Hi guys, just put a deposit on an RRA LAR-8 mid-length. Hope to bring it home in in 2-4 weeks, depending on how work goes. This is a 16" barrel w/ a flat top receiver. I know good glass is worth every penny, but I also know I am not going to let this thing sit in the corner till I can pony up something ridiculous like $1,500 for one of the new 4x32 ACOGS for .308's. This will be a range toy typically fired at 100 yards, occasionally less, occasionally out to the 300+ yard mark. The genuine trijicon ACOG seems rather unnecessary/wasted on a plinker. I would prefer something along the lines of a 4x32 fixed power small scope/red dot. Ideally something relatively small that is still fast to acquire a picture at fairly close range; if that means accuracy at 150+ yards suffers - so be it. Rather than throw away $200 on temporary optics just to shoot it while saving the pennies for something nicer, can anyone offer a recommendation for a more permanent solution in the $300-600 mark? Appreciate the help, as always! :D
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September 9, 2010, 09:20 PM
The Weaver 4x38 fixed power scope is just about the value champion of all of scopedom, with fully multicoated optics made in Japan for about $140. I have one, if you want a fixed 4x there is little to improve upon.
SWFA has had some of the compact ACOG models on clearance for only $550 or so, might be worth a look:
The ring mount ACOGs will require an $80 ring mount to work, FYI.
Either one of those options won't be getting junked when you have money and inclination for something nicer.
There are also a lot of good quality 2-7x and 3-9x scope options under $300, including the Bushnell Elite 3200 and 4200, Vortex Diamondback and Viper, Nikon Team Primos (same as prior generation Monarch), Weaver Grand Slam, and other options. Don't forget $20+ for decent rings - some will laugh at such a low number, but $25-30 will get you Warne rings that are well made (in the US) and very solid.
September 9, 2010, 09:34 PM
VXII 2-7X33 LRD or possibly 4-12X40 if its going to be a paper puncher. I like the mini risers and Leupold QRW or PRW rings very much.
these are not red dots, though I would go Accupoint with the amber triangle if you wanted that type of scope.
September 9, 2010, 10:44 PM
At that price and limited to those ranges, I would get a top of the line red dot like the Aimpoint with a 2 MOA dot. This will allow a decent amount of precision out to 300 yards while being very fast at closer distances. The Aimpoints have a battery life measured literally in years and a reputation for being very durable. If you find the need for more magnification in the future, you can hook up a 3x magnifier.
September 10, 2010, 01:10 AM
Since you got the mid length, I'll assume that you want to keep the rig pretty compact.
I don't know if you've ever shot with an ACOG. I'd stay away unless you have a compelling reason to go that route. I'll say most (because I haven't used them all) of the 4X ACOGs have lousy eye relief. Something like 1.5". They are very uncomfortable to use. There are 1.5X, 3X and 3.5X models with more forgiving eye relief though. The thing is that the ACOG really isn't a good scope. It's a good piece of battle gear. That's what they were/are designed to be. They have a very unique illumination system that works, but the optical quality is only on the better side of mediocre. They are very tough. I doubt that you could kill one if you tried, but it's only built for shooting at man sized targets. I had a TA33 3X ACOG and sold it the week after I got it because it wasn't nearly as clear and didn't have nearly the resolution of the little Sightron Big Sky 1.25-5X scope that I had. The funny thing was that I paid over $800 for the ACOG and only $300 for the Sightron.
As far as red dots go, I do like them and the concept. I don't use one any more because my eyes aren't what they used to be, but I do run a 1.5X ACOG on my general purpose rifle. It operates just like a red dot in use. They are good for close in, but I wouldn't call it a 300 yard optic. Maybe for war, but not for sporting use and not on a .308. There's just no way in hell that I could hit a clay pigeon at 300 yards using a red dot. As for using a magnifier, I don't know. They are heavy, the optical quality sucks, they have super short eye relief and are a PITA. The only guys that I know that like them are guys that are trained to use them. If you do go with a red dot, go with an Aimpoint. Tough as nails, the batteries last forever, and you'll never have to worry about it. Put in on the rifle, turn it on and there it stays. I had an Aimpoint that was about 15 years old and it was still working right up until it was stolen a couple of years of ago.
Again, I'm assuming that you want to stay on the compact side. If for some reason, you decide that dropping around $1500 on an ACOG will be worth it, I highly recommend that you at least check out the Nightforce 1-4X. At $1200, the optical quality will far surpass that of the ACOG and it really isn't that much bigger or heavier. If you want to stay in your price range of $300 to $600, I'd first recommend the Sightron SII Big Sky 1.25-5X. It's a compact little scope with great glass and very repeatable adjustments. You'd have to spend a whole lot more money to get an appreciably better scope. If you can stretch you budget a little, there is the Trijicon Accupoint 1-4X. It's probably the most popular of the Accupoint line. I'm not crazy about the optical quality, but the triangle reticle is really neat and easy to use.
Of course, once you get the scope, you'll need to mount it. That's going to be another couple hundred. Don't cheap out on the mount. Especially on an AR type of rig. It's really advantageous to go with a one piece mount for your scope's sake. To stay in your price range, I'd go with the Sightron and then take your pick of Larue, American Defense or Bobro for the mount. Check out manventureoutpost.com Good deals there.
September 12, 2010, 02:27 AM
I appreciate all of your advice, you guys have given me many products to research before I pick up the rifle. I had no Idea red dots could be as nice as the Aimpoints... some great traditional scope suggestions too. Thanks guys! :)
September 12, 2010, 10:41 AM
Check out the IOR Valdada fixed 3x scopes. A little mag for finer shooting but it retains a great field of view.