Wanting a new pistol...need some imput


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bang_bang
September 18, 2010, 09:53 AM
I'm itching for a new pistol...except I'm not sure on what flavor to get. I currently own:
Kel-Tec P11 9mm
Rock Island 4-inch 45acp
Dan Wesson 357 4-inch
S&W 22A

The Rock Island and Kel-Tec get carried the most out of the group, the S&W gets shot the most. The Dan Wesson fits in there somewhere, but takes a lot of hunting trips.

I really have a thing for compact and subcompact pistols, therefore I'll be naming several that fit into that criteria. I *almost* considered a LCP, but I'm wanting something cheap to shoot and reliable so I'm sticking with 9mm. When it comes to practice, the Kel-Tec is not much fun due to its light-weight, sharp recoil, and heavy trigger pull; far beyond what I want in an all-around plinking/CCW.

I have picked some options, which I have either looked at or shot. Price isn't as much as an issue, as long as it doesn't get too far over $525-ish.

Ruger SR9 Compact
Glock 26
Sig P250
Possibly a used Springfield XD or S&W MP

I really like the feel of the SR9, but haven't shot one. I've shot a Glock 26 several times, liked the feel and know it's an accurate pistol. The Sig, XD, and MP are pretty much strangers outside of a gunshop.

Thoughts?

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wbwanzer
September 18, 2010, 11:21 AM
You can find these used. It's a S&W 3913. Single stack 9mm so it's kind of small but not too small and could be carried easily. Second picture is the 3913 next to a Stoeger (Beretta) Cougar.
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/SW3913001.jpg
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/wbwanzer/3913comparison002.jpg

bang_bang
September 18, 2010, 01:04 PM
Also...do any of you think I should look into something chambered in 40 S&W? I'm unfamiliar with the round, but it seems somewhat inexpensive to shoot as well.

wow6599
September 18, 2010, 01:07 PM
Also...do any of you think I should look into something chambered in 40 S&W?
No. Look at the real .40 cal.....10mm in a Glock 29 SF or 20 SF.

bang_bang
September 18, 2010, 01:12 PM
The only 10mm I would own would be in a 1911 platform. That will come later after I fill in a few gaps like my current issue. Not to mention that 10mm is somewhat hard to find in my neck of the woods.

LaserSpot
September 18, 2010, 01:27 PM
I haven't tried one of these, but how about an all-steel Kahr MK9? It's smaller and thinner than your Kel-Tec P11; I'm pretty sure it has a better trigger. It's a little more expensive, but you can sell the P11 to make up the difference.

http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_mk.html
http://www.kahr.com/imgs/mdtl_m9093.jpg

MikePGS
September 18, 2010, 01:28 PM
In my opinion there isn't really that great of a difference between .40 and 9mm if you are using quality ammunition.

Zerodefect
September 18, 2010, 06:04 PM
I haven't tried one of these, but how about an all-steel Kahr MK9? It's smaller and thinner than your Kel-Tec P11; I'm pretty sure it has a better trigger. It's a little more expensive, but you can sell the P11 to make up the difference.

http://www.kahr.com/PA-1_9mm_mk.html
http://www.kahr.com/imgs/mdtl_m9093.jpg

Is the Mk9 the same as the PM9 only steel?

LaserSpot
September 18, 2010, 10:25 PM
Is the Mk9 the same as the PM9 only steel?Yes, the height, width and length are the same, it's just heavier. The other difference is it has removable grip panels so you have more options to dress it up. If you want a laser, you can use laser grips instead of the type that clips in front of the trigger guard and interferes with holstering. The extra heft would reduce recoil and increase fondleability.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/kevinmichaeldick/KahrMK9.jpg

http://www.crimsontrace.com/images/products/lg461.jpg

bds
September 19, 2010, 09:58 AM
bang_bang:
what I want in an all-around plinking/CCW.
Hard to beat Glock 27 with Lone Wolf 40-9 conversion barrel.

My G27 shoots as accurate as my G22 at 7-15 yard ranges and 9mm conversion barrel allows you to shoot the cheaper 9mm rounds with the factory magazine.

As to CCW duty, G27 is the same size as G26 and it is a very carry-able pistol.

I have added Pearce +1 mag base extension for better grip (and +1 capacity), but many shoot without it.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:n-8Hsg5bnJsLnM:http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y250/rug357/Pistols/GLOCK263.jpg&t=1

Skylerbone
September 19, 2010, 03:23 PM
If you're interested in 40 S&W as a range gun, I can attest to it costing more for ammo. When I say ammo, I really mean bullets as I reload my own exclusively. My 9mms are cheaper to load for though the difference is only $4.oo/100. Shooting lead (at your own risk) reduces the difference further but for those seeking factory loaded ammo, 9mm is the way to go cost-wise.

I bought a S&W M&P 40 Full Size back in March and have since added a 9c and 9L to the M&P collection. Some common traits: 100% reliable thus far, easy to care for, soft shooting/good recoil management, accurate, easy to work on, easy to accessorize.

The first one I bought at Cabelas with a sale price of $550 - a $75 coupon - my Cabelas rewards point for just a hair under $467 after taxes and the only box of factory ammo I ever put through it. It's scratching at 2,000 rounds now and will likely hit that mark next month with zero failures.

The compact 40 has an available 9mm aftermarket barrel for $150, allowing a drop-in caliber change with just a new magazine. S&W has a $50 rebate or 2 free magazines promotion which you could use for different mags. X-Grip makes a rubber sleeve that slips on to a standard magazine (9mm or 40) that acts as a grip extension allowing you to use full size mags in the compact (You can use the 17 round in the compact without it but it feels a bit awkward, I tried it).

Nothing wrong with the Glock idea save ergonomics (my wife and kids shoot too) but my money goes to American companies whenever possible. Google Sig P250 problems and you'll be scratching it from the list, Ruger is ok with the exception of aftermarket support, the XD is an import as are all SA pistols (I can practically throw a rock and hit their "assembly" facility) and as wbwanzer pointed out the 3rd Gen. Smiths are really nice too, especially for a limited budget.

DenaliPark
September 19, 2010, 05:38 PM
Regarding the OP's four considerations, all but the Ruger would be fine, don't go near a Ruger SR9/C, P345PR, or LCP. All three have distinguished themselves as poorly designed, highly flawed weapons.

bang_bang
September 19, 2010, 05:39 PM
I have 2 S&W products, one being the S&W 22A and then my MP-15. I am very pleased with both products, that's why I have given S&W an option on my list.

Glocks aren't really my thing, its just they are really good weapons. I admit, as much as I try to hate them, I can't. I have shot a G26, and with the 32 round magazine they are a hoot! :neener: Something interchangeable from 40 S&W to 9mm sounds great. 9mm is easily available to me, plus it can be used in my Kel-Tec.

From what I can tell, a Glock or S&W will run be close to the same price. I want this gun to be dead-balls reliable and accurate, just as long as it is not full-size. A 4-inch barrel would be fine with me, I have concealed a full-size Witness 45 acp before with no problem.

So basically, we've narrowed it down to 2 choices since I want a double stack something.

Glock or M&P?

Hanzo581
September 19, 2010, 05:59 PM
Regarding the OP's four considerations, all but the Ruger would be fine, don't go near a Ruger SR9/C, P345PR, or LCP. All three have distinguished themselves as poorly designed, highly flawed weapons.

My SR9c must not have gotten that memo....

sub-moa
September 19, 2010, 06:08 PM
Get a Glock 19, you will eventually ;)

Start the enjoyment now :D

blo0dyhatchet
September 19, 2010, 09:10 PM
I would go for the M&P. Very comfortable pistol.

bds
September 19, 2010, 10:34 PM
I have both Glock 22 and M&P40. Both are accurate and reliable.

With conversion barrel option being available to both Glock and M&P compacts, the next consideration would be ergonomics and other shooters you may have with you.

With three different palm swell sizes available to M&P, it better suits all the members of my family and ergonomics (mag release/ambi-slide release) are better.

I would gladly recommend M&P too.

~Boomslang~
September 19, 2010, 11:19 PM
Ignore much of the internet trashing, and go pick up a Sig P250. Hold it and see what you think for yourself, if the range is a rental rent it and shoot it. Make sure its the new frame model with the 1913 pic rail.d

Skylerbone
September 19, 2010, 11:30 PM
M&P:

Compact: 3.5"
Full Size: 4.25"
Pro Series: 4.25"
Pro, L: 5"

9L, 9c, 40 Full size

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=127875&d=1284953180

Skylerbone
September 19, 2010, 11:40 PM
Here's a compact with a full size magazine and X-Grip ($15 or so) essentially a full size with a snubby barrel. Your cup of tea? Tea tastes good! I forgot to mention that you can get a S&W factory barrel for the 40cal in .357Sig that will drop right in for $78 that uses the same mag. as the 40. Make that three calibers in one.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=127876&d=1284953718

DenaliPark
September 20, 2010, 12:47 AM
My SR9c must not have gotten that memo....
Correction, you didn't get that memo! Lets hope you never do, it arrives in the form of a "click, no bang!"

easyg
September 20, 2010, 09:29 AM
You can't go wrong with a Glock 27....

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM6492.jpg

golden
September 21, 2010, 03:41 AM
I would suggest a GLOCK 19 or WALTHER P-99.

They are similar in size. Compact, but not too small. The grip is just long enough to get a solid hold. The barrel and slide are long enough for good velocity, recoil control and distance between sights.

Mini guns like the GLOCK 26 are much harder to grasp and not nearly as enjoyable to shoot.

This size gun in 9m.m. is a very good compromise and I really like it.

I used to carry a GLOCK 19 for duty until my agency went to government issue guns only. I often carry the WALTHER P-99 and keep it for my bed stand gun. The grip is what really sets this gun apart for me. It is nearly a perfect fit.

I also carry the BERETTA 92 Compact and shoot it better than any other pistol. Same grip frame size, but longer barrel and slide. Also heavier, but just as reliable.

Another gun of this size is the SIG-225. These guns can be real bargains. My wife uses mine as her person protection gun. It has the right size grip and is quite accurate and as police trade ins, they can be very reasonable.
DOWN SIDE, they only shoot ball ammo and capped hollow points like the CORBON POWERBALL and GECO BAT round.
GOOD NEWS, they shoot the POWERBALL very well, at least in my gun.

Just my opinions. Good luck with whatever you get.

Jim

BHP FAN
September 21, 2010, 04:07 AM
Makarov.With the boatload of money you save, you can buy a boat load of ammo.

Jed Carter
September 21, 2010, 04:56 AM
Of your choices the SIG P250 I the best of the lot IMO, M&P next. One of the best all around compacts is the Glock G19, it would be my choice for a compact. You need to round out the collection and get a fullsize pistol like a SIG 226, Beretta 92FS, CZ 75B, or a G17 or G34. Compacts are good as CCW, subcompacts are good as a last resort, fullsize pistols are good HD weapons and range / IDPA-USPSA pistols. I am at the other end of the spectrum, currently own 13 centerfire pistols with 4 compacts and 2 subcompacts. 7 pistols with 4" or longer barrels, 4 are 5"+.

Sgt_R
September 21, 2010, 05:19 AM
Glock or M&P?

Whichever one you shoot better. If you shoot both about the same, then whichever one's cheaper. If they're both about the same price, then whichever one's in stock at your local shop. If they're both in stock, then flip a coin. ;)

R

easyg
September 21, 2010, 10:04 AM
Mini guns like the GLOCK 26 are much harder to grasp and not nearly as enjoyable to shoot.
Actually, the baby Glocks are not difficult to grasp at all.
And they're not painful to shoot in the least.
In fact, lots of folks actually shoot better with the sub-compact Glocks than they do with the larger Glocks.

Mr. T
September 21, 2010, 02:09 PM
Out of the ones you have there...I would go with the Ruger, but maybe you would be open to a suggestion....have you considered the subcompact in XD. They also make extended clips so that you essentially have full capacity like a full size model, only in a subcompact. They are extremely reliable, durable and accurate. Since the XD-M's have come out the price has gone down on the standard XD's. I bought a full size XD in 9mm for my wife a year ago and it was $515 with the tax and transfer paper work included at a gun show. Otherwise I would go with the Ruger...they make quality stuff and it always goes boom.

golden
September 25, 2010, 01:22 AM
easyg,

We will have to disagree on the small grip mini guns like the GLOCK 26. My own experience with it was that is was more difficult to shoot than the 19. Recoil was a factor, but the small grip made control an issue.

I have shot other small guns and larger pistols with small grips. I really like the shorter grip on the BERETTA 92 Compact pistol and shoot better with it and any other pistol in this catergory. I also shoot the WALTHER P-99 very well.
Another gun that fits really well is the SIG 225. The shape is very ergonomic and I prefer it to the SIG 226 that I carried for several years.
I can also shoot the BERETTA Tomcat well despite the short, two finger grip. However, recoil is a non issue on this gun, at least for me.

One of the things that I noticed is that many of the LEO'S I have worked with, use a mini GLOCK like the 27, but with an extension added. To me, this defeats the purpose of making a gun so small.
I would rather they left the barrel/slide a bit longer as well.

For my hand, a grip long enough to hold 13 9m.m. rounds like the BERETTA Compact is perfect.

lloveless
September 25, 2010, 01:46 AM
I had a S&W 439 that was accurate as all get out. Single stack. It became a safe queen when I got a 4506. I traded the 439 for a Keltec p-32 which became an always gun. Sooo I'd get the S&W 3913. A very Nice rendition of the 39 series and eminently carryable and reportably a shooter.
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