Is the new Smith&Wesson SD9 and SD40 same as Sigmas?


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sharpshooter74
September 4, 2010, 01:06 PM
I'm a current owner of the Sigma SW40VE. I love the gun. And seeing how the new SD40 looks, are these the same as the Sigmas, or a total improvement? I'm excited about buying one. What's your thought on it?

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meytind
September 4, 2010, 01:17 PM
It's basically a sigma with a tritium front sight and a trigger closer to that of the M&P.

Skylerbone
September 4, 2010, 01:29 PM
The Self-Defense series is more akin to the M&P line up both in looks and fire controls. The trigger will still require work to be descent on either but why not spring for an M&P? They have a $50 rebate which brings the difference (retail pricing) to within $80 and provides aftermarket support for the platform.

Unless you're looking for a nitestand only pistol (the SDs have a front tritium dot) you'll be better off with the M&P. The difference in holster cost alone may eat up the savings and I've yet to see one available for the SD.

The M&P also provides you with three barrel length options and in some cases (the 40 cal) aftermarket caliber conversion barrels to shoot .357Sig or 9mm.

JTQ
September 4, 2010, 05:49 PM
The Self-Defense series is more akin to the M&P line up both in looks and fire controls.
Not true.

The SD pistols are basically improved Sigmas. I think that is good. The biggest nocks against the Sigma has been the proprietary rail and heavy trigger. The SD fixes both of those problems. If you like the Sigma, you should like the SD even more.

I do believe the M&P is a better pistol, but that takes nothing away from the Sigma/SD.

Full Metal Jacket
September 4, 2010, 05:56 PM
I'm a current owner of the Sigma SW40VE. I love the gun.

:eek:

Full Metal Jacket
September 4, 2010, 05:57 PM
The Self-Defense series is more akin to the M&P line up both in looks and fire controls.

the SD is basically a sigma with a 25lb trigger pull, instead of a 50lb one.

Kymasabe
September 4, 2010, 06:35 PM
I've had all three guns side-by-side and my observation is this: If you like the ergos' of the Sigma, you'll feel right at home with the SD. Grip angle and feel is very similar. However, when you look at the slides of all three guns, the slide on the SD is very similar to that of the M&P. To me, the SD looks like the mutant offspring of some kind of unholy union of Sigma and M&P. The good news is, the trigger is much improved over that of the Sigma and that ridiculous Sigma-only rail is gone and new standard accessory rail in place.
Now, keep in mind, trigger is not as good as the M&P. Like the rest of the gun, lands somewhere between Sigma and M&P. Price point also lands somewhere between but, is only $100 or so from M&P pricing after the $50 rebate currently offered.
If you have and like a Sigma (you should have you head examined), you'll really like the SD line.

Buck Snort
September 4, 2010, 10:18 PM
If you have and like liver cancer.....................!

Kingofthehill
September 4, 2010, 11:04 PM
It's basically a sigma with a tritium front sight and a trigger closer to that of the M&P.

NO....

i wish people would either have first hand experience before spouting off.

Its closer to the M&P than the Sigma. I own one and its got a couple thousand through it so far. The gun is a great bang for the buck and very comfortable to shoot. It is very smooth and feels great. Accuracy is on par with the M&P and the tritium sight is a nice bonus IMO.

Its priced very well and falls into a category that puts it against the Sig 2022, Sig P250, Sigma, p95, SR9 and its nicer than all of those. And for a reference, i own every one of those listed as well.

People need to give it an honest shot before bringing in this hate for the S&W Sigma to sway their decisions. Everyone is so quick to judge and just spout off from the mouth before they even fire one let alone pick one up.

JOe

breacher
September 5, 2010, 03:46 PM
I've handled and dry fired a couple and the triggers felt the same as a stock Sigma to me (I own one). I really couldn't feel any relation to the M&P with regards to the trigger. (I own a M&P)

That being said- I found it very easy to improve the trigger on my Sigma by removing the pigtail and outer spring on the dual spring setup. Is this also possible on the SD models?

basicblur
September 5, 2010, 07:09 PM
the SD is basically a sigma with a 25lb trigger pull, instead of a 50lb one.
This sounds like outstanding news to those of us that believe "A light trigger pull is, more than anything else, a crutch for bad trigger technique". :D
Fer a SD gun, the Sigma trigger's not nearly as bad as folks make it out to be.
I just retired my 12+ year old Sigma bed gun for an SP2022. One in the plus column for the SP2022 was its 12-lb DA trigger pull-great for dry fire practice and maintaining trigger control proficiency.

Mebbe everybody should haff to learn to shoot with DA revolvers? :rolleyes:

Skylerbone
September 5, 2010, 11:03 PM
Maybe the govt. will step in and put a 100 lb. trigger on every gun to render them useless. Those who think heavy DA style triggers translate into great training tools for propper technique aren't listening to the experts. The sole reason for a heavy stock trigger is a false sense of security provided to LE agencies. They get cops killed, they discourage new shooters and they have nothing to do with safety.

Deciding when to fire, leaving your finger off the TRIGGER until your target is acquired and hitting what you aim at. All gun safety revolves around the shooter. Any pistol that inhibits the ability to perform these functions should be fixed.

writerinmo
September 6, 2010, 01:49 AM
I have both the SW40VE and the SD40. I prefer the SD slightly, but enjoy shooting both of them. My SW40 has a trigger pull of 8 pounds, but it was smoothed out by Frank at LSG under warranty work for another unrelated problem. I have shot a lot of DA revolvers over the years which might explain why I don't understand everyone whining about the trigger pull other than the fact that it doesn't break like their SIG, or P95 or whatever pistol they are comparing it to. Fact is, it wasn't designed to be like them for several reasons, the biggest is the lack of manual safeties on the thing. They are just like any other firearm and have their own characteristics that the shooter has to adjust to. If you don't like the trigger pull on the Sigma, then stay away from most of the DAO pistols on the market too... they are right up there with them.

Gunz
September 6, 2010, 02:13 PM
My SW40VE has been a constant trail companion since they were selling for $275 or so. Heavy trigger is fine for me. I like the fact that it is no different than the massive trigger pull on my 640 Centennial, except I have 14 rounds in the mag. The SW40VE and its SW9VE brother can get insulted years to come, but they have been good solid pistols for me. I can get all my shots in an 8 inch paper plate at 15 yds/75 feet, and that is good enough of a defensive role fo rme. The 40Ve allows me to use up to 180gr ammo for penetration, and the lighter 115gr/124gr brother give me a couple of extra rounds.

I do plan to buy an SD9, though. That is a lighter slide, it seems.

Do the 40VE/9VE mags work in the new SD line? I heard some say it will, and some say it is not supposed to. Owner Test-results appreciated.

MolleMan
September 6, 2010, 10:27 PM
around my area the sigma sells for $319, how much different in the price range for the SD?

basicblur
September 6, 2010, 10:59 PM
The sole reason for a heavy stock trigger is a false sense of security provided to LE agencies. They get cops killed...
Hmmm...let me get back to ya on that one-I just gotta Google Sigma Leg and Glock Leg and do some reading... :uhoh:

...they have nothing to do with safety.
Hmmm...mebbe I missed something first time around on those Google searches? :rolleyes:

GLOOB
September 8, 2010, 12:24 AM
And butter knives are safer than steak knives.

The guns involved in "Glock-leg" incidents should be praised for working as expected. They fired when the trigger was pulled - no more, no less.

That's not so say that some people shouldn't be trusted with Glocks. But there are also some people that shouldn't be trusted with steak knives.

GLOOB
September 8, 2010, 12:31 AM
aas

basicblur
September 8, 2010, 12:55 AM
That's not so say that some people shouldn't be trusted with Glocks
So very true-the sad thing is they're usually the last to know! :D

Thaddeus Jones
September 8, 2010, 10:18 AM
Sigma 2.0 IMO

At least the price point is near what a S&W tupperware pistol should cost. Unlike the M&P.

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