.410 Bore Slugs


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Snake-eater
September 5, 2010, 10:55 PM
Fellow Slug Shooters,
I want to load some Solid Copper .410 Bore Slugs using Barnes Solid Copper
Tac-XP Pistol Bullets (10MM,.400"dia,155gr), 2-1/2" Cheddite Plastic Shells
with Cheddite 209 Primers, 13.1gr of Lil Gun, modified Remington SP410 Wads
and a Roll Crimp. I also plan to load some .410 Bore Hollow Point Slugs using
Hornady #40060 HP-XTP Pistol Bullets (10MM,.400"dia,200gr), 2-1/2" Cheddite Plastic Shells with Cheddite 209 Primers, 15.7gr of H110, modified Remington
SP410 Wads and a Roll Crimp. Lastly, I plan to make some .410Bore SST Slugs using Hornady #67132 .45 Cal SST-ML Bullet (.400"dia,200gr), without the sabot, 2-1/2" Cheddite Plastic Shells with Cheddite 209 Primers,16.0gr of H110, modified Fed 410SC Wads and a Roll Crimp. If anyone has tried this before, without blowing something up, please, contact me with your load data.
Happy shotgunning,
Snake-eater

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snuffy
September 6, 2010, 11:40 AM
Snake, none of your proposals will work. Those are pistol bullets, not hollow based shotgun slugs. UNLESS you have a rifled .410 shotgun. I've never heard of one of those!

All of those bullets will tumble out of a smooth bore shotgun. Then, you have .005 clearance on both sides of those bullets, they will rattle down the bore, exiting at odd angles. The wads are too thick to surround the bullets like a sabot, and again without rifling, they will not fly point forward.

Trying to make the .410 into an effective slug gun for deer is futile at best. Sure deer have been taken with it, but a lot have been wounded also.

Harley Quinn
September 6, 2010, 11:58 AM
Since it is handloading I have to think maybe you are shooting out of a judge:confused:

Jason_W
September 6, 2010, 12:20 PM
An idea that may or may not work. Cut a notch into the base of the bullet so that under the stress of being fired, the plastic of the wad will be forced into the groove on the base of the bullet, locking the two together in flight, the wad acting as a stabilizer. This is how the Lee drive key slugs work.

Just an idea, anyway.

snuffy
September 6, 2010, 05:06 PM
Since it is handloading I have to think maybe you are shooting out of a judge


I didn't consider the judge because it has a .452 bore. It would work with a sabot that could surround the .401 40 bullet, but you'd never get it in a .410 shell. i just took a rem .110 wad, slipped a 40 bullet in it. It measure out at .432. If it were just a bare .401 bullet, it would really rattle down a .452 bore.

Jason, the lee key drive serves 2 purposes. One, it prevents the driver wad from getting stuffed up inside the hollow base. Two, it "grips" the plastic base of the cup wad to provide spin if used in a rifled barrel. It never would stay with the slug in flite.

NCsmitty
September 6, 2010, 08:31 PM
Welcome to THR, Snake-eater.

I've played around with the 410 bore for a few years, and as snuffy mentioned, loading a shaped projectile in a smoothbore is a waste of time.

I have a couple 410 shotguns, one of them is a pardner single that I have cut back past the choke, making it a cylinder bore, and fitted with fiber-optic Remington sights.
To work with that, I cast .380 lead ball which is 0000 buckshot size, and I use 15.5gr of H110 in the 2.5" hulls. I use the Gulandi wad (BP's stump wad) sliced through the center with a razor knife making two useable over powder wads, cup down of course. I drop 3 of the .380 balls spaced with .125 fiber wads to cushion and give me the height for a crimp. The load is pushing over 240gr, but has no indication of high pressure.
I have shot them out to 50 yds, and they will consistently put all three in under a 12" cluster at that distance.
It's like hitting with 3 simultaneous .38 handgun slugs. Many say the 410 is not a good defensive weapon, but that load has a definite "ouch" factor, IMO.
These probably should not be used through a choked barrel.

I'm quite happy with my 410 bore concoction, and I will check the velocity in the near future.



NCsmitty

Snake-eater
September 14, 2010, 04:24 PM
Snuffy,
I DO HAVE A RIFLED BARREL on my Taurus Circuit Judge and I have a Taurus Raging Bull Magnum. I like your load using the .380 lead ball. Thanks. Good
Slug Shooting!

Snake-eater

millertyme
September 14, 2010, 04:55 PM
NCSmitty -

Did you ever find out what kind of velocity are you pushing with your loading?

NCsmitty
September 14, 2010, 11:57 PM
Did you ever find out what kind of velocity are you pushing with your loading?

millertyme, I'll try to check that tomorrow.



NCsmitty

NCsmitty
September 15, 2010, 03:30 PM
I chronographed 5 rounds of my 3 ball 410 loads as mentioned in a previous post.
These are 2.50" cases with a standard crimp.

1126, 1132, 1089, 1118, 1173, Average=1127 fps SD=30

Snapped a picture of my pardner 410 with the Remington sights that I installed. And the Tamer stocks from Choate Machine and Tool.


NCsmitty

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