Gonna buy a new .380 today Bersa or Walther?


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SgtCuts
September 3, 2010, 05:59 AM
Ok as the title says I am going to be purchasing a new .380ACP pistol today and I am stuck on the fence with both the Walther PK380 and the Bersa Thunder 380. Both feel good in my hands but I am having trouble deciding which to get please help.

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The Sarge
September 3, 2010, 06:21 AM
I have worked on many Walthers (jam/FTF) and have nothing but perfect operational service from the Bersa's. YMMV but I am just sharing my personal experience.

harmon rabb
September 3, 2010, 06:27 AM
Same gun, only the Bersa is cheaper and has a better trigger.

edit: i'm a dumbass. i thought you said PPK. nevermind. move along. nothing to see here.

PRM
September 3, 2010, 06:28 AM
Don't know much about the Walther PK380. They seem reasonable enough in price. I have owned 5 of the Walther PP series pistols over the years and currently own a Manurhin Walther PP in 32 and an Interarms Walther PPK/S in 32. Almost forgot the Walther P38. Guess what I am saying is, I have always been satisfied with the Walther brand. They make some great firearms.

Havn't heard any real negatives on the Bersa either. I have a few friends who own them and really like them.

Guess it comes down to what you like the best. If its for CC, I would critically look at both guns side by side and see which meets your needs and style of carry best. I don't agree that they are basically the same. The Bersa may be a close runner to the PP series, but the PK380 is a totally different gun.

You will probably be happy with either.

I heard a story one time about a guy on a trip who liked ice cream. About halfway through his trip there was a Dairy Queen in one of the towns he would pass through. He said when he left, he started thinking about a vanilla malt. He really liked them. A little further into his trip, he began thinking about chocolate malts, "boy are they good." By the time he arrived at the Dairy Queen, he had convinced himself that if it were not meant for him to have one of each flavor ~ then they should not offer them that way. He bought one of each.

Guess you could buy both...

45Fan
September 3, 2010, 06:55 AM
The pk380 is a wonderful gun, as long as the right ammm is used. My wifes shot S&B hardball OK, but federal, remington, and armscorp was less than stellar in performance. I started realoading practice ammo, using berrys plated HBRN 100 gr, over 3.1gr universal clays, and it seems to be smooth sailing in that pistol. Hollowpoint ammo I have yet to find anything that hasnt fed in it just fine.

The Bersa Thunder I have not had the pleasure to shoot, but I have shot the ppk/ppks, I believe they are very simmilar in size/ pattern, and comarativly, the PK380 is a MUCH softer recoiling pistol.
If I were looking at the same pair, I would look at what you intend to use it for, the PK380 is a bit bulkier than the Bersa, might be a little more difficult to conceal. Holsters for the bersa may be a little easier to find.
Heard lots of good about both, so might be PRM is on to something, you could always just get both.

wow6599
September 3, 2010, 07:13 AM
Dollar for dollar, you can't beat a Bersa Thunder.
I had the same decision to make for my wife.....I'm glad I saved the $ and got the Bersa.
YMMV

AirForceShooter
September 3, 2010, 08:55 AM
Hands down the Bersa

AFS

MikeNice
September 3, 2010, 09:36 AM
The Bersa is a good gun. I have shot about nine rounds through my dad's. It feels good in the hand and seems to do everything well. The only down side is that around 800 - 900 rounds he had to send it to get the frame refinished. The slide had worn a a small bit of the finish off. It was only the size of a pinky nail.

As some one pointed out to me though, if left untreated that could lead to gouging the frame.

I haven't shot the Walther PK380, but I want to pretty badly. It is the single most comfortable gun I have ever held. To me it was like a nice warm handshake.

ExLipscombChief
September 3, 2010, 09:41 AM
The Bersa. Under $300, ultra reliable, great warranty and very concealable. I prefer my Colt Government 380, but those are scarce on the used market.

Aahzz
September 3, 2010, 09:59 AM
My wife's Bersa has been nothing but a joy - shoots everything we feed it, accurate, comfortable - can't recommend it highly enough.

kokapelli
September 3, 2010, 10:31 AM
Same gun, only the Bersa is cheaper and has a better trigger.
Ditto!

HexHead
September 3, 2010, 10:37 AM
If you're going to carry, the Bersa may be easier to conceal.

aaronspuler
September 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
Can't comment on the Walther but I have a Bersa and love it.

Just One Shot
September 3, 2010, 10:59 AM
Bersa.

Inexpensive, reliable and if it was like mine it will eat anything you feed it.

Ben86
September 3, 2010, 12:12 PM
I have shot the Bersa. It was a friend's that he was shooting for the first time, and it had a few FTEs, but was probably just breaking in. The gun was pleasant to shoot and satisfactorily accurate. I admit it was refreshing to shoot .380 in a gun with a full grip, as opposed to my lcp. I'd like to pick one up myself personally, that way I can play 007 at the range. :cool:

searcher451
September 3, 2010, 12:17 PM
Sorry to bend the tide here, but the Walther is the only way to travel, so long as you get a German- or French-made version. IMO, you can't top them for overall craftsmanship and quality and pride of ownership.

chez323
September 3, 2010, 01:03 PM
Walther all the way! I've shot 2 different Bersa 380's and both were just about worthless. They would jam every other clip, regardless of the ammo type/manufacturer. Never had a Walther jam on me, I've owned a P99, a PPS and I've shot a friends ppk.......... but thats just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like. : )

BP Hunter
September 3, 2010, 01:14 PM
Bersa all the way!!!

It feels perfect in my hand, points naturally, is very accurate, light to carry, and worth every penny....28000 pennies worth!

kokapelli
September 3, 2010, 01:16 PM
Walther all the way! I've shot 2 different Bersa 380's and both were just about worthless. They would jam every other clip, regardless of the ammo type/manufacturer. Never had a Walther jam on me, I've owned a P99, a PPS and I've shot a friends ppk.......... but thats just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like. : )
Clearly your problem with the Bersa was you were using "clips" and the Bersa takes magazines.:)

My two Bersas have never had a failure of any kind but I can't say that about the Walther I used to own.

TheGent
September 11, 2010, 05:01 PM
I shot all three of mine this week. Bersa Thunder .380, Walther ppk/s and Walther PK380. Never had a problem using different ammo in either of these. I have used reloads, Blazer, Magtech, Independence and the list goes on. I did have a jam on the Bersa the first time shot on the last round, but after that - nada. The Bersa Thunder and PK380 are both very comfortable. Bersa = Adj. rear sight. Fixed on the PK380, but if you get to know it well your good to go. I shoot right between the eyes at 25 yards, dead on with both guns. Accuracy is pretty much the same. 7+1 on the Bersa. 8+1 on the PK380. Each come with one clip only. The Thunder .380 is about the size of the Walther PP. There is a CC version of the Bersa as well. The also sell mags with extensions. I paid $240 for my Bersa new and $350 for the Walther new. My PPK/S was a couple hundred more. I'd recommend the Bersa. Reason being that it's a great .380 to start on. Easily replaced if lost or stolen and the quality is top notch. My girlfriend learned on this gun too.

sidheshooter
September 11, 2010, 05:12 PM
My own Bersa thunder was a POS.

That said, I am clearly in the minority on that; hundreds of positive posts indicate that mine was a fluke.

I'd therefore say Bersa-great trigger, cheap, real controls (slide lock), good holsters available (including my own comptac IWB, fwiw) easy to find after market mags, cool grips available... Etc.

NMGonzo
September 11, 2010, 05:28 PM
This is my third Bersa, I had the .22, the .32, and now the .380

50% of the time i find myself grabbing the gun from the safe because it fits so nice, and I can hit all I need to hit with it.

Robert101
September 11, 2010, 06:23 PM
Bersa was my choice. I bought one for my daughter and the gun runs just fine. I'm thinking of getting one for limited carry as the small frame is so easily concealed.

Average Joe
September 12, 2010, 01:57 PM
Bersa

bugoy1
September 12, 2010, 02:09 PM
I hate to pile on, but I also vote Bersa.
I have had nothing but good experiences with Bersa.

Jonah71
September 14, 2010, 05:34 PM
I've complained about my Bersa thunder .380 Deluxe for about a year. Last week I tried a new mag. No more complaints. The original mag was faulty to begin with. Too bad I wasn't smart enough to replace it earlier. Shot another 100 rounds last sunday with no problems.

Ledgehammer
September 14, 2010, 06:09 PM
I used to own the pk380. I don't know how to say it but it just didn't feel like quality to me. The take down screw thing was a pain and you need a special tool for it. Also the barrel had significant peening after just one range session. It shot good enough but I just felt like I could find something a little more solid for the money. I like the bersas they have good weight and don't feel like a toy as much as the pk. Good luck.

WardenWolf
September 14, 2010, 06:39 PM
I'd say neither, but that's me. Get a Polish P-64. It's cheaper and better. The round is more powerful, less expensive, easier to find, and the gun is smaller than the Bersa but the same weight. The Bersa's trigger is just awful. Very heavy and very long. People complain about the stock P-64 trigger weight, but the Bersa takes the cake.

WRGADog
September 14, 2010, 10:25 PM
Beretta 84F slightly larger but great gun. If too large, I would go with the Walther.

Big Bill
September 15, 2010, 12:43 AM
Read this article by Jeff Quinn at Gunblast (In this same article, he also talks about the Bersa Thunder.).

Walther PK380 Semi-Automatic .380 ACP Pistol

http://www.gunblast.com/Walther-PK380.htm

GLOOB
September 15, 2010, 12:54 AM
The Bersa's trigger is just awful. Very heavy and very long. People complain about the stock P-64 trigger weight, but the Bersa takes the cake.
WardenWolf, you handled a bad example. That's the only explanation.

According to Gunblast.com
"The Bersa has one of the best double-action trigger pulls on the market, measuring a smooth seven pounds, five ounces on this sample gun. The single action pull measures four pounds, five ounces. "

According to the unofficial P64 forums, the P64 DA trigger is 25-27lbs.

You're entitled to your opinions, but comparing the trigger pull on these 2 guns does not even begin to make any sense. The words don't even belong in the same sentence.

OP: I have never handled the Walther PK380, but my impression was that it was like the SIG Mosquito and Walther P22: a fun gun made to look like a combat gun by using investment casting of cheap alloys. I wouldn't have even considered one for defense. The only problem I've had with the Bersa is with a certain batch of S&B. It jammed even while loading the mags.

MaterDei
September 15, 2010, 01:22 AM
I wonder how many people voting for Bersa even own the Walther. I don't own a Walther but I do own the Bersa and agree with the others here.

Go with the Bersa. :P

Big Bill
September 15, 2010, 01:35 AM
I've owned a Bersa Thunder 380 and my advice is to go with the Walther. The Bersa is a cheap gun that WILL let you down.

R.Ph. 380
September 15, 2010, 11:21 PM
Buy the Bersa. If you really want to spend 450.00 like the Walther, then buy 2 Bersas. Have a whole lot of $$$$'s left over for ammo.

MedWheeler
September 17, 2010, 11:20 PM
I've owned a PPK/S (not the PK380.) I liked it at the time, for what I bought it for. That was a long time ago, and it has since gone by the wayside.
Currently, I own a Bersa Thunder, and could not be more pleased with it. It has readily digested every round I've put through it, including stuff from 2 to 20 years old, mixed up in the mags. As I've said before, if ammo for it was as plentiful and inexpensive as 22LR ammo is, this would be my most enjoyable gun to shoot. It was my EDC until I came across a good deal on a Kel-Tec PF9.
Now, all that being said, you said you were buying the gun "today" when you posted, and that was two weeks ago. So, which way did you go?

Stevie-Ray
September 17, 2010, 11:48 PM
I don't have either, but think very highly of the Bersas.

Jonah71
September 19, 2010, 10:00 AM
I'm not advising anyone to pick one gun over another. Just relating my personal experiance with my Bersa. It is not one of my carry guns. But it sure is fun to shoot.

eddbrowne
September 25, 2010, 01:40 AM
http://s849.photobucket.com/albums/ab58/eddbrowne/

http://twitpic.com/photos/eddbrowne

REAPER4206969
September 25, 2010, 02:01 AM
I have no experience with either, but I would take the Bersa.

REAPER4206969
September 25, 2010, 02:40 AM
I like this one:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/bersa/bersa_thun_380_da.jpg

MolleMan
September 25, 2010, 08:41 AM
I not so long ago purchased my own bersa thunder ultra compact 9 for $299 and its my daily carry, it rides on my hip in a paddle holster and in the glove box of my pick-up and no wear marks at all yet. as far as reliabilty never had problems here, and i use the cheapest ammo i can find. on the plus side the bersa 380 i've noticed has alot more aftermarket options available.

i've played with walther and like someone said it feels like a warm handshake.

eddbrowne
September 25, 2010, 07:02 PM
For a defensive gun, there are to main specs:

1. Must fire when needed.

2. See spec 1.

harmon rabb
September 25, 2010, 07:11 PM
I have both the PK380 and the Bersa Thunder. I personally like the PK380 better. Fits nicer in the hand, and I'm pretty darn accurate with it. The Bersa isn't a bad gun either. Honestly, you can't go wrong with either of them.

I finally got my wife to come out to the range today (she just isn't that into shooting, and hasn't been in a while). I brought both of them, because both were purchased with her in mind. She ended up shooting the Bersa MUCH better than the PK380. I have no clue why, and she can't explain why either, but when switching back and forth between them, she was consistently much better with the Bersa.

Hanzo581
September 25, 2010, 07:24 PM
Bersa, can't beat the price and the reliability. Only had a couple FTFs but came to find out it was only grip related as my Mother in law and wife can sometimes limp wrist.

kludge
September 25, 2010, 08:42 PM
My Bersa has been perfect. I teach NRA Pistol, and none of the student have ever had a malfunction either.

I have not shot the PK380.

TexasGunbie
September 25, 2010, 09:31 PM
the Bersa I had was a jammer but it has a great trigger though. If money is not an issue, try the Walther just for fun, you might like it!

I hate the BIG LOGO on the side of the Walther though...

MICHAEL T
September 25, 2010, 10:50 PM
He bought a Bersa and is a member of http://bersachat.com

I bought the Bersa because the PPK/S hurt web of my hand to shoot Bersa little wider and doesn't hurt to shoot. Bersa has better trigger than PPK/S also. never tried the new
PK 380 to ugly

flbadger
September 26, 2010, 08:32 AM
I bought a .380 Bersa about a year ago. Its a great well built gun. I paid
(new) ($269.00) - It feels solid and just fine CCW - I reload and know that the velocity isn't far off from the 9MM. I choose this gun over paying more than Twice as much for a SIG. This is a great gun and as good as the
High $ Priced German SIG. -

harmon rabb
September 27, 2010, 06:22 AM
never tried the new
PK 380 to ugly

lol. it ain't the prettiest gun in the world, but it has great ergonomics and is a great shooter.

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