Sig P6 or Ruger SR9C?


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Olympus
September 4, 2010, 10:16 PM
I'm thinking about buying a new gun and needed some opinions. I've been considering getting a new Ruger SC9C for a conceal carry that is still enjoyable to take a trip to the range with. I pretty much had my mind made up until I went to the range today with my father in law and he showed me his Sig P6 with some custom grips. Never been a fan of the feel of Sigs, but this single stack was a lot more comfortable. And it was really a dream to shoot! I'm worried though that a P6 might be a little bit too big and heavy for concealing though. Thoughts?

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Carter
September 4, 2010, 11:29 PM
I love my SR9c. Never handled a Sig P6 though, so I can't comment on it.

My ruger doubles as my carry gun and range gun (only one handgun right now) and it does perfectly. Its groups are just as tight as my friend's 1911.


I only wish that it didn't have that darn loaded chamber indicator.

Kymasabe
September 4, 2010, 11:34 PM
I've owned a few Sigs and while the P6 is a nice gun, I chose the SR9c instead. The Ruger is lighter and with the carry mag, holds 10+1 while the single stack Sig is 8+1.
Ruger has the advantage of a 17 round mag with sleeve for range or home defense use. Ruger also has windage and elevation adjustable sights. I loved every Sig I owned, with the exception of the P250, but with money being tight these days and only capable of buying one gun right now, I went with the SR9c and haven't looked back. It's been a great gun, easy to shoot, and reliable.

bannockburn
September 5, 2010, 12:26 AM
Olympus

Also you might want to keep in mind that the SIG P6 is a DA first shot, SA all others after that. It uses a decocker to reset the action to DA mode. The SR9c uses a firing system more like that found on a Glock; a "safe-action" type trigger with an additional frame mounted safety. Kymasabe is also correct in that the P6 carries fewer rounds in it's mag while the SR9c comes with both a 10 round and a 17 round mag. Without having a P6 I couldn't comment on a relative size comparison, but I would venture to guess that the SR9c is slightly smaller and perhaps more concealable than the SIG.

Dionysusigma
September 5, 2010, 03:31 AM
I currently carry a Sig P6. It's the best pistol I've ever owned as far as comfort, accuracy, and reliability, but lately I've been looking for something smaller and lighter for CCW.

19-3Ben
September 5, 2010, 08:24 AM
SR9c without a question.

It's lighter, smaller, holds more ammo, and is more likely to work with hollow-points.

Oh, and they are every bit as well made and solid as M&P, Glock, XD, FHN-P, etc...

The detractors would like you believe they are not up to the level of their more expensive competition. Having held and shot both, yes they are. Same quality, $100-$150 lower price-tag.

Olympus
September 5, 2010, 08:32 AM
Thanks for the input everybody. I have taken the mag capacity into consideration. I really like the adustable sights on the SR9C. However, I've just never been a big fan of polymer frame pistols.

As for carrying, whatever I end up getting, I'm going to buy the Crossbreed Supertuck. I've just been hearing too many good things about these holsters to not buy one.

Mike J
September 5, 2010, 08:49 AM
I would think you should definitely check into whether or not the P6 will reliably cycle hollow points before you purchase. Just something to consider.

Olympus
September 5, 2010, 11:00 AM
I know my father in law's will feed the hollow points. But from what I've read, some do and some don't. There's really no way of knowing until you buy you and try it out. The FIL has no interest in selling his...already tried that.

Mike J
September 5, 2010, 11:29 AM
I wonder if your odds of hollowpoints cycling would be better with a 225 (I believe it was the commercial version of the P6). You might look around for a used one. I saw one at a gun show a couple of years ago ( about the time the P6's were coming in pretty heavy. The guy offered to sell it to me for $275 but I didn't really need it so I passed. Sometime I think I should have snapped that one up.

Almond27
September 5, 2010, 04:40 PM
SR9c would be my choice not a big fan of Sig p6 at all

Lateck
September 5, 2010, 04:58 PM
I own a SIG P229 and the SR9c.
The SR9c is beat for carry. I found the SR9c to be the best gun I have shot right out of the box. :D
My SIG (s) are finer finished but I am looking at a SR9 to go with the "c".
I think both are good, but the little c for the price is great.
The frame is a none issue to me and I do like having the safety.

Lateck,

atomd
September 5, 2010, 05:12 PM
You can replace the P6's barrel with a 225 barrel if you want. For strictly ccw I'd get the SR9C though.

Olympus
September 5, 2010, 05:18 PM
Went to pull the trigger on the SR9C this afternoon. Local gun show wouldn't come down off $420 and I was at $400 cash. Other shops are selling for $399.99, they just don't have any in stock. I just can't reason paying $20 more so I can have it right now instead of ordering the gun from another shop and just waiting a couple days.

I still plan on buying a P6 though. The FIL decided to tease me a little and sent his gun home with me to "play" with for a few months. Maybe I'll post some pictures. Everybody likes pictures....

meef
September 5, 2010, 06:17 PM
Other shops are selling for $399.99, they just don't have any in stock.:D:D

Hey, I'll make you an even better deal.

I'll sell you one for $199.99.


Of course, there's the minor issue of the fact that I don't have one.


But my price.... it's great!

Olympus
September 5, 2010, 07:06 PM
If you can order one and have it in two days, sounds like a deal!

I guess the point I was trying to make was pay an extra $20 so I can have it right now or save $20 and wait a couple days for another shop to order it.

Here's the P6...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9050013.jpg


http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9050015.jpg

bannockburn
September 5, 2010, 09:06 PM
Olympus

Nice looking grips on your F-I-L's SIG P6. I picked up a SR9c a couple of weeks ago and I'm very pleased with it. Fits my hand perfectly (I even went with the flat mag base plate for better concealment), has great balance and ergonomics, and I like the manual safety on the frame. And the gun just seems to point naturally for me with the sights coming up quickly right on my line of sight. Overall a very nicely designed and constructed pistol for CCW.

hirundo82
September 5, 2010, 09:21 PM
I know my father in law's will feed the hollow points. But from what I've read, some do and some don't.
Later guns are supposed to feed hollowpoints better; apparently the feed ramp was changed part way through production (from what I can tell they were made from the late 1970's through about 1995). That's not a given though--my stock 1982 production gun feeds all the hollowpoints I have fed it, and your FIL's is earlier than mine (1979 from the date on the slide).

The P6 is big for what you get from it. I don't carry mine; it is about the same size as my Glock 19 with only a little more than half the capacity. I'm also not a big fan of DA/SA triggers, which is something the Ruger has going for it.

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 09:32 AM
I'll be sure and post some pics of the SR9C when it comes in. I'm going to order it this morning, probably.

CTGunner
September 6, 2010, 11:01 AM
http://www.hoffgun.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=H&Category_Code=FEAT

They have it for $399. I have never known them not to have what they advertise in stock.

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 11:09 AM
I've got a local shop selling them from that price and that's where I'm going to try to order from. It seems me the FFL transfer fee. But thanks for the link!

wildboar
September 6, 2010, 11:14 AM
If you are worried about $20 and looking in the $399 price range, isn't the Sig P225 a little out of question? Unless your fatherinlaw is selling you his for $400?

ABTOMAT
September 6, 2010, 11:27 AM
If you are worried about $20 and looking in the $399 price range, isn't the Sig P225 a little out of question?

That's a P6, not a 225. You can get those for $350 all day long.

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 11:58 AM
That's a P6, not a 225. You can get those for $350 all day long.

Ditto...you beat me to it.

gordy
September 6, 2010, 03:52 PM
I have a sig p6 and I have shot the ruger sr9c and the sr9
You cant compare the two. Hands down the sig is a much nicer auto.
Yes the ruger holds more ammo, If you need to have more ammo then you need to practice more. 8 shots is all you need to get you threw the day. Mags can be hard to find for the sig. But you can't beat the sig for looks and working right when you want. Polish the ramp and it will feed hollowpoints.
And its a sig, no ruger can say that.
I carry the p6 alot of the time and if I can't I carry a S&W 642.
BUY THE SIG!

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 05:17 PM
I still plan on buying the Sig at some point. But I'm just afraid I'll buy it and it be too bulky and heavy and I won't want to carry it. I'm not worried about the mag capacity. 8+1 is more than enough for me to feel comfortable. But the extra two rounds that the Ruger holds I don't think will bring it up to the same weight as the Sig. And I wear a lot of khakis and dress pants to work and I'm afraid it will be harder to hide a heavier pistol in situations like that.

harmon rabb
September 6, 2010, 06:10 PM
As for carrying, whatever I end up getting, I'm going to buy the Crossbreed Supertuck. I've just been hearing too many good things about these holsters to not buy one.

Don't believe the hype. I fell for it, and wasted $70+. I have a Crossbreed for my G27. It sucks. It's a pain to get on, is actually fairly uncomfortable to wear, and positions the gun too high to conceal it that well. The one nice thing I can say about it is that it is quick to draw from.

I suppose it would distribute the weight of the gun better if you only used a regular belt... but why are you using a regular belt? Get a real gun belt. If you haven't used one, the difference is astonishing. With a real gun belt, the weight of the gun you carry just doesn't matter. Nothing feels heavy.

My cheapie dun hume holster hides my G27 better, is easier to get on, and is more comfortable.

Don't buy into the hype. Spend that money on a real gun belt if you don't have one. That's a far better purchase.

ABTOMAT
September 6, 2010, 06:21 PM
If you want something slimmer and more modern than a 225, how about a Smith 3914 or 908?

Carter
September 6, 2010, 06:26 PM
Don't believe the hype. I fell for it, and wasted $70+. I have a Crossbreed for my G27. It sucks. It's a pain to get on, is actually fairly uncomfortable to wear, and positions the gun too high to conceal it that well. The one nice thing I can say about it is that it is quick to draw from.

I find mine extremely comfortable. Its not too hard to get on either. Now if you're wearing tight pants it is, but then again tight pants are a bad idea for carrying. For a holster I would recommend no other than the crossbreed supertuck.


Polish the ramp and it will feed hollowpoints.
And its a sig, no ruger can say that.

With the ruger you don't have to polish the feed ramps. It feeds anything and everything all day long right out of the box. Plus, Sigs reputation isn't that good now-a-days from what I hear.


The SR9c holds ten rounds in a nice slim and short frame. Sigs are bulky, and with that extra bulk you lose two rounds. Now in real world events 2 rounds might not make a difference, but I like to have them.

harmon rabb
September 6, 2010, 06:45 PM
Carter, we will have to agree to disagree. I am not wearing "skinny" jeans though. Lol. I'd shoot myself first.

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 06:50 PM
If you want something slimmer and more modern than a 225, how about a Smith 3914 or 908?


I'm not a fan of Smith autos. I really don't care about more modern. The weight will be the biggest deterent for me. If it's too heavy, I just tend to leave it in the truck....

rellascout
September 6, 2010, 06:59 PM
Honestly Sig P6/P225 vs a Ruger auto? Seriously?

Carter
September 6, 2010, 07:04 PM
Carter, we will have to agree to disagree. I am not wearing "skinny" jeans though. Lol. I'd shoot myself first.

Haha. I would hope not.

I'm almost tempted to make that my signature line. Priceless.

rellascout
September 6, 2010, 07:06 PM
Honestly Sig P6/P225 vs a Ruger auto? Seriously?

The P225/P6 is a example of KISS in a world of hi-cap, super fantastic plastic wonder 9mms. It is a perfectly balanced, perfectly pointable, perfectly shootable, perfectly reliable and perfectly concealable 9mm. IMHO it is one of the best Sigs ever made.

People are so concerned about capacity. Train properly.. hit what you point at and you will be fine. In 99% of self defense CCW situations 8+1 is going to get the job done.

Good luck with the Ruger. I hope it serves you well.

http://www.imageviper.com/displayimage/97990/0/new_p225b.JPG

Carter
September 6, 2010, 07:10 PM
Good luck with the Ruger. I hope it serves you well.

Mine does. For a little cheaper than its counterparts.


Sigs are good pistols. However, I think they are overpriced. Plus I've heard far too many horror stories about their customer service.

With ruger you can all but beat your firearm with a hammer till it breaks and they'll still fix it for you free of charge...usually.

rellascout
September 6, 2010, 07:13 PM
Mine does. For a little cheaper than its counterparts.


Sigs are good pistols. However, I think they are overpriced. Plus I've heard far too many horror stories about their customer service.

With ruger you can all but beat your firearm with a hammer till it breaks and they'll still fix it for you free of charge...usually.

You do realize that most people do not beat their gun with a hammer. You also realize that a Sig P6 which is what the OP is talking about is a proven design which has been field tested for decades vs your Ruger SR9C which is a derivative pistol from a design that failed right out of the gate. Remember the SR9 was subject to recall.

A P6 can be had for $350 to $400.... Is that pricey? The P6 which the OP is looking at has nothing to do with Sigs current issues. It was produced and put into service during the height of Sig reliability in production and is one of the service pistols that built the original Sig reputation. People if you don't know your past then you don't know your future. The P225/P6 is one of the rock solid foundations of the P series line which the Sig name was built on. It is not some johnny come lately "cohen" Sig.

I will take a P6 over a NIB Ruger everyday of the week. YMMV. Good luck with that Ruger.

Carter
September 6, 2010, 07:22 PM
You do realize that most people do not beat their gun with a hammer.

That was SARCASIM. The point is they stand buy their product no matter what happens to it.

A P6 can be had for $350 to $400.... Is that pricey?
I was refering to SIG's other handguns. I already stated I don't have any experience with the P6.

Yes the SR9 line had problems in the beginning. Almost every new line of pistol has problems. Certain Sig platforms have been terrible. Ruger has fixed the problems with their ruger. Now I'm not saying its a superior firearm. Its an economical choice that is very reliable, accurate, and has capacity going for it in a nice slim package. Consistant trigger, no DA to SA.

I wouldn't mine carrying a Sig later in life when I have the money for a 226 or 229. But out of the options the OP gave, I'll take my Ruger. I'm not going to damn a firearm because of bias against a company. If it performs I'll use it. And I do quite effectively.

rellascout
September 6, 2010, 07:27 PM
Currently you can get a Sp2022 for $400 NIB. If you know where to look NIB Sig are $650.

Look at my profile and my posts. I am not a fanboy of the current Sig management. I cannot stand what "Cohen" and his management group has done to Sig.

The P250 is a POS. The P238 POS. However, when you are talking about the classic P series Sigs built in W. Germany you will be hard pressed to find a better made gun.

IMHO they put the current offerings by Ruger to shame. I have no problem with Ruger. I think that they build reliable guns. I find them crude and inelegant. They look like tanks and run like tanks but they are not refined IMHO. YMMV

Carter
September 6, 2010, 07:35 PM
IMHO they put the current offerings by Ruger to shame.

I'm glad you are confident with your chosen weapon. After all thats what is all about.

Maybe one day I'll get to try one.
Care to send it to me for a review? Lol :rolleyes:

rellascout
September 6, 2010, 07:36 PM
I don't get down to NC much these days but maybe.... LOL

P.S. I don't carry a P225 anymore... I prefer a 1911. DW CBOB

Olympus
September 6, 2010, 09:18 PM
I'm fully versed in the differences between the two guns. When we digress into overall trends and this model is better than that model, and general company reputations, frankly I lose interest.

I'm not a noob to handguns. I just wanted to get people's opinions regarding concealing for both of the models I listed. A lot of good opinions have been expressed and I appreciate all the input. But brand wars are irrelevant and not something I care to participate in.

Carter
September 6, 2010, 09:34 PM
I'm not a noob to handguns. I just wanted to get people's opinions regarding concealing for both of the models I listed. A lot of good opinions have been expressed and I appreciate all the input. But brand wars are irrelevant and not something I care to participate in.

My apollogies.
Hope you got enough information though.

ohwell
September 6, 2010, 09:40 PM
Get the gun you feel number 1 will be the most reliable I have the SR9C and I think its rock solid . I have no idea what the sig costs but the other part of a carry gun is use one that wont break the bank if you lose it because thats normally what happens if you have to use it. I have both a Comp Tac MTAC for my SR9C and a CTAC for my SP101 I actually like the CTAC better but not by much, they are both great holsters and the Cant and ride height are both adjustable.

meef
September 7, 2010, 12:04 AM
Here's my $.02.....

I like Sigs.

My first one was Browning BDA .45 that I bought in 1980. I competed with it in the early '80s in IPSC, and I had a satisfying degree of success. I still have that pistol and its still one of my favorites.

I bought a P225 in like new condition a couple of years ago. It worked fine, but all in all it just didn't move me. Can't really say why, other than it felt bland. Go figure. And remember, I like Sigs. I sold it.

Last Thursday I bought a new SR9c. Earlier this afternoon I took it to the range for evaluation.

Ran about 100 rounds through it. Nary a stumble. Accurate beyond my hopeful expectations. Shot some hot stuff through it, the recoil was surprisingly mild.

All in all, I really liked it - and I'm picky.

The holster I got for it rides nice and flat, comfortable to the point of forgetting it's there. It's a Galco Stinger for the XD 9/40 3". Fits like it was made for it.

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=3581&GunID=273

That's my input.

YMMV.

Olympus
September 7, 2010, 08:48 AM
Thanks for the input. I was going to order the Ruger yesterday but I forgot it was a holiday, so no NICS checks for new guns. I'm going to head out there this morning when they open and put one on order. Like I said, I'm still really impressed with the Sig. It's a great gun for not a lot of money. But I just have a feeling that I wouldn't carry it all the time. And if I'm not carrying all the time, then I need to reexamine my gun choice. I still plan on buying one to have though. It was really a lot of fun at the range.

As for the holster, I'm looking for a tuckable IWB, I tend to be in situations where I tuck my shirt in and I need a holster that will accommodate that.

Olympus
September 7, 2010, 07:20 PM
I was able to find one in a shop today for $395 and I was all over that like white on rice! I hope to shoot it this weekend, but my first impressions are WOW! I've been shooting pistols for a long time and I've never been a big polymer frame fan. So for me to be impressed with a polymer frame gun, that's saying something. The feel is excellent, ergonomics are really top notch, and pointability is as natural as anything I've ever seen. For a person with small hands like me, the thin grip is wonderful. And for a guy who prefers to shoot single stack 1911s, again like me, it's a natural choice. If I get out to the range this weekend, I'll post a report for you. But here are some pics in the mean time...

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070016.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070015.jpg

And I thought I would put it next to the P6 for a true comparison in case someone else ever gets in the same boat as me. Pictures are worth a lot more in my opinion. Words are okay, but I'm more of a visual kind of guy.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070013.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070014.jpg

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070015-1.jpg

And probably the only thing negative I have to say about it is this...WHY THE RED?!?!?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070016-1.jpg

Dionysusigma
September 7, 2010, 07:40 PM
And probably the only thing negative I have to say about it is this...WHY THE RED?!?!?

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070016-1.jpg
So that you know it's ZOMG LOADED!!1!!

Olympus
September 7, 2010, 07:58 PM
Not that "Loaded When Up" across the top wasn't enough...

Carter
September 7, 2010, 08:05 PM
for $395

Thats just 3 bucks less than what I paid for mine. Good deal.
That pistol will eat up +p+ loads too. I keep mine loaded with Winchester Ranger t-series. 50 rounds for under $40 beats $23 for 20 rounds any day.

The one thing I will suggest to change on the pistol is to remove the magazine disconnect safety. Takes literally 2 minutes tops. Plus its good to know how to remove the firing pin/striker for a proper cleaning.

I still recommend the supertuck for a IWB tuckable holster. If you find the video on crossbreedholsters.com of the guy concealing a full sized XD .45 with his shirt tucked in that'll show you how good it is. I do the same thing with my SR9c when I go to church and its too hot for a suit jacket. Of course there are similar models out there, but I like the supertuck's metal belt clips. The celtic fross at the top is pretty cool too.

Olympus
September 7, 2010, 08:18 PM
I figured it wouldn't get much better than $400, so I'll take the $5 and keep smiling all day long.

I think I will go ahead and order the Crossbreed. I like the two-week guaranteed buy-back. That will give me some time to wear it and see how it does.

UpTheIrons
September 7, 2010, 08:27 PM
Very nice! My wife picked up a barely-used one on Saturday for $340. Shoots like a dream and is quite accurate. She is a 1911 gal, and she LOVES this gun.

Olympus
September 7, 2010, 08:41 PM
I have really found a hard time finding negative posts about this gun. We'll just have to see I guess. I know it sure feels good in the hand though.

BTW...just ordered the Supertuck and a set of J-hooks.

harmon rabb
September 8, 2010, 06:43 AM
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa121/adambrown69/P9070013.jpg

Wow. If that doesn't show the difference in concealability, nothing will.

I'm waiting for my sr9c to get back from ruger :\ It started having failures to extract, stovepipes, and even failures to fire, after the first 50 rounds. I just got unlucky. I trust ruger will fix it.

Olympus
September 8, 2010, 08:51 AM
Hope everything gets fixed for you.

ABTOMAT
September 8, 2010, 11:27 AM
I think people sometimes forget that, despite it being good for carry, the P6/P225 was designed as a duty weapon for police. It's still a big ol' pistol.

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