Need suggestions for single stack, cc, 9mm


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wbwanzer
September 7, 2010, 12:39 PM
First off, this is not for me. I'm inquiring for a buddy who's not forum oriented. We're looking for something similar to a S&W 3913, in that it's a single stack, 9mm and not too large. The problem with the 3913 is that his budget tops out at about $400. My 3913 and most that I've seen in good condition are a good bit more than that. He needs the gun for work, but can not wear it openly. He's currently carrying an LCP but wants something larger.

Any suggestions for something similar to a 3913 but for $400 or less will be appreciated.

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Zak Smith
September 7, 2010, 12:53 PM
Not a lot of choices under $400 for any handguns of quality. Price aside:

Sig P239
HK P7 PSP/M8
Colt 9mm Commander (or similar 4" 1911)

2GunsWest
September 7, 2010, 12:56 PM
Everyone dumps on them, but my Fathers Taurus PT 709 has been brilliant thus far. Just under 900 rounds so far and no failures. Trigger seems to be a touch better now than new also.

wbwanzer
September 7, 2010, 01:23 PM
Thanks. I'll check out the Taurus.

possum
September 7, 2010, 01:29 PM
i was gonna recomend a kahr k-9 but that is out of the price range that you have, unless you can maybe find one used.

speaksoftly
September 7, 2010, 01:31 PM
Sig P239 (used)

Kel Tec PF-9 (new)

skoro
September 7, 2010, 01:37 PM
I've been carrying a KelTec PF-9 for the past two years. It's a bargain basement 9mm pocket pistol, but it works and it hits what I aim at.

gofastman
September 7, 2010, 01:43 PM
i just got rid of my PF9 for a PT709.
the pf9 is no fun to shoot and I dont care for the DAO trigger

Thaddeus Jones
September 7, 2010, 01:50 PM
S&W 3913. Reliable, accurate compact, and looks good doing all that!

wbwanzer
September 7, 2010, 01:53 PM
I referenced the 3913 in my original post. We need one for $400 or less.

DukeNukem
September 7, 2010, 02:01 PM
You can probably find a Kahr CW9 for that.

speaksoftly
September 7, 2010, 02:04 PM
the pf9 is no fun to shoot and I dont care for the DAO trigger

I agree but in my opinion "fun to shoot" and "single stack CC" have never gone hand in hand.

Jbabbler
September 7, 2010, 02:12 PM
+1 for the Kahr CW9. They go for around $375-$400 around here.

bdb benzino
September 7, 2010, 02:20 PM
+2 for the CW9, love mine.

VegasAR15
September 7, 2010, 02:24 PM
+1 for the Taurus PT 709.

9mmepiphany
September 7, 2010, 02:26 PM
The gun that jumped immediately to mind was the H&K P7 until I read your price limit...even the Le trade-ins are more than that.

At the lower price point, I'd look seriously at the Kahr CW9 in DAO and the LE trade-in Sig P6 (service version of their 225) for a DA/SA trigger like your S&W 3913.

The Sig P6 is every bit as reliable as the S&W and offers superior accuracy. I'd change out the mainspring as the German Police spec'd a 24lb spring :eek: and it would run just as well with a 19lb...or even an 18lb. They have some holster wear, but every one I've seen...about 12 (I own 2)...has been solid

crew
September 7, 2010, 02:41 PM
Walther PPS 9 mm Single stack. easy and fun to shoot. also proving that reliability issues seem solved

gofastman
September 7, 2010, 02:49 PM
I agree but in my opinion "fun to shoot" and "single stack CC" have never gone hand in hand.
yeah, but I think the PF9 is particularly crappy, most likely due to its weight. I guess you cant have your cake and eat it too.

BlindJustice
September 7, 2010, 02:52 PM
Hey, wbwanzer

The 3913 was succeeded by the CS9 or CHiefs SPecial and now in
current production the S&W 908 - and it is real close to your
stated budget - it's got a black 'economy' or plain blue/black finiehs
8 shot single stack Used under your budget

Randall M

9mmepiphany
September 7, 2010, 03:11 PM
Walther PPS 9 mm Single stack.
I think it is slightly over his budget

TexasBill
September 7, 2010, 03:15 PM
Seems to me the ideal pistol would be the Walther PPS but the best price I have been able to find is about $600.00.

You might see if you could find a Bersa Thunder ultra compact 9mm. It hits your price point but I believe it has a double stack magazine.

The Ruger KP95 also has a good price but, once again, it's a double-stack magazine

By something bigger, I assume you mean caliber. Bud's Gun Shop has the Smith & Wesson Model 637 or Model 642, five-shot revolvers chambered for .38 Special +P that is definitely more powerful than the LCP's .380ACP. The little S&W snubbie conceals very well. Bud's price is $418.00 and they do offer financing. You will have to pay a local FFL to receive the gun. I've seen the 442 locally for $449.00.

Ala Dan
September 7, 2010, 03:20 PM
Again, another vote for the Kahr CW-9~! ;) :D

*But, my all time favorite single-stack 9m/m is the Smith & Wesson model 39 and 39-2~!

lions
September 7, 2010, 03:39 PM
Again, another vote for the Kahr CW-9~!

Better make that one more! I carry it every day.

ByAnyMeans
September 7, 2010, 03:50 PM
For the price I would check out a Keltec PF9 and have lots of money for ammo. I carry the p3at and love it.

IF not I do not think you could go wrong with a trade in Sig P6.

ATBackPackin
September 7, 2010, 04:28 PM
+ Kahr CW9 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_51/products_id/18442). It's only six dollars over and I'm sure you can find someone to do a cheap transfer. If not a used one would definitely be in his range. For the money you are going to have a hard time finding a better cc 9mm. I have one and I cannot say enough about it for cc.

Shawn

ATBackPackin
September 7, 2010, 04:34 PM
I agree but in my opinion "fun to shoot" and "single stack CC" have never gone hand in hand.

That is one of my favorite reasons for the CW9. I can put a lot of rounds down range and I don't find it even the slightest bit uncomfortable. We all know that practice is how you become proficient.

However I have heard that the PF9 is not a fun gun at the range.

Shawn

BlindJustice
September 7, 2010, 05:08 PM
Checked the S&W site and they've changed format again for the worse

I recall the 908 is 8+1 single stack, stainless steel slide, and alloy frame but black overall finish, Forged barrel 3.5" or 4" Bbl. leng. and S&W's customer serivce is tops - I've only had a small problem with one of my 6 S&Ws I've owned.

Good luck,

Randall

Creature
September 7, 2010, 05:18 PM
Sig P225 ...or a get a used German Police Sig P6:

http://i53.servimg.com/u/f53/12/63/91/01/p6_ccw15.jpg

Jim PHL
September 7, 2010, 06:52 PM
S+W 3953.
DAO version of the 3913 he likes. I believe they were made in smaller numbers than the 3913 but also seem less popular. The last few times I've seen them in shops they've been under $400. (Under $350, actually.) Great carry gun. Thing I like best about this series is they're big enough to be fun and accurate shooters but small enough to carry easily. Your "carry gun" and your "range gun" are the same gun!

The Lone Haranguer
September 7, 2010, 07:06 PM
Although I am a fan of the 3913, if it simply isn't in the budget, the Kahr CW9 is almost as good. If this is important, it is also quite a bit smaller, but holds one less round as a consequence.

phoglund
September 7, 2010, 07:18 PM
I'm also a fan of the Kahr CW9. Lightweight, easy to conceal, nice smooth trigger action and a pretty good shooter. Very easy gun to conceal. For lightweight carry I use either a CW9 or a S&W 638.

Paul

gwnorth
September 7, 2010, 07:44 PM
Given the budget, you could get a nice Makarov 9x18 for under $400. Not quite the punch of a 9x19 round, but still a very capable round. I've seen very good condition Mak's going for as little as $250-$300.

lathedog
September 7, 2010, 10:12 PM
I really like the PF-9 for its size, weight, and reliability. The light weight makes it tough to shoot a lot, especially one handed. The trigger is a bit rough, but not really bad and I have been able to get similar accuracy from it to other larger pistols that are easier to shoot. Mine has always been 100% reliable with various brands of ammo to include hollowpoints.

For ultimate concealment, and priced at about $300, I'd give the PF-9 a hard look.

If I wanted better shootability and could live with relatively less concealability, I'd look for a used Sig P-6 police trade-in at around $400.

Lucky Derby
September 7, 2010, 10:23 PM
Sig P6

MICHAEL T
September 7, 2010, 11:19 PM
kahr cw-9 can be fond used at this price. Wife took mine for her pistol .Only had 2 days before she found it.

bdb benzino
September 8, 2010, 12:12 AM
For lightweight carry I use either a CW9 or a S&W 638.

Great taste in handguns sir, those happen to be my two most carried pistols!

Mudinyeri
September 8, 2010, 09:17 AM
kahr cw-9 can be fond used at this price. Wife took mine for her pistol .Only had 2 days before she found it.
They can be found NEW for $400. I'll pile on to the CW9 band wagon. My CW is a 40, but the CW9 is just as good and arguably a friendlier shooter.

joe_security
September 8, 2010, 09:34 AM
S&W 908.... A cut rate version of the 3913. Look for a used one. Trijicon makes night sights for it when budget allows.

harmon rabb
September 8, 2010, 09:38 AM
taurus pt-709. great design, great trigger, soaks up recoil like a full size. mine has been flawless since day 1.

at the $400 and under price range, i can't think of a better choice. if he could spend more, check out the kahr pm9, of course.

Grizzly16
September 8, 2010, 10:18 AM
I've got a pf-9 and will probably be shelving it for now. I has had about 4 feed errors out of 250 rounds. I know one of those is probably limp wrist related. I have not done the fluff n buff that ktog seems to recommend yet either. Where as with my same shooting style an XD sub compact, HK compact, Khar CW40 and CW45 (haven't shot a 9m yet) and 1911 compact (cant remember if it is the officer or what the official name for it is) have not had those problems. For something that is going to be a life saver I'd rather up the budget and get something I feel 100% carrying around.

MattTheHat
September 8, 2010, 10:26 AM
The sweetest CC carry 9mm pistol I own is the Walter PPS. Even with the 8-round mag, it's very easy to conceal. Nice shooter, too. It is a smidge outside of your price range, but not by too far.

-Matt

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