best place to buy Federal HST 147gr +P? (P9HST4)


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gofastman
September 15, 2010, 02:49 PM
A place by my house carries it, but doesn't have any in stock and says it could be up to 90 days before they get more.

where is a good place to get it online?

also, whats the deal with the +P rating on this stuff? it looks like they only bumped the velocity up by about 50fps, I would assume that would just barley make it into +p territory pressure wise :confused:

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swinokur
September 15, 2010, 05:49 PM
www.ammunitiontogo.com

gofastman
September 15, 2010, 09:06 PM
^I see HydraShocks, but no Tactical HST

swinokur
September 15, 2010, 09:19 PM
they are out of stock sometimes. I have bought both 40 S & W and 45 ACP HST from them. You kinda have to check frequently. I will say I have not purchased 9mm from them.

Their prices are pretty competitive and delivery is fast.

Shawn Dodson
September 15, 2010, 09:51 PM
$35.00/50 rds

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-9HST

+P relates to cartridge pressure (increased pressure above SAAMI standard specification)

Increased pressure may produce only modest velocity increase

IMO the $10 added cost for the +P load isn't worth it

Standard 147gr is $2500/50 rds

gofastman
September 15, 2010, 10:24 PM
$35.00/50 rds

http://www.policehq.com/Products/FC-9HST

+P relates to cartridge pressure (increased pressure above SAAMI standard specification)

Increased pressure may produce only modest velocity increase

IMO the $10 added cost for the +P load isn't worth it

Standard 147gr is $2500/50 rds
that's the place by my house, lol

My question about the +P part of it was more that order to bump that velocity up 50fps
how much far over the 35,000psi mark do they have to go? surely they wouldn't load it up to 38,500 and only gain 50fps, or would they???
in other words, compared to other +P loads I'm guessing this is relatively mild, more of an advertising thing?

Shawn Dodson
September 15, 2010, 10:53 PM
Different bullet designs have different resistance as they travel down the bore and this may be a factor here. More resistance = more pressure. More resistance = modest velocity increase.

Full Metal Jacket
September 15, 2010, 11:26 PM
i think i would go for the +p 147grn. not a fan of that weight in 9mm at all, and HST is the only brand i would use for that. don't think i'd pay $10/box extra for it though....

HGUNHNTR
September 16, 2010, 10:31 AM
Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

Shawn Dodson
September 16, 2010, 01:18 PM
+P isn't necessary for reliable consistent terminal performance with the HST 147gr bullet. So, yeah, why pay extra for "premium" when it provides no performance increase over "regular".

HGUNHNTR
September 16, 2010, 01:37 PM
^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?

gofastman
September 16, 2010, 01:43 PM
the only reason im looking at the +P stuff is that im shooting it out of a 3.2" barrel.
I find 147gr loads easier to shoot for some reason, even the super duper hot doubletap stuff.

gofastman
September 16, 2010, 02:45 PM
I just ordered some from KylesGunshop.com
we'll see if that will tide me over till Streicher's gets more in stock

Shawn Dodson
September 16, 2010, 02:52 PM
HGUNHTR writes: ^ Can you cite evidence for this claim? With a velocity gain of 50 fps I don't feel compelled to provide any evidence.

gofastman: I carry a Kahr PM-9, which has a 3" bbl. I load it with Speer 124gr Gold Dot +P.

gofastman
September 16, 2010, 03:00 PM
yes but the PM9 has polygonal rifling which boost velocity considerably, right?

Full Metal Jacket
September 16, 2010, 03:29 PM
Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

times how many boxes the OP wants to order? yes, that factors in with me. :scrutiny:


^ Can you cite evidence for this claim?

google is your friend. there's a million expansion tests for this round that substantiate what he posted. HST is probably the only 147gr 9mm that expands with near perfect consistency.

lions
September 16, 2010, 05:31 PM
Really? SD ammo and you are worried about a ten dollar bill?

There is a big difference between saving $10 and getting a subpar product, and saving $10 and getting a perfectly legitimate product. I'm glad to pay for quality SD ammo, I just don't like to overpay for what I get.

HGUNHNTR
September 17, 2010, 12:43 AM
My time is also worth money, and the amount of time spent talking this intot he ground has accumulated to more than $10.

lions
September 17, 2010, 12:45 AM
My time is also worth money, and the amount of time spent talking this into the ground has accumulated to more than $10.

I either need a better job or you need to type faster.:D

gofastman
September 21, 2010, 10:29 PM
well I got the stuff today.
It looks like really good ammo; wide, deep cavity in the bullet, sealant around the primers (I think that's what it is) and shiny nickle plated brass.
cant wait to run the stuff out of my new PT709 and get some results with the new chrony!

Manco
September 22, 2010, 01:09 AM
yes but the PM9 has polygonal rifling which boost velocity considerably, right?

I've never seen compelling evidence that polygonal rifling has such an effect. :scrutiny:

gym
September 23, 2010, 03:36 PM
I like the powerball ammo for HD. Wikipedia, "i think that's how you spell it" has a very good explanation of polygonal rifling, along with what it actually does and does not do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

DasFriek
September 23, 2010, 04:06 PM
For Winchester Ranger T-Series which i like just as much as the HST this place has the best prices.
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/9mm-9x19
I use the T-series in my .40 and .45 both for ccw.

ammunitiontogo seems to carry the HST in the .40 and .45 more than the 9mm iirc.
But they are always priced higher than SGammo, But ive bought from both places and happy with both also.

Manco
September 23, 2010, 04:22 PM
Wikipedia, "i think that's how you spell it" has a very good explanation of polygonal rifling, along with what it actually does and does not do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

I'd hardly call a list of unsubstantiated claims a good explanation. :scrutiny: Some of them don't even make inherent sense, such as the first one: "Not compromising the barrel's thickness in the area of each groove as with traditional rifling." Oh, really? So how does a non-cylindrical bore not have such a "compromise" in barrels that are generally cylindrical on the outside? Some areas must be thinner than others when the shapes are not identical, right? This sure makes me wonder how well-researched and supported the other claims must be....

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