.22 LR. CCI Stinger vs. .22 LR. Aguilar


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stinger 327
September 7, 2010, 12:52 PM
Which one of these two is more accurate? Stinger is 1,645 fps and Aguilar is 1,750 fps? Both are hollowpoints.
Stinger also have one that breaks up into 3 pieces-Segmented hollowpoint.:confused:

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czarjl
September 7, 2010, 02:10 PM
Only way to know is shoot both out of your gun and compare. I have had better luck with the CCI. I have even better luck with target grade ammo (about the same price) and found that the extra speed in waste for the type of shooting and hunting I’m doing.

Jubjub
September 7, 2010, 02:18 PM
I've had excellent luck with the CCI Velocitor. Not as fast as Stingers, but a full 40 grain bullet significantly faster than a regular high velocity. In a couple of different 10/22s with bull barrels that I've tried them in, they group about an inch and a half at 100 yards, and they shoot noticeably flatter than Mini-Mags.

stinger 327
September 7, 2010, 03:17 PM
Only way to know is shoot both out of your gun and compare. I have had better luck with the CCI. I have even better luck with target grade ammo (about the same price) and found that the extra speed in waste for the type of shooting and hunting I’m doing.
By using the hi velocity loads will the barrel wear out faster?

rcmodel
September 7, 2010, 04:13 PM
NO.

As already mentioned though, the most accurate ammo in your rifle is unlikely to be with any of the Hyper-velocity Stinger type ammo brands.

Standard velocity or Hi-Velocity LR 36 grain HP or 40 grain solids are very likely to shoot much better groups.

But every rifle is different, even with two identical guns of the same model.

The only way to find out what yours will shoot best is to buy a box of every brand you can find and test them in your rifle.
Then if you find one that is especially accurate, go back and buy all you can afford with the same lot# on the box flap.

rc

Rail Driver
September 7, 2010, 04:18 PM
As a note, some firearms don't like hi-velocity rounds... I broke the pivot pin on a Taurus PT-22 firing CCI Stingers.

Make sure your gun is made to handle the ammo.

CraigC
September 7, 2010, 05:17 PM
You'll have to shoot it and see. Though my guns have a tendency to prefer Federal Spitfire or Remington Yellow Jacket over Stingers.

Wonder why some many put an "r" on Aguila???

stinger 327
September 7, 2010, 05:20 PM
You'll have to shoot it and see. Though my guns have a tendency to prefer Federal Spitfire or Remington Yellow Jacket over Stingers.

Wonder why some many put an "r" on Aguila???
I have Vipers and Yellowjackets too.

stinger 327
September 7, 2010, 05:22 PM
NO.

As already mentioned though, the most accurate ammo in your rifle is unlikely to be with any of the Hyper-velocity Stinger type ammo brands.

Standard velocity or Hi-Velocity LR 36 grain HP or 40 grain solids are very likely to shoot much better groups.

But every rifle is different, even with two identical guns of the same model.

The only way to find out what yours will shoot best is to buy a box of every brand you can find and test them in your rifle.
Then if you find one that is especially accurate, go back and buy all you can afford with the same lot# on the box flap.

rc
What's standard velocity in .22LR? 1,200 fps? in 40 grains?

CraigC
September 7, 2010, 06:31 PM
Standard velocity is subsonic, typically target loads. They range from around 1050-1100fps but those are rifle numbers. "High velocity" typically runs 1200-1300fps with standard 36-40gr bullets. "Hyper velocity" rounds are those like the Stinger, Yellow Jacket and Spitfire. They typically use a much lighter bullet and run 1500-1700fps.

ms6852
September 7, 2010, 06:42 PM
Most first time shooters shooting CCI stingers do not realize that the stinger round is a little bit longer than regular or other high velocity 22lr rounds. If you have a match barrel the chamber may be to small for the stinger. I have a remington 513T matchmaster in which the bolt is very tight and have difficulty closing when using a CCI stinger. This is how I found out that the stinger is just a little bit longer. I do not have this problem with the Aguila high velocity rounds. If you are going to try to shoot groups with hyper velocity rounds remember that you will get better groups with subsonic rounds. The hyper velocity rounds go through the transonic stage which causes the bullet to wobble or de-stabilize. But in the end as everyone stated, shoot both and find out what your rifle likes to eat.

don
September 7, 2010, 09:33 PM
I have a Marlin model 60, a Mossberg 802 plinkster and a Browning Buckmark pistol. None of these shoot very accurately with CCI Stingers.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 02:52 AM
I have a Marlin model 60, a Mossberg 802 plinkster and a Browning Buckmark pistol. None of these shoot very accurately with CCI Stingers.
My Buckmark was dead on with the Stingers until I switched over to those glo sites. Didn't really care for them so I put back front factory sight and now the settings have changed so I will have to re sight when I get time.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 03:04 AM
Most first time shooters shooting CCI stingers do not realize that the stinger round is a little bit longer than regular or other high velocity 22lr rounds. If you have a match barrel the chamber may be to small for the stinger. I have a remington 513T matchmaster in which the bolt is very tight and have difficulty closing when using a CCI stinger. This is how I found out that the stinger is just a little bit longer. I do not have this problem with the Aguila high velocity rounds. If you are going to try to shoot groups with hyper velocity rounds remember that you will get better groups with subsonic rounds. The hyper velocity rounds go through the transonic stage which causes the bullet to wobble or de-stabilize. But in the end as everyone stated, shoot both and find out what your rifle likes to eat.
The cases on the Stingers are a tad longer than other .22LR. Same thing with the Aguila except the Aguila kicks a little more.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 03:08 AM
Most first time shooters shooting CCI stingers do not realize that the stinger round is a little bit longer than regular or other high velocity 22lr rounds. If you have a match barrel the chamber may be to small for the stinger. I have a remington 513T matchmaster in which the bolt is very tight and have difficulty closing when using a CCI stinger. This is how I found out that the stinger is just a little bit longer. I do not have this problem with the Aguila high velocity rounds. If you are going to try to shoot groups with hyper velocity rounds remember that you will get better groups with subsonic rounds. The hyper velocity rounds go through the transonic stage which causes the bullet to wobble or de-stabilize. But in the end as everyone stated, shoot both and find out what your rifle likes to eat.
Those Sub-sonic 60 grain loads from Aguilar are very long pointed lead. The ones from Winchester will not cycle from the Buckmark guess recoil isn't enough to eject shell.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 03:11 AM
Standard velocity is subsonic, typically target loads. They range from around 1050-1100fps but those are rifle numbers. "High velocity" typically runs 1200-1300fps with standard 36-40gr bullets. "Hyper velocity" rounds are those like the Stinger, Yellow Jacket and Spitfire. They typically use a much lighter bullet and run 1500-1700fps.
Like those lead Blazers made by Federal or is it CCI?

KBintheSLC
September 8, 2010, 05:02 PM
By using the hi velocity loads will the barrel wear out faster?

No. I have had one of my 10/22's since the early 80's which has tens of thousands of rounds through it... most of which were high velocity and some hyper velocity loads. The stock barrel is still as accurate as it has always been. You are more likely to ruin a .22 barrel by over-cleaning it than by over-shooting it.

ms6852
September 8, 2010, 08:13 PM
Stinger I have not had that issue with my Buckmark. It will cycle the 60gr SSS from Aguila as will my Ruger 10/22. Funny though because by Brother 10/22 and Ruger MKIII will not cycle the 60 grain aguilas. I did not think the Aguilas hyper velocity rounds were longer. They chamber in my 513T without a problem where as the stingers will not chamber well, thanks.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 10:49 PM
Stinger I have not had that issue with my Buckmark. It will cycle the 60gr SSS from Aguila as will my Ruger 10/22. Funny though because by Brother 10/22 and Ruger MKIII will not cycle the 60 grain aguilas. I did not think the Aguilas hyper velocity rounds were longer. They chamber in my 513T without a problem where as the stingers will not chamber well, thanks.
I have to use the Aguila 60 gr SSS in a revolver then it goes off.

stinger 327
September 8, 2010, 10:50 PM
No. I have had one of my 10/22's since the early 80's which has tens of thousands of rounds through it... most of which were high velocity and some hyper velocity loads. The stock barrel is still as accurate as it has always been. You are more likely to ruin a .22 barrel by over-cleaning it than by over-shooting it.
By over cleaning how much time if there is an average time for cleaning the barrel without wearing it out on 10/22?

zoom6zoom
September 8, 2010, 11:57 PM
Wonder why some many put an "r" on Aguila???
Dunno. Maybe it's spanish for "apostrophe - s".

I can run Aguila through my CMMG .22 conversion for my AR just fine, and in my SIG .22 conversions. It won't even feed in my Wolverine (both the original and the Olympia copy).

stinger 327
September 9, 2010, 12:50 AM
Dunno. Maybe it's spanish for "apostrophe - s".

I can run Aguila through my CMMG .22 conversion for my AR just fine, and in my SIG .22 conversions. It won't even feed in my Wolverine (both the original and the Olympia copy).
Do you think the CCI Stingers will feed better with the silver casings? There is also the segmented Stingers which are gold in color cases.

fireman 9731
September 9, 2010, 01:55 PM
Do you think the CCI Stingers will feed better with the silver casings?

Nope. They are just there to look pretty and differentiate them from other 22 ammo.

There is also the segmented Stingers which are gold in color cases.

Yep, they are brass, and in my experience very effective on bigger game.

stinger 327
September 9, 2010, 04:15 PM
Nope. They are just there to look pretty and differentiate them from other 22 ammo.



Yep, they are brass, and in my experience very effective on bigger game.
Yes the stinger casings look better and don't seem to tarnish like the gold ones.
The Segmented HP on the Stinger is more effective on small game than the regular HP?

Then there Aguila with 1,750 in HP or that truncone point.
Any experience with Aguila on small game compared to either stinger bullet?

fireman 9731
September 10, 2010, 10:49 AM
The Segmented HP on the Stinger is more effective on small game than the regular HP?


For me it has been. It needs bigger game like coyotes, foxes, and beavers to really open up well and do its job. If you shoot a rabbit or squirrel with one it will be hard to tell the difference between it and a regular HP.

stinger 327
September 10, 2010, 12:19 PM
For me it has been. It needs bigger game like coyotes, foxes, and beavers to really open up well and do its job. If you shoot a rabbit or squirrel with one it will be hard to tell the difference between it and a regular HP.
Yet between t hese two stinger bullets the velocity is the same 1,645 fps.
I shot the segmented HP into a telephone book and couldn't find the 3 pieces.
Same thing with the Aguila brand and between the the CCI regular Stinger HP which penetrated the most.

Strange that 6 months or so ago you couldn't find any ammo on the shelves now this stuff is all over the place.

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