Decent compact .40S&W options


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Snowdog
September 6, 2010, 12:41 AM
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything, so I'd like to seek advice here as I continue to search.

I am currently looking for something that's compact enough to serve on the bed stand for home defense while excelling at concealed carry use.
Though I prefer a DA/SA trigger, I am open to ideas including striker fired and SAO.

Currently, the Sig 229 has captured my attention. I don't know much about them except what I've read of them so far. Does the Sig229 sound like a viable option?

Are there others I should consider?

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writerinmo
September 6, 2010, 01:40 AM
Might want to check out the new SD line that S&W just came out with.

bds
September 6, 2010, 02:03 AM
Glock 27 with a +1 Pearce grip extension is my go-to pistol that travels with me.

It is very accurate (as good as my full-size Glock 22) and manageable to shoot well for a small pistol.

And if you want a cheaper range practice option, you can drop in a $100 Lone Wolf 40-to-9mm conversion barrel to shoot 9mm, even lead reloads.

REAPER4206969
September 6, 2010, 02:04 AM
Glock 23.


This thread is now over.

Shadow 7D
September 6, 2010, 02:26 AM
Shoot whatever you want to buy first, .40 can be a real bear in smaller guns, look up the KT p40, not a bad gun, but unshootable for most people.

DasFriek
September 6, 2010, 02:51 AM
I use an XD SC .40 thats a 9+1 but has a 13+1 extra mag with grip extension for HD.
$400-$430 seems the going rate on these depending on if you get the "Essential" or "Full" package.
Its a SAO striker fired gun, But built like a tank.
Size is very small being a SC, and weight is average for a polymer gun.
I carry mine when my 5" 1911 is too big or too heavy.

I do know Taurus has several DA/SA guns that are know for great reliability, In .40 its the PT140.

jackpinesavages
September 6, 2010, 03:00 AM
We have 2 of them. 1 for sale, as the wife wants the new Bodyguard.

Runningman
September 6, 2010, 03:43 AM
Sig P229 are decent guns. My own experience with the P229 was good just found it was a little on the heavy side for concealed carry. Some prefer the lighter weight of Polymer pistols for carrying.

Some other DA/SA pistols you may want to look at are HK USP Compact, HK P2000 HK P30. The HK V3 trigger would be a standard DA/SA type trigger.

The Beretta Px4 Storm Type F

killchain
September 6, 2010, 05:04 AM
The FNP40 has turned out to be one of my favorite guns for that specific purpose. It's thin enough to conceal if I want to, large enough for open carry and range fun, and makes one very decent bedside handgun.

And you can't wrinkle your nose at 14+1 rounds.

If you get the USG model, it comes with a manual safety, decocker, the works.

Also, it's a DA/SA with a "commander-style" hammer.

I actually bought it from another Highroader a few months ago.

basicblur
September 6, 2010, 05:57 AM
I have a P229R (357 SIG) which I often carry in colder weather, but for warmer weather I usually carry my XDSC9.
The Sig may be getting a little big for warm weather carry, and the XDs are a tad thick, but I have no problem with either gun AFA performance.

FWIW, if you ain't married to the 40, consider a 9mm?
I was originally carrying an XD40SC, but when they redesigned the 9mm magazines to hold more rounds, both that and the reduced muzzle flip of the 9 over the 40, 'specially in a smaller gun prompted me to go from the XDSC40 to the XDSC9. I've also tended to move down in caliber over the years as SD ammo has improved.

The sub-compact XDs are accurate little guns for their (lack of) size.
I had to add the Pearce Grip Extender to cure the dangling pinky-for use as a bed gun, you could use the long magazine.

docnyt
September 6, 2010, 07:17 AM
You can't go wrong with the SIG P229 or a Glock 27.

Also look up the CZ40B - ergonomically similar to a 1911, relatively cheap but just like a 1911 may be difficult to carry concealed.

rskent
September 6, 2010, 08:07 AM
Snowdog
Have you ever picked up a Sig 239-40?
Steve

BamAlmighty
September 6, 2010, 08:19 AM
Another option is the CZ 2075 Rami.

It is somewhat more compact than the XD Sub Compact. I carried for a Rami for the last 5 years, but ended up swapping over to the XD this last year.

ejfalvo
September 6, 2010, 08:50 AM
I have a Sig 239 40SW and an XDSC 40. Both shoot great with non failures from either after hundreds of rounds. Recoil is not bad, accuracy is great - both are built like a tank. Depending on my mood I carry either on a daily basis - unless the LCP is more appropriate. Give them both a try.

My nightstand firearm is an XD 45 Compact

Rokman
September 6, 2010, 11:09 AM
My S&W MP.40C is an excellent compact pistol and they run deals on free magazines, etc. all the time.

CDR_Glock
September 6, 2010, 12:02 PM
I'll be the first to admit that I don't know everything, so I'd like to seek advice here as I continue to search.

I am currently looking for something that's compact enough to serve on the bed stand for home defense while excelling at concealed carry use.
Though I prefer a DA/SA trigger, I am open to ideas including striker fired and SAO.

Currently, the Sig 229 has captured my attention. I don't know much about them except what I've read of them so far. Does the Sig229 sound like a viable option?

Are there others I should consider?

The key is to try shooting them. Ergonomics, your accuracy and your trials with various holsters will let you know what works for you.

The 229 is a touch big.

The following 40s are the models that I had looked at before getting the Glocks:
S&W M&P 40
SA XD SC 40
Kahr MX40
Glock 27 or 23 - I have both
PX4 Compact 40

19-3Ben
September 6, 2010, 12:09 PM
I love and absolutely adore my Kahr K40. It 100% vanishes behind a regular fitting t-shirt, but still handles, shoots, and feels like a full sized gun.

Snowdog
September 6, 2010, 03:37 PM
I greatly appreciate all the advice! Of the 20-something handguns I have, the only one I have chambered for the .40S&W is a somewhat big Steyr M40.

I do have various handguns that fit this role in 9mm, including a G19, Kahr K9 and Bersa UC9. I do have a lingering fascination with the .40S&W and wouldn't mind reloading for it, but not necessarily for only one pistol that I don't shoot much (M40).

I'll have to swing by a shop and look at these suggestions for size comparison.

Thanks again everyone!

CPshooter
September 6, 2010, 03:40 PM
Take your pick.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n106/TonyG749/2-1.jpg

The Sig P229 (without the rail of course) is a great feeling and shooting firearm, although it is sort of chunky/heavy when compared to other polymer guns. Mine (pictured above) is a Sig Certified Pre-Owned gun. I bought it earlier this year and it's been flawless aesthetically and functionally. I payed $530 shipped and think it's worth more.

The H&K USP .40 Compact (which I've sold since that pic was taken) is another fantastic firearm. I only sold it because I made $100 off of it and I prefer black guns. I actually prefer H&Ks over Sigs any day of the week. IMHO H&K makes the most reliable and best-engineered pistols out there. If you are looking at mostly concealed carry, do yourself a favor and check out the P2000. They have a sleeker profile than the USP and are more ergonomic in general. The sides of the grip are also smooth so it won't rub your skin raw or tear up your undershirt if you actually do carry it. It was built for concealed carry.

If I had to choose one handgun for the rest of my life that could do it all well, the P2000 would be my choice. If you know where to look you can get one as a "police package" for $790 and it comes with 3 magazines instead of 2 and also Meprolight night sights. People think H&Ks are so expensive, but they just don't know where to look.

Zerodefect
September 6, 2010, 06:56 PM
Glock 23, with G22 mags for reloads.

writerinmo
September 6, 2010, 07:10 PM
I carry a SW40VE daily, either IWB or OWB in a Don Hume JIT. Have just over 1k rounds trouble free through it. 14+1.

The Lone Haranguer
September 6, 2010, 08:27 PM
S&W 4013, if you don't mind a used gun.

Zundfolge
September 6, 2010, 08:30 PM
The P229 is about as big as you can get and still call it a "Compact".

They're good guns and you can't go wrong with one.

Recently I've been most impressed with the S&W M&P line of guns and if I was in the market for a new CCW piece I'd get an M&P Compact in .40.

My EDC is a Steyr S40 which is a great gun but good luck finding one :p

MPrimo
September 6, 2010, 09:36 PM
I highly recommend the M&P line. My EDC is a 9c but my dad has a 40c and that shoots (and functions) equally as well. My bedside gun is an M&P 45 and my production division/IDPA gun is a 9 Pro ... so I am biased a bit. BUT ... I own nearly every other gun mentioned thus far including SIGs, XDs, Glocks and Kahrs and the M&P is still my choice. The grips are configurable and ergonomic. All mine have been 100% reliable and they are extremely easy to shoot. I have turned on a few friends to them for their first HD/CCW handgun and they seem very happy with the choice as well. Just my $.02!

msiley
September 6, 2010, 09:44 PM
Glock 27. I love mine. It's a small gun that shoots like a big gun.
I even like it and shoot it better then my CZ 75B in .40. And that's a big heavy gun.

Narwhal
September 6, 2010, 11:30 PM
M&P 40 compact. Probably the best hot weather concealed carry piece I own.

John_galt
September 6, 2010, 11:30 PM
Springfield EMP .40. Solid gun. Forged frame. Very easy to conceal. Easily handable recoil. But you have to like 1911. This is the most comfortable carry gun I have and easieat to carry.

Jonah71
September 7, 2010, 10:53 AM
I would stay away from the Kahr CW40. It's been a real dissapointment. I only have experiance with the CW mod. I've heard good things about the rest.

speaksoftly
September 7, 2010, 11:16 AM
A Glock and a Sig are two completely different firearms. You are going to have to decide between polymer or metal, striker fire or SA/DA, and ability to shoot reloads vs. inability to do the same.

For carry, polymer's a good choice. It tends to lighten up the load. If I were you and I wanted to stay in .40, I'd stick with the Sig 239 or Smith and Wesson M&P compact. The M&P is the equivalent of the Glock but with much better ergonomics and Smith lets you shoot reloads.

For what it's worth of the M&P's value. I can tell you that I had one, sold it to fund another purchase, and couldn't stop kicking myself until I bought a replacement. The M&P really is a fantastic carry weapon.

Ben86
September 7, 2010, 11:38 AM
S&W M&P40c

It's one of the most accurate and soft shooting .40s I've ever shot.

indykappa
September 7, 2010, 12:14 PM
i don't have alot of experience with a variety of compact 40s, but i now own a S&W MP40c, and i couldn't be happier with my purchase

for all the hoopla over the kick/recoil of the 40S&W round, i was beyond surprised at how little recoil i felt when i shot the MP40c

i won't poo-poo other guns/manufacturers, but i will tout something that i have experience with. the MP40c would be worth your time to consider

easyg
September 7, 2010, 01:08 PM
Glock 27.....

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM6634.jpg


Or


Glock 23.....

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM6636.jpg


You will not reget getting either one of these.

Ben86
September 7, 2010, 02:01 PM
You might if you get one in OD green bleh! :)

speaksoftly
September 7, 2010, 02:46 PM
Ok, Easyg. If it's a gun porn war you want then game on! Haha

http://i30.tinypic.com/30j2o1x.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3404579059_62ec7796c4.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/rwtjxx.jpg

Disclaimer: photos borrowed from google because my camera is crap.

easyg
September 7, 2010, 03:29 PM
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speaksoftly
September 7, 2010, 03:36 PM
But you really deserve a better knife than that Gerber.

Amen to that. As stated, the pics are borrowed from the interwebs. Personally I'm a benchmade guy also. My fav is my Benchmade 3550.

MikeNice
September 7, 2010, 03:51 PM
My cousin recently purchased a Kahr P40 with night sights. It is definitely a very concealable gun and it shoots well. I had the chance to put twelve shots through it myself.

I think I would like something a little wider. I just didn't feel like I had enough gun to hold on to with the recoil. It is something that would probably get more comfortable with use. If I was looking to drop $750 on a .40S&W it would be on my short list.

sledhead76
September 7, 2010, 04:26 PM
For carry, polymer's a good choice. It tends to lighten up the load. If I were you and I wanted to stay in .40, I'd stick with the Sig 239 or Smith and Wesson M&P compact. The M&P is the equivalent of the Glock but with much better ergonomics and Smith lets you shoot reloads.

What, you can't shoot reloads in Glock .40's? There's been countless threads and arguments on here, among other sites, to the contrary.

ColdDeadHand
September 7, 2010, 08:39 PM
Might want to check out the new SD line that S&W just came out with.
I have an M&Pc in 40. I would only go SD if you have budget constraints. The SD is cheaper for a reason. No interchangeable grips, no compact version.

My M&Pc is proving to be a good carry gun. I will say I'm 6'1" 170lbs, so pretty skinny. My M&P is unobtrusive but not invisible. I don't mind, but you might. And, admittedly, it could be my holster and not the pistol.

Recoil was brutal for the first 500 rnds. or so but we adapt and overcome. I've grown really attached to this pistol. I have a tendency to fall for pistols that never jam.

Snowdog
September 7, 2010, 09:35 PM
The past few days, I've been researching the M&P compact and the results are appealing. I think that's the route I'm going to go. It looks like I can purchase one for around $550, which is the price range I was looking for.

Narwhal
September 7, 2010, 10:39 PM
Solid choice, you won't regret it.

Mudinyeri
September 7, 2010, 10:53 PM
I would stay away from the Kahr CW40. It's been a real dissapointment. I only have experiance with the CW mod. I've heard good things about the rest.
I would have to say exactly the opposite about my CW40.

Requisite gun pron, pictured with my PM9 ...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/Mudinyeri/Guns/DSCN1283.jpg

speaksoftly
September 8, 2010, 05:29 PM
Solid choice, you won't regret it.

Def a +1

ET
September 8, 2010, 06:13 PM
I have been really happy with my Glock 27. With the 9mm & 357sig conversion barrels you get a lot of versatility. I also have a SW40VE that has been reliable, but it's a Sigma:eek: Sigmas have a bad name in the industry. It's the 12 lbs. trigger pull that everybody hates. I don't mind it. I've become a better shooter because of it, but that's just me.

Jonah71
September 12, 2010, 10:31 AM
Mudinyeri.....to be fair, I must admit that my CW 40 is the only Kahr I've fired. It is fun to shoot as long as I'm not picky about the target size or reliabilty issues. It was the "solid feel" of the gun, plus the fact that it is American made that sold me. I guess it's just more of a personal preference. The Karh CW owners I've talked to at my local gun shop like it. Complaints about accuracy issues are the only negative comments i've heard. I'm not at all giving up on the gun. I plan on putting at least a couple of hundred more rounds through it after church. I may learn to like it eventually just as I did my 2003 Kimber and the Bersa .380 thunder Del. (what a fun little gem that has turned out to be). Some guns just take time to "get to know."

Chip1wa
September 12, 2010, 12:58 PM
I absolutely love my Glock 27 like many other folks have offered up, but my little PM40 is now with me most of the time in the right front pocket of my Levi's, or even the lightest pair of shorts.

And contrary to what many say about the PM40's recoil, controlability, and shootability, it's a nice all-day shooter at the range. It's a fun gun indeed.

Dirty

Mudinyeri
September 12, 2010, 10:20 PM
Mudinyeri.....to be fair, I must admit that my CW 40 is the only Kahr I've fired. It is fun to shoot as long as I'm not picky about the target size or reliabilty issues. It was the "solid feel" of the gun, plus the fact that it is American made that sold me. I guess it's just more of a personal preference. The Karh CW owners I've talked to at my local gun shop like it. Complaints about accuracy issues are the only negative comments i've heard. I'm not at all giving up on the gun. I plan on putting at least a couple of hundred more rounds through it after church. I may learn to like it eventually just as I did my 2003 Kimber and the Bersa .380 thunder Del. (what a fun little gem that has turned out to be). Some guns just take time to "get to know."
Depending on what you shoot, besides the Kahr, it can definitely take some "getting to know." I have several XD variants and a Beretta 92FS. The Kahr is VERY different.

Rico567
September 12, 2010, 10:35 PM
Another vote for the Glock 23.....and I've shot thousands and thousands of reloads through a number of different Glocks. Anyone who says you can't shoot reloads through a Glock is misinformed.....or worse.

Lar1911
September 12, 2010, 10:38 PM
Another option is the CZ 2075 Rami.


I second the RAMI

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-2075-rami-p/

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The polymer frame version of the CZ 2075 RAMI, The RAMI P is a sub-compact semi-automatic based on the proven CZ 75 line of pistols. The trigger mechanism operates in selective DA and SA mode depending on the shooter’s preferences. Several safety devices are used including a firing pin block and a manual safety. Incorporating the CZ double-stack magazine design, the little RAMI P accommodates 10 rounds of 9mm Luger, or 8 rounds of 40 S&W, plus 1 in the chamber. With a 3” barrel, and unloaded weight of less than 25 ounces, the black polycoat, alloy frame RAMI P is ideal for concealed carry.

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Product Description

The CZ 2075 RAMI is a sub-compact semi-automatic based on the proven CZ 75 line of pistols. The trigger mechanism operates in selective DA and SA mode depending on the shooter’s preferences. Several safety devices are used including a firing pin block and a manual safety. Incorporating the CZ double-stack magazine design, the little RAMI accommodates 10 rounds of 9mm Luger, or 8 rounds of 40 S&W, plus 1 in the chamber. With a 3” barrel, and unloaded weight of less than 25 ounces, the black polycoat, alloy frame RAMI is ideal for concealed carry.

Airburst
September 14, 2010, 12:10 AM
Steyr M40 or M40A1 if you desire a rail. Much better grip angle than a glock, easier to field strip and clean and the trigger is smoother.

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