[mtnbkr]

I'm not sure what size this thing is going to be. I've seen a picture of it in a guy's hand and it looks fairly compact. People describe this guy has having large hands, but it still looks like it would be a compact gun.

However...

If I look at the numbers, it no longer looks that small. I was expecting something a little larger than my P32 (an inch longer, an inch taller), but the RAMI is almost as big as my Star BM (about the size of a Colt Commander). The OAL is the same and the height is a little shorter on the RAMI by less than an inch. It doesn't appear to be much smaller, if at all, than the CZ75 Compact (which I do not own, but have seen in stores).

So, what's the deal? Is it a subcompact or not?

Chris

[DMK]

You're right. It's not that small. Comparing website specs, it appears to be just a hair larger than the Kahr K9/40 in all dimensions.

[mtnbkr]

Bummer, I was hoping it would be in the size range of the MK series guns.

Oh well, I get to keep my money for other things like food, bills, etc. :)

Chris

[Badger Arms]

Did anybody ever represent it as anything else? They have minimum size restrictions laid out in law for import. That's why you don't see any imported Baby Brownings, for instance. Considering CZ's reputation and the cost of the Khar, I think this is very competitive.

[mtnbkr]

I never said it was misrepresented. However, if you missed the comment about the guy's hand, you wouldn't know his hand was large enough to make a Commander sized gun look small.

That's why I asked. The numbers and what my eyes were seeing did not match.

Chris

[PCRCCW]

I understand both sides of it...It IS smaller then the Compact by a considerable amount on both ends......

You guys have to figure I pocket carry a Makarov with no problem, not the smallest but small enough. My PCR is just a tad longer in the slide than it is but about 3/8" longer in the grip and thicker.

Once you get down to a certain level.....even 1/8" is a big deal....on the grip end you can loose a rnd of ammo capacity and on the muzzle end you start to loose velocity from your ammo.....
So once youre beyond a point, every little bit helps....

Plus they made it as small as they could and still get it by the ATF.....its very comparable to a G26, which by all acounts is considered a subcompact given its chambering.

Remember its easier to make a small gun in the states than it is to get a small gun legally into the states...........

Shoot well.

[carpettbaggerr]

Remember its easier to make a small gun in the states than it is to get a small gun legally into the states...........

Now if Rohrbaugh would only begin delivery....

[tomkatz]

I must have missed one of the comments about hand size, here is what JeffOTMG said, and he knows the guy.......

Quote...

"That is Mike Eagleshield's hand in the photo. He has shown it to me for a few years at the SHOT Show, but I was never allowed to show a full picture until this year. Mike is a big fella, but not real tall. I would not consider his hand huge by any means." ......end quote.......

.....The RAMI is about the size of a baby glock with the finger rest installed, when I lay my glock 27 next to my pcr the glock is alot smaller, but everyone has a different perception of what alot is, so YMMV......tom

[Hellbore]

Dang, what we really need is a pic of the RAMI next to a CZ75B or a CZ40B or a 1911 or something!!!

[jacketch]

The specifications indicate it is thicker than my P239. What I want is a thin gun, small would be good also.

[tomkatz]

It is a typical double stack gun, so yeah it will be thicker than the 239 or kahr guns, but it is pretty close to the glock, just a hair thicker, probably across the grips. Maybe hakan will be able to make some thin grips, but it will never compare to the single stacks.......tom

[tiberius]

The specifications indicate it is thicker than my P239. What I want is a thin gun, small would be good also.

I've noticed that CZ specs width at the widest point, i.e. the grips. For instance they spec. the C7-75 at 1.4" thick. It is really only 0.91" across the slide and 0.99" across the frame. I imagine that the RAMI is spec'd similiarly.

Unlike a Glock, which is nealy uniform thickness, the CZ is much more sculpted. Don't ever be fooled by the numbers they post. Some are conservative like CZ while others post "slide" thickness.

[Bahadur]

Why didn't CZ make it single-stack?

For me in any case, in that size of a gun, thin beats small...

[lazhuward]

Hmm... It might be pretty thin for a double-stack. They give the width as 1.26". For comparison, the width on the CZ-40 is listed at 1.40" (its grip width is around 1.24").

I don't know if the grips on the RAMI are thinner than those on the CZ40, or if the frame is thinner. One interesting thing though on the RAMI is that there's a recessed area cut out on the frame around the safety. It looks like the safety has been pushed farther into the frame, so it doesn't stick out as much. The safety itself might also be thinner, but it's really hard to tell just by looking at the pics.

[DMK]

Why didn't CZ make it single-stack? Don't forget that ot of the box, the 9mm RAMI holds three more rounds than the Kahr K9. Plus it is supposed to be compatable with CZ-75 15 round magazine if I understand correctly. That's a big deal for some folks.

It might not be for everyone, but it's another option with different variables. More options is always good when it comes to CCW equipment.

[Jeff OTMG]

This pistol has been in the design phase for a good five years. During the midst of the full cap mag ban. Like Glock, CZ made the grip as long as it needed to be to hold a 10 round mag and, as a Glock does, the RAMI will take the full length mags of the CZ75.

[PCRCCW]

Just a quick note...the CZ40 is an Alloy frame and is a good 1/8" wider than the steel CZ versions.........

Shoot well