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boostedxt
September 10, 2010, 08:08 PM
I just went out and handled a Kahr CW9 and I really liked it. I really liked how thin it was. I am thinking of picking one up....$425 new. I currently have an XDSC9 that has been a great gun and has never had any issues, a 92FS which I will never get rid of, and a CZ40P That has had some loading issues. I want to add the CW9 but I would need to get rid of one other gun first per request of my wife....I might be able to pull it off and have her be completely cool with it.

The XD has been my current carry gun, but I am thinking replacing it with the Cw9??? Thoughts on the gun?

Thanks
Joe

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jon86
September 10, 2010, 08:57 PM
a CZ40P That has had some loading issues

Get rid of the CZ. Then also, you will only have to stock up on one caliber. Simplicity.

boostedxt
September 10, 2010, 09:18 PM
but i love my CZ...:( i dont wanna sell any as they all serve a purpose. the CZ is in the bedroom with the shot gun, xd on my hip, and 92fs stashed on my main floor. The XD could then become winter carry and living room gun....dang it!

joe

MICHAEL T
September 10, 2010, 09:31 PM
Sell the CZ40P That has had some loading issues. and buy the CW9 how ever don't if married let wife find it. I got to fire 1 mag be fore she tried it and laid claim . Was to be my 9mm carry now hers

G27RR
September 10, 2010, 09:34 PM
I can't say which to get rid of, but I have a CW9 and a PM9 and they are both solid guns and good shooters. The CW9 pretty much disappears in an IWB holster but still allows a pretty full grip for shooting and decent capacity. The triggers are nice a smooth but a bit long in travel. If I hadn't converted over to 1911s, I'd still be carrying my CW9.

boostedxt
September 10, 2010, 10:12 PM
the big thing for me is I love to wear shorts and a tshirt. The XD, although perfect when running my defense round through it and I am very accurate with it, is a bit bulky for just a t-shirt. I might just buy the Kahr and see what I think of it.

joe

WillDe83
September 11, 2010, 02:38 PM
Go shoot the Kahr and compare it with your XD, then make the decision.

I have been looking at the PM9 for conceal, but cant pull the trigger on one yet and its been a year now.

Skylerbone
September 11, 2010, 02:53 PM
Perhaps you should offer to take your wife shoe and purse shopping. Then, at the store, offer to buy her a new pair and bag (pun intended) if she will get rid of a few old ones; ) My wife has to approve of my pistol purchases too and sadly for me she really liked the last 9mm I bought. I do love the fact that she goes to the range with me now. Could that be the sollution to your present quandry?

harmon rabb
September 11, 2010, 03:30 PM
I think I'm almost happier that my wife isn't as into guns as I'd like her to be. She'll come to the range with me on occasion, and doesn't give a flying rat's arse how many guns I own, but she's just not that interested in them herself. But that means she won't confiscate a new gun that I buy :D

boostedxt
September 11, 2010, 06:11 PM
The thing is we are buying a house with in the next year. My brain says..."sweet we have the 20% down plus 20% there in case! Time to buy more guns and fun stuff!" Her brain says we dont know where life will take us so lets have more money in the bank, how many guns do you really need? haha

Its all good...she is cool with me buying stuff, its just i have really expensive hobbies..:)

joe

boostedxt
September 13, 2010, 01:50 AM
one of the many reasons why I love my wife dearly....went for a walk tonight. Talking about the gun and she asked me..."Could you get rid of the CZ and not regret it at all?" I told her that I like all my guns, but getting the Kahr will fill about a 15% void where I struggle to carry right now. The Kahr would be much smaller and conceal easier. She replied with..."Ok...well dont get rid of any of the guns, and go get the kahr."

:confused: <----me
:) <-----Her

lol
joe

Full Metal Jacket
September 13, 2010, 03:11 AM
i wouldn't sell anything to buy a kahr. google reviews, and you'll find their reliability is nowhere near cz/glock/sig/hk.

Jed Carter
September 13, 2010, 06:05 AM
I agree, don't sell anything to buy the Kahr. It is nice that you and your wife are true partners and discuss finances and major purchases. There would be a lot less credit problems if this was the norm, if you have a revolving credit balance then pay it down or off first. If you are buying a house then use credit sparingly and pay off all credit card balances monthly, your credit scores will increase and the interest rate on your impending mortgage will be lower. As a result you will save enough over the life of your mortgage to buy a hundred Kahrs, but who would want to.

boostedxt
September 13, 2010, 12:01 PM
Zero Credit Card Debt
Zero Auto loan debt
Zero student loan debt
Our credit is spotless

The only debt we have is a mortgage payment for our current home. :) What we have above and beyond goes into house down payment, fun account, and retirement. We discuss anything and everything...especially finances. Generally if its below $400 we dont discuss it, but i brought it up because I know that she would want to talk about it.

I agree about reliability, however my CZ is the only gun in the group that has been giving me issues. I am 99% sure its a weak mag spring, but yeah....I dont carry it or have it in a position where I would depend on it.

joe

Tilos
September 13, 2010, 12:15 PM
I just posted this in a regret selling thread but also applies here:

I have a small circle of friends that "buy" each others guns when money is needed.
We keep these guns within the group and the original owner can "buy" his gun back, for the same amount, at any time.

Kind of like a private pawn club

bdb benzino
September 13, 2010, 05:43 PM
i wouldn't sell anything to buy a kahr. google reviews, and you'll find their reliability is nowhere near cz/glock/sig/hk.


Funny how people with no experience with the pistol in question always seem to pop up and throw in their eperienceless veiw. Both the Kahrs I have had have been flawless, a CW45 and CW9.

boostedxt
September 13, 2010, 06:06 PM
thanks for the input bdb! I am excited at having one. Its perfect for shorts and tshirt weather!

joe

Mudinyeri
September 13, 2010, 06:14 PM
Funny how people with no experience with the pistol in question always seem to pop up and throw in their eperienceless veiw. Both the Kahrs I have had have been flawless, a CW45 and CW9.
Well, said.

I DO have experience with Kahrs and ... Berettas and ... XD's (no CZ's). The Kahr trigger is VERY different. Make sure you shoot it before you buy it. It's taken me some time to get used to it.

jyo
September 13, 2010, 06:43 PM
I have two Kahr CW9 pistols (one for me, one for wifey)---both run 100% after small problem with mag releases (fixed with new parts free from Kahr)---slim, lightweight, reliable and shoot right to point of aim. These pistols are very easy to hide on your person, they do require some shooting time to get used to the trigger---no big thing---trigger is like a VERY good DAO revolver---run some rounds thru it! PS; Never sell any good guns unless life or death---you will regret it! PPS; my brother also carries a CW9. I should also put in a good word for the Walther PPS 9mm.

Full Metal Jacket
September 13, 2010, 07:02 PM
Funny how people with no experience with the pistol in question always seem to pop up and throw in their eperienceless veiw. Both the Kahrs I have had have been flawless, a CW45 and CW9.

who said i have no experience with khar? you know what they say about assumption...

bdb benzino
September 13, 2010, 07:11 PM
Well do you?

Full Metal Jacket
September 13, 2010, 08:44 PM
yes.

boostedxt
September 13, 2010, 11:49 PM
can we not turn this thread into a my dad can beat up your dad debate?


thanks
joe

Full Metal Jacket
September 13, 2010, 11:51 PM
:confused:

boostedxt
September 14, 2010, 12:16 AM
do a google search, not dependable

I love my kahr, its very dependable

mine too!

who said I dont have experience with them?

do you?

yes


banter back and forth doesnt solve anything.:) I want your experience with them, the google reviews you read. stuff like that. 1 word answers back and forth dont accomplish anything.

make sense? :)
could you please add your experiences with kahr to my other thread? I would GREATLY appreciate it!

Thanks
joe

Full Metal Jacket
September 14, 2010, 12:38 AM
could you please add your experiences with kahr to my other thread? I would GREATLY appreciate it!

well, since you asked:

the khars i've had experience with had ammo specific reliability. certain jhp's would work, and others wouldn't. particularly the gold 124grn +p 9mm.

i've seen khars with odd problems like barrel hood peening, and frame and rails broken, but most issues are with feeding reliability. some of my friends got great CS out of khar, and some didn't. i've met folks that have had no probs.

not worth the risk for what they cost. there's too many autos out there that'll feed anything, and at a cheaper price to bother with kahr. JMHO.

boostedxt
September 14, 2010, 12:45 AM
The CW9 is about $400...do you still feel that way about price?

Thanks for the info!

Joe

millertyme
September 14, 2010, 12:52 AM
Smoking deal. For that price on a pistol like that I would find out which ammo it fed 100% and stock up on it and not worry about feeding it something it finds "disagreeable"

DasFriek
September 14, 2010, 01:10 AM
I know one thing i wouldn't get rid of an XD SC for a CW9.
I know you say you wont get rid of the 92fs but what purpose does it serve?
As long as the CZ is a reliable shooter i wouldn't trade it either for the Kahr.

Now if you were talking about a Kahr PM9 i could see trading in the XD or CZ as i feel the PM9 is a better CCW weapon.

Full Metal Jacket
September 14, 2010, 01:17 AM
The CW9 is about $400...do you still feel that way about price?

it's all yours ;)

due to your ardent defense of kahr it's pretty obvious your mind is already made up, and you choose to ignore all negative experiences with them. kinda defeats the whole purpose of a thread...


enjoy.

orionengnr
September 14, 2010, 08:46 PM
Both the Kahrs I have had have been flawless, a CW45 and CW9.
Similar to my experience, although mine are PM9 and P45. The P45 is on my hip as I type this.
The PM9 spent about three years in my pocket every day before the P45 displaced it. Actually, I had the barrel peening issue with my PM9 when I bought it. Kahr fixed it quickly and it's been perfect since.

STL73
September 14, 2010, 11:24 PM
keep the xdsc9.... I know how easy it is to get attached, but any firearm of mine that had the occasional hiccup would get fixed and immediately sold. I carry an xdsc40 every day, know they are a little bulky but..... if for any reason (hopefully never) I know without a doubt my little xd will go bang if I need it to.

P30shtr
September 15, 2010, 12:25 AM
Keep'em all and wait till tax time, only a couple months away. Unless you really dont care for one of them your gonna regret it. Or just save a little longer rather than ditch one now for another. You constantly hear of guys selling one to get another or just selling one regardless and regretting it down the road and, chances are your not gonna get it back for what you originally paid for it because they are always going up so... I say keep what ya got and save or wait a little bit

boostedxt
September 15, 2010, 02:07 AM
read the full thread...;)...nothing is leaving home!

FMJ: I am just trying to figure out what it is that you dont like. I liked your post above, but instead of sayin...."There are other autos out there, cheaper.......to bother with a kahr." Thats a fine statement...but fill me in on what else is out there? I have chosen the Kahr because I have held one and I liked it a lot. I worked the trigger and cycled the gun a few times. I also held the Ruger SR9C and didnt like the feel of it as much as the Kahr. The biggest selling point to me was the width of the kahr......

I am not sold on the kahr, I just want info without having to pull teeth

joe

Mudinyeri
September 15, 2010, 05:26 PM
Well, FMJ and I have had a similar discussion about Gen 4 Glocks. That said, and with the risk of being redundant, I'm heavy on personal experience with guns (less so with indirect experience and even less so with he-said/she-said interweb ramblings).

I have personally thrown hundreds (probably in excess of 1000) of rounds of all kinds of ammo downrange (reloads, cheap WWB, Remmington Sabers, you get the idea) with my CW40. Less so with my PM9 but still enough to count the gun as reliable.

The ONLY problem I have had with either gun was self-induced. After cleaning my CW40, I erroneously re-assembled it with the slide release pin over the top of the slide release spring. Of course, the slide locked back after each shot. I took it apart, noticed the problem, fixed the problem and haven't had a hiccup since.

The CW series are reliable, inexpensive, thin and lightweight. They come in multiple calibers and fit my hand well for a smaller gun. While I'm no fan-boy, I'm pretty well sold. My only complaint would be the loooong trigger pull. It's smooth but much longer than any other semi-auto that I've shot. As such, I'll reiterate my earlier statement ... shoot one before you buy one. The trigger is VERY different from your XD (I also own XD's).

Full Metal Jacket
September 15, 2010, 05:50 PM
:eek:

get a gen4 if you want! jeez lol. i prefer reliability, so i'll stick with my gen3's.

maybe you guys don't have powerful google-fu, but you can find a ton of personal experiences with gen4's.

or you can check glocktalk, ar15.com, the search tool on this forum......i don't know how to make it easier for you to find personal experiences than that!

my personal experiences stem from what i've seen at the range, and the issues the range has had with the gen4 rentals (you can only shoot their ammo through it).

Mudinyeri
September 15, 2010, 06:06 PM
:eek:

get a gen4 if you want! jeez lol. i prefer reliability, so i'll stick with my gen3's.

maybe you guys don't have powerful google-fu, but you can find a ton of personal experiences with gen4's.

or you can check glocktalk, ar15.com, the search tool on this forum......i don't know how to make it easier for you to find personal experiences than that!

my personal experiences stem from what i've seen at the range, and the issues the range has had with the gen4 rentals (you can only shoot their ammo through it).
Oh, it's not that I can't find a few personal accounts with my Google-fu. It's just my skeptical nature about things I see on the Internet vs. what I see myself or people I actually know, respect and talk to. If it wouldn't be admissable in a court of law, I tend to discount it considerably. :D

You're extrapolating reliability from range rentals?

Full Metal Jacket
September 15, 2010, 06:12 PM
Oh, it's not that I can't find a few personal accounts with my Google-fu. It's just my skeptical nature about things I see on the Internet vs. what I see myself or people I actually know, respect and talk to.



then why frequent an internet forum? google simply produces personal experiences on different forums. that's about as good as it gets short of seeing it yourself.

i've personally seen them jam with several cert glock armorers shooting them (gen4 g17/g22). i've also seen frame damage from the new recoil assembly. take it for what you will, my friend :)

boostedxt
September 15, 2010, 08:22 PM
i look at it this way.....

If kahr sold 10,000 CW9's and 100 had problems those 100 people are going to go online and bitch and complain. Now the 9,900 arent going to go online and post how much they love their Kahr. Its the same thing with cars, boats, motorcycles...everything. People need a reason to bitch and complain...and the internet is a GREAT place to do it!

Thanks for the info everyone..:)

joe

franco45
October 24, 2010, 10:26 AM
I own both a cw9 and a cw45. The cw9 has eaten everything I have put in it without one problem. It did not need the 200 round break in Kahr recommends. The cw45 did but has been dead reliable since.

ET
October 24, 2010, 12:25 PM
I don't know anything about Kahrs, but I know this:

(A): My wife knows not to ask me to sell a gun. (2): I have 2 gen 3 Glocks. I would not trade them in on gen 4 Glocks. JMHO :uhoh:

ckone
October 24, 2010, 12:42 PM
Kahr's suck, they're built to be a certain size, look a certain way, and cost a certain price, to attract a certain type of shooter (the kind that carries a lot but doesn't shoot very often, but wants something "nice"). Name one serious firearms trainer, orginization, or agency using them or recommending them, you can't, because there aren't any. Seriously, you probably cannot even find examples of any guys making it through a serious 500-1000rd handgun class with one (many of the better trainers wouldn't even let you bring one). Do you even know what their name "Kahr" means? Nothing, the Asian engineers who designed them thought "Kahr" sounded German, and since Germans were known to make good guns it would be helpful for selling them in the American market and help to defer questioning of the higher-than-usual price-points as German guns like H&K's, Walther's and Sig's are accepted as being more expensive by American shooters.

I don't want to sound like a jerk about them but I honestly hate them, I've just seen so many guys have problems with them spending lots of $$$ on "break-in" ammo only to trade them in at a shop for a huge loss (since in the private used market not many will pay their premium, the one's that will just buy new).

No reason why your 40P shouldn't run like a top, you should just get that sussed out by looking for info from some of the guys who know CZ's, hold onto it and after you get back running as it should, if you still want a new gun, figure out which one will have to go, but I would recommend a Hi-Point over a Kahr since you wouldn't have to let go of one of your guns to get one.

DonRon
October 24, 2010, 01:09 PM
Kahr's suck, they're built to be a certain size, look a certain way, and cost a certain price, to attract a certain type of shooter (the kind that carries a lot but doesn't shoot very often, but wants something "nice"). Name one serious firearms trainer, orginization, or agency using them or recommending them, you can't, because there aren't any. Seriously, you probably cannot even find examples of any guys making it through a serious 500-1000rd handgun class with one (many of the better trainers wouldn't even let you bring one). Do you even know what their name "Kahr" means? Nothing, the Asian engineers who designed them thought "Kahr" sounded German, and since Germans were known to make good guns it would be helpful for selling them in the American market and help to defer questioning of the higher-than-usual price-points as German guns like H&K's, Walther's and Sig's are accepted as being more expensive by American shooters.

I don't want to sound like a jerk about them but I honestly hate them, I've just seen so many guys have problems with them spending lots of $$$ on "break-in" ammo only to trade them in at a shop for a huge loss (since in the private used market not many will pay their premium, the one's that will just buy new).

No reason why your 40P shouldn't run like a top, you should just get that sussed out by looking for info from some of the guys who know CZ's, hold onto it and after you get back running as it should, if you still want a new gun, figure out which one will have to go, but I would recommend a Hi-Point over a Kahr since you wouldn't have to let go of one of your guns to get one.
Wow Kahr sucks! That is to certain people it seems. Most of us know that the Kahr design is specifically targeted, pardon the pun, at the CCW market. They are authorized for off duty CC by several law enforcement agencies. Boston PD, NYPD, and Philly PD come to mind real quick for me. But I am just a Certain Person.

SonofGilnockie89
October 25, 2010, 12:56 PM
Being fairly new to the handgun scene I couldn't speculate on which I would cash out on but I love my CW9. The only gripe I had for it was the magazine when new (I have never felt a spring that strong). I have had no issues with reliability so far with approximately 500 rounds down range and its size is perfect for hot weather concealment.

Safe shooting

PapaG
October 25, 2010, 01:46 PM
Bought a Kahr CW9 about a year and a half ago. No problems. It is a spritely thing with "defense" ammo but no worse than a J frame with plus p. Belt slide holster and it disappears under a loose shirt. Carried it on vacation last year in the south.....Here in the RepubliK of IL we can't do that.

I'm getting a Glock 19 through an employee purchase program and it may become the new carry piece but we'll see.

GunTech
October 25, 2010, 02:25 PM
DonRon, how many Kahrs have you owned? I can't speak to the polymer guns, but I own several steel frame and all have been 100% Kahr does advise swapping out the mainspring fairly often, but I have yet to do so.

I probably have about 5,000 rounds through my original K9 and about the only issue I have noticed is the trigger has gotten much smother over time.

As noted, the pistol is authorized by several agencies, including the NYPD. The latter eventually dropped the Karh due to the light trigger pull. The Guns were specified to have a 7 pound trigger, but after break in they would test as low as 4 pounds. NYPD specs their Glocks with 12 pound trigger. A light trigger handgun is not politically correct in the NYPD.

Luis Leon
October 25, 2010, 06:49 PM
I recently had the same dilemma. I wanted the CW 9 and contemplated selling one of my current toys. Decided against selling. Was finally approved by the missus, there is a CW9 on my hip as I type this. It went through the 200 round break in without ANY malfunctions of ANY kind. The accuracy at 7, 10 and 15 yards is MORE than adequate for ANY self defense purpose that I can envision. Though my competition gun is a CZ75b and I'm used to the da/sa trigger. The double action trigger on the Kahr while long is smooth. I love the form factor. I just received two extra Kahr magazines today. I will be shooting the CW9 at our Tuesday night pistol action league tomorrow. All in all very happy with my purchase. Previously carrying a J-frame in front right pocket.

best regards,

Luis Leon

P.S. I believe Kahr has hit a home run with its CW line of pistols. Fairly priced, service calibers, reliable and very easy to conceal comfortably.

m2steven
October 26, 2010, 03:17 AM
I own a Kahr E9 and PM9. The Kahr trigger is as nice as a double action trigger can get. It's perfect. You won't pull your pistol off target pulling the trigger. It's smooth as silk.

The quality control on these pistols is excellent. You really can't tell one from another by operating them. They all feel good in the hand and all have the same great trigger. They are making some models with a slightly shortened pull.

I've never had a problem with either of my Kahrs. They are both perfect. They are reliable and super accurate.

The ONE complaint about Kahr pistols concerns a certain polymer model of one of their 40 caliber guns. Some people grasp this firearm in such a manner that they slightly flex the frame and the result is misfeeds or FTEs.

Almost ANY pistol can have feeding/ejecting issues with different brands of
poorly finished hollow point ammunition. Tiny burrs on bullets will stop them dead in their tracks into a barrel.

If you really want to feel secure with your carry pistol, shoot hardball roundnose or wadcutter ammo and put them where they need to go if the time arises. With 9mm, I don't think there is much difference in damage between hollow point or hardball. Overpenetration is not a myth, but it's
highly overblown.

Happy Shooting!

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