just bought myself a jimenez today


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hartmen
September 18, 2010, 10:53 PM
nib with warranty. i know its a cheapo gun but i mainly bought it for my concealed weapons permit.

i read some older treads about this gun. nothing looks good about it it seems.... but i like the feel and the weight of it in my hands. nice pocket gun. came with two clips. $158 after tax.

ive owned a jennings before and got rid of it and regreted doing it ever since i sold it.

dont bash me to hard

its a 22lr

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VegasAR15
September 18, 2010, 11:03 PM
One, I wouldn't carry a jimenez as the gun that my life depended on, two, I wouldn't carry a 22lr if my life depended on it. If you can get through a magazine without it jamming, keep it for a plinker.

Stumper
September 18, 2010, 11:36 PM
While I will agree with those who suggest bigger calibers and higher quality guns for self defense the Jennings design (now Jimenez) has served me well as a tacklebox/toolbox plinker on many fishing trips and is a surprisingly accurate plinker.

Mad Magyar
September 18, 2010, 11:41 PM
They can't be too bad....A Pawn Shop dealer in NM told me it's his biggest seller; like hot-cakes....I have no interest in them, but I'm sure they fill a niche in some circles....

VegasGeorge
September 19, 2010, 12:05 AM
IMHO the 22 LR is a generally under rated round. Shot placement is always the key to stopping the bad guy, even with larger caliber handguns. A well placed 22 LR will be more effective than a poorly placed 38 round any day. Even shooing a 45 won't help you if you miss. Those 22 LR HP rounds are nasty. They will tear up a lot of meat.

All that being said, my advice is simple: Carry the largest caliber handgun you can comfortably and accurately shoot, and buy the best quality gun you can afford.

So why was I out this afternoon with my NAA 22 mag mini revolver instead of my Kimber 45? Well, ..... I just can't answer that. :)

Onward Allusion
September 19, 2010, 12:16 AM
Just know the gun's limitations. You have at least one shot if you have time to rack the slide or are brave enough to carry it with 1 in the chamber. The 22LR for SD is a shoot and run (in the other direction) gun.

Sapper771
September 19, 2010, 12:20 AM
I bought a Jimenez 22 pistol several years ago. It was junk, but I only paid $30 for it. I would not rely on it at all.

Hammerhead6814
September 19, 2010, 12:38 AM
A friend bought a 9mm Jimenez for $172 w/ tax here in Liberty, MO. It did fine it's first range trip. Digested 90 rounds of loose 9mm without a problem. Only complaint is that it didn't shoot as well as my Hi-Power at 15 yards, but who would have expected it to?

We're going to the range with it again tomorrow. If anything happens we'll I'll make a post w/ pics. If nothing happens I'll just say it shot fine again.

GLOOB
September 19, 2010, 05:24 AM
It was junk, but I only paid $30 for it.
If you bought a used Kimber 1911 for $150.00, would you expect it to shoot worth a darn? There's usually a good reason when someone dumps a gun on you for next to nothing.

WillDe83
September 19, 2010, 12:32 PM
My wife has a Jimenez 380, given to her by her dad. I have been trying to get her a better gun but shes is stubborn as hell. We took it out last weekend to shoot and it jammed every other round. And she thinks its good enough for her carry. I think I should go buy her something better and make the Jimenez disappear.

DasFriek
September 19, 2010, 04:00 PM
My wife has a Jimenez 380, given to her by her dad. I have been trying to get her a better gun but shes is stubborn as hell. We took it out last weekend to shoot and it jammed every other round. And she thinks its good enough for her carry. I think I should go buy her something better and make the Jimenez disappear.

I would take the gun out of her purse and hide it so she couldn't find it and carry it and take her to a local gun shop and let her pick something out more reliable, And don't give her any spending limit since you will be looked at as a bad guy anyhow.
Then after 1 month you give her the gun her dad gave her back if she promises to never carry it.

Sometimes a mad wife is better than a dead wife. Only sometimes, And this is one of those. J/K of course....

Onward Allusion
September 19, 2010, 05:49 PM
I think you're right.

WillDe83 (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=97412)
My wife has a Jimenez 380, given to her by her dad. I have been trying to get her a better gun but shes is stubborn as hell. We took it out last weekend to shoot and it jammed every other round. And she thinks its good enough for her carry. I think I should go buy her something better and make the Jimenez disappear.

hartmen
September 19, 2010, 09:22 PM
well i just got back from my friends backyard/homemade range. lol. out in the country with no one near by. scratch built target range. auto resetting. anyways.,, we shot the hell out of the 22lr. a little of 100 rds thru it today. we also shot 380's 357's and several other 22's. fun feeled day.

the only problem i had was the darn unwell made 22 ammo not firing. duds. after 15rds or so one would pop up. whenever one came up the gun would not eject the ammo. i guess its part of the ejection process. but that is the only problem ive had with it. the gun grouping was very well. nothing but smiles on my end.

looking to get me a 357 next! maybe 45 cal after that....who knows!

ET
September 19, 2010, 10:55 PM
How does this Jimemez gun compare to a Hi-Point. I have owned a C-9 for close to 15 years now and it has always fired when the trigger was pulled. It's my trusted toolbox gun for use if my tools run amuck.

~Boomslang~
September 20, 2010, 12:56 AM
What really caught my attention is that you stated "I bought this for my concealed wepons permit" When carrying a weapon on ones person it should be reliable, and you should be comfortable with it, so if a situation arose you could take the appropriate action. I would urge you to acquire a more reliable weapon as soon as possible and get well aquainted with its function and use. a 22lr is not a self defense round, allthough its better than a set of car keys.

harmon rabb
September 20, 2010, 07:29 AM
A .22lr for carry... and a jimenez at that? Sigh..

bhp9mm
September 20, 2010, 08:20 AM
you better get the 357 soon i would not trust my life to cheap guns

Onmilo
September 20, 2010, 10:56 AM
I wish you all the luck that you NEVER get involved in an incident where you have to pull and use that pistol,,,,

Onward Allusion
September 20, 2010, 12:44 PM
Some free advice - take it for what it's worth... Sell the Jimenez, eat the loss, and buy yourself something more dependable in a larger caliber than a 22LR. It's not about the pistol only costing $158. It's that your life is worth more than a jam-o-matic 22LR.

hartmen (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=124089)
well i just got back from my friends backyard/homemade range. lol. out in the country with no one near by. scratch built target range. auto resetting. anyways.,, we shot the hell out of the 22lr. a little of 100 rds thru it today. we also shot 380's 357's and several other 22's. fun feeled day.

the only problem i had was the darn unwell made 22 ammo not firing. duds. after 15rds or so one would pop up. whenever one came up the gun would not eject the ammo. i guess its part of the ejection process. but that is the only problem ive had with it. the gun grouping was very well. nothing but smiles on my end.

looking to get me a 357 next! maybe 45 cal after that....who knows!

Olympus
September 20, 2010, 02:15 PM
Mine line of reason: Is your life worth $158+tax? What about your wife, your son, your daughter?

Price should be low on the list of importance when choosing a CCW, just my opinion. Reliability and caliber would pretty much be at the top of the list for me when choosing a CCW. Jimenez - reputation for being one of the most unreliable pistols ever made. 22LR - there's not a lot smaller to buy unless you move into Daisy BB guns.

If we're talking about a range gun/play gun/fun gun/blow-money-on-another-gun gun, then buy whatever your heart desires. But if you plan on trusting your life or your family's life, I'd put a little more thought in it. Just my opinion, not the only opinion.

MICHAEL T
September 21, 2010, 12:02 AM
Wow for a little more money I could have had a KelTec P-32 . small. light. reliable. and a lot better caliber

David E
September 21, 2010, 02:49 AM
i know its a cheapo gun but i mainly bought it for my concealed weapon permit.

The irony in this statement is monumental.

GLOOB
September 21, 2010, 02:58 AM
You guys are all looking at it the wrong way. This guy has taken a cheap and easy path to exercise his second amendment rights. Why the disparaging comments?

harmon rabb
September 21, 2010, 07:50 AM
"You guys are all looking at it the wrong way. This guy has taken a cheap and easy path to exercise his second amendment rights. Why the disparaging comments?"

Very marginal caliber, poor quality gun. Just not a good choice.

Olympus
September 21, 2010, 11:07 AM
You guys are all looking at it the wrong way. This guy has taken a cheap and easy path to exercise his second amendment rights. Why the disparaging comments?

Nobody is faulting him for that. It's because of the intended use that is causing the comments. If you wanna fill your gun safe with Jimenez, Jennings, and Lorcin pistols, I think that's great. The more guns, the better in my opinion. Exercise that 2nd amendment!

But betting yours and your family's lives on a notoriously unreliable gun chambered in a caliber that is slightly better than a pointy stick, that's what draws the comments.

ET
September 21, 2010, 11:44 AM
Why is it that when anybody comes here, or any other forum for that matter, & states that he/she just bought an inexpensive gun like the OP's, or a HI-Point, etc., many members are quick to tell the person that he made a mistake. For a little more money he could have had another gun. Duh! For a little more money we all could have had a different gun. I am happy the OP decided to purchase a gun. Yes, it isn't what I would have bought, but the OP now has a gun. My first hand gun was a Hi-Point C9. It wasn't a great gun but it got me interested in handguns. Hopefully, as time goes on, the OP will feel the same way and end up with multiple guns with this one being his toolbox gun or a cheap way to fire off several hundred rounds at the range. You never know.

I'm happy when anybody buys any gun. Even a Jimenez is better than nothing.

Ben86
September 21, 2010, 12:35 PM
It's better than no gun. Hopefully, when you get some more money, you can buy a better quality gun, with a more substantial caliber. The most important thing is that you practice a lot so you are really good with it and use ammo that works in that gun. It may also be of equal importance to concentrate on malfunction clearing drills.

Onward Allusion
September 21, 2010, 12:49 PM
I don't think anyone faulted the OP for exercising his RKBA. It was his choice for CC that was criticized. The OP himself stated that the pistol jammed every 13 rounds and is a 22LR. This is the same pistol that he intends to use as his CCW.

It's not JUST about it being a 22LR or that it only cost $158 or that it is a Jimenez. It's a combination of all of the preceding that results in using an unreliable pistol as a CCW. How anyone can argue the OP's bad logic is beyond me.

GLOOB (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=53020)
You guys are all looking at it the wrong way. This guy has taken a cheap and easy path to exercise his second amendment rights. Why the disparaging comments?

David E
September 21, 2010, 01:00 PM
duds.................after 15rds or so one would pop up. whenever one came up the gun would not eject the ammo. ............but that is the only problem ive had with it.

An unreliable gun is unworthy for defensive use, regardless of brand, caliber or cost.

Lube it up and buy some high quality ammo from several makers (Federal, CCI, Winchester) all with copper plating. Hopefully, you can find one that'll work.....

Onward Allusion
September 21, 2010, 01:05 PM
It's not about the cost of the pistol.

Sure, as long as the Jimenez is reliable I'd have it too. However, if it's a jam-o-matic like the OP stated, then having it is actually worst than not having a gun at all because it gives the owner a false sense of security.

ET (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=122365)
Why is it that when anybody comes here, or any other forum for that matter, & states that he/she just bought an inexpensive gun like the OP's, or a HI-Point, etc., many members are quick to tell the person that he made a mistake. For a little more money he could have had another gun. Duh! For a little more money we all could have had a different gun. I am happy the OP decided to purchase a gun. Yes, it isn't what I would have bought, but the OP now has a gun. My first hand gun was a Hi-Point C9. It wasn't a great gun but it got me interested in handguns. Hopefully, as time goes on, the OP will feel the same way and end up with multiple guns with this one being his toolbox gun or a cheap way to fire off several hundred rounds at the range. You never know.

I'm happy when anybody buys any gun. Even a Jimenez is better than nothing.

Ben86
September 21, 2010, 01:09 PM
the only problem i had was the darn unwell made 22 ammo not firing. duds. after 15rds or so one would pop up. whenever one came up the gun would not eject the ammo. i guess its part of the ejection process. but that is the only problem ive had with it. the gun grouping was very well. nothing but smiles on my end.


It sounds like maybe it is an ammo problem and not a gun problem. Although it could be light primer strikes. Try some premium CCI and see if things improve.

Olympus
September 21, 2010, 07:00 PM
Why is it that when anybody comes here, or any other forum for that matter, & states that he/she just bought an inexpensive gun like the OP's, or a HI-Point, etc., many members are quick to tell the person that he made a mistake. For a little more money he could have had another gun. Duh! For a little more money we all could have had a different gun. I am happy the OP decided to purchase a gun. Yes, it isn't what I would have bought, but the OP now has a gun. My first hand gun was a Hi-Point C9. It wasn't a great gun but it got me interested in handguns. Hopefully, as time goes on, the OP will feel the same way and end up with multiple guns with this one being his toolbox gun or a cheap way to fire off several hundred rounds at the range. You never know.

I'm happy when anybody buys any gun. Even a Jimenez is better than nothing.

You can't see the trees for the forest. :scrutiny:

As I and others have already stated, it's the fact that the OP plans to use the gun to conceal that is drawing the criticism. If someone is dead in love with Jimenez, Jennings, Lorcin, Hi-Point, etc, who am I to nay-say? Shoot what you like and enjoy. I've got a cheap gun or two myself. Nobody is knocking that.

It's not a mistake that he bought the pistol. But IMO, it is a mistake to trust your life and/or your family's life to that pistol. There is a difference. As I said earlier, the cost of the pistol should not be as imporant as reliability and caliber, in my view. If someone has a Hi-Point that they've put thousands of rounds through it and haven't had any malfunctions, you won't hear a peep from me. Carry on!

GLOOB
September 21, 2010, 08:45 PM
People carry for different reasons. He knows how reliable his gun is. He knows how accurate he is with it. He will know whether he's better off using his gun or the nearest rock when push comes to shove. In the meantime, he'll be legally allowed to carry his Jiminez concealed, back and forth between, say, his crowded metro apartment full of gun-haters and the nearest range. All positives and no negatives, AFAIC.

Would you tell a non CCW'er he needs to carry a rock around in his pocket, because he's foolish to trust his life to his fists?

DasFriek
September 21, 2010, 09:17 PM
I have to admit i do have issues with his choices, And it very well could get him killed.
Jimenez- Has a bad reputation of reliability and breakage.
The .22 round is the worst CCW round there is, But better than nothing. But reliability is even questionable even in higher end guns.

A .22 Jimenez for CCW is asking for the "Perfect Storm" of failures when the gun may be needed.

I know a 9mm Hi-Point is large and heavy but would be a much better gun for ccw than what the OP has. If i lost all my guns and had no money if i had too id carry a HP 9mm with no hesitation. But NEVER a Jimenez .22

hartmen
September 21, 2010, 10:07 PM
i have to admit....i didnt expect so many responses to my post. one of the other reasons i choosed the 22lr over a higher caliber pistol is because the weight and size usually goes up and bigger and the price. not only that im still learning how to shoot a pistol properly. if you havent noticed yet the 22lr round is the best learn how to shot em up round there is as far as cost is concerned. shooting 5 boxes of 32cal ammo up is very expensive,

which just reminded myself....ive got a 32cal delinger. yes more reliable than the jimenez but i feel more comfortable with the semiauto over the two shot any day of the week.

not only will i be using the jimenez for my ccw but another main reason is to take it with me to junk yards and such. snakes, dogs, racoons, poseums, angry drunk guys who cant agree on a price. flying lead is 100% better than swinging a pipe.

i bought a 380 about a month ago and i hate it because its so bulcky. extremely heavy. i bought it in haste and regret it now. reminds me of the glock's.

i think the main problem i am having is im buying the value ammo packs from walmart. i think i need to step it up and buy higher grade ammo for the pistol to get away from the duds.

Arkansas Paul
September 21, 2010, 10:54 PM
ive got a 32cal delinger. yes more reliable than the jimenez but i feel more comfortable with the semiauto over the two shot any day of the week.

I would rather have the two rounds that I know for sure are going to fire than to have ten and not know if it's going to work or not.
That's just me.

Sapper771
September 21, 2010, 11:46 PM
I don't put much faith in Kimbers either , GLOOB. Been there, done that. LOL

If I would have paid more than $30 for my particular jeminez, then I guess it would have been a more expensive piece of junk ? Regardless of price....if it doesn't function reliably, then it doesnt function reliably. I have been on both sides of the fence: had a cheap gun that worked and had a very expensive gun that did not work.

I am not disparaging the OP, just posted my experience with the same model.....I will allow the OP to draw his own conclusion. If he wishes to carry it because it is comfortable, then that is his choice.

Hatterasguy
September 21, 2010, 11:57 PM
Your betting your life on it, at least go buy a decent gun.

You can get a Mak for $250ish, or at the very least a Hi Point in 9mm. Those go for about $125.

I'm a big believer in that the bullet doesn't matter much its shot placement that counts. I should caveat it with as long as were talking about something .32ACP and up. .22LR is a training/small game round.

jon_in_wv
September 22, 2010, 09:04 AM
I agree with most the other that the Jimenez is a terifically bad choice for CCW. Two of my first concealed weapons were the Makarov and the keltec P-11. Both are pretty cheap and are a world more capable of defending your hide than the Jimenez. Other good choices would be the P-64, or any number of snub nosed .38s. Any of these could be had for mush less that 300 bucks. Keep the Jiminez and shoot is all you like. Every time it fails, caused by ammo or not, imagine that it happened at the worst time and not just on the range and you will fall out of love with it in a hurry.

BTW. If you can find an FEG, especially the 9HP-PJK. I've always thought they were the unsung heroes of cheap weapons. My 9HP has beautiful bluing and shoots as well as any pistol I've ever shot. I bought it for $225.

litman252
September 22, 2010, 09:26 AM
Hartmen,
You are right that 22 is the easiest to learn on. Most all would agree with you there and recommend the caliber for a newbie to shoot at the range to learn proper sight alignment, trigger control, breathing ect........
What many people here and my self would like to see is you find a used small but reliable .32 or .380 if not a 9mm for cc use. When the drunken guy has hit you with one blow of the pipe or the dog has a grip of your off side arm it's a bad time to rack the slide when it jammed. Most people don't like the gun or caliber you are using for cc, cheap range gun is another issue completely.

Shoot the 22 for range, move up when you can and shoot that enough to test if for reliability and proficiency!
Tony

Vonderek
September 22, 2010, 10:01 AM
Hartmen, you have mentioned in this thread that besides the .22 you also have a derringer and a .380. For the price of these three guns you probably could have bought one good gun you could bet your life on. You don't have to spend a fortune to get a quality gun. Look at a used .38 J-frame or one of Kel Tecs offerings. It's easy to fall into the trap of buying multiple guns until you find one you like. Better to ask your friends what they use and try those or spend a few dollars and go to a range and rent a couple of guns. Try before you buy. Sounds like the Jimenez may not be too reliable plus you gotta carry that sucker with the chamber empty... I applaud you for getting your carry permit and if what you have works for you then that's great.

Olympus
September 22, 2010, 10:58 AM
i bought a 380 about a month ago and i hate it because its so bulcky. extremely heavy. i bought it in haste and regret it now. reminds me of the glock's.

I don't think I've ever heard of a .380 being considered too bulky or heavy. Definitely never heard one being comparative of a Glock...

I'd like to see a side by side comparison of a Jimenez with say a LCP or Kel-Tec. Maybe someone can post a picture...

Onward Allusion
September 22, 2010, 02:10 PM
Probably because gun owners/enthusiasts stick together and don't want harm to come to those who believe in RKBA.

hartmen (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=124089)
i have to admit....i didnt expect so many responses to my post.

Big Bill
September 22, 2010, 03:36 PM
I had a Jennings 22LR for years that was very reliable with minimal care. My wife loved shooting it and even carried it for awhile. She still refers back to that gun and how much she liked it. When I sold it, I got all my money back and then some. I have no complaints.

Here's a question for everyone. If someone was shooting you with a 22, how many shots could/would you take before you'd quit?

Ben86
September 22, 2010, 03:42 PM
i think the main problem i am having is im buying the value ammo packs from walmart. i think i need to step it up and buy higher grade ammo for the pistol to get away from the duds.

I think that may be the problem as well. Most people here are quick to say it's just because its a crappy brand and therefore a crappy gun. Don't listen to them, decide for yourself if it is reliable. Get some really good stuff and see if it improves. Also, it may have a break in period that hasn't been worked through.

Hanzo581
September 22, 2010, 03:58 PM
Nothing wrong with buying cheap guns for the range/plinking. But to not only rely on a .22lr for defense but an unreliable one at that is something that will of course bring lots of flaming.

If he hadn't mentioned CCW this thread would have turned out much different.

ET
September 22, 2010, 03:59 PM
...i think the main problem i am having is im buying the value ammo packs from walmart. i think i need to step it up and buy higher grade ammo for the pistol to get away from the duds.

If you are planning on carrying this gun for ccw you really do need to use premium grade ammo. Value packs are for range/plinking, NOT for SD. Buy the best ammo you can find to carry. Then shoot a few hundred of those rounds thru the gun. If you are still having "dud" problems, THEN you need to reconsider carrying this weapon for self defense.

I don't like to talk bad about other people's guns, but the posters who said that this gun isn't a good SD gun would be right if it doesn't perform with premium ammo in it. Yes, a jamb-o-matic is worse that no gun at all. (unless you find yourself in an emergency which calls for a paper weight)

If he hadn't mentioned CCW this thread would have turned out much different.

You are probably right. I guess because I spend so much time defending everything from Hi-Points to Glocks to Taurus' when posters keep saying that they are nothing but junk that I got into that mode here.

KBintheSLC
September 22, 2010, 05:33 PM
i know its a cheapo gun but i mainly bought it for my concealed weapons permit.

If I was going to spend more on a decent gun, it would be for this purpose. Why would you specifically cheap out for CCW?

Strahley
September 22, 2010, 07:37 PM
At least you're carrying SOMETHING, but jeez, there are so many better options out there. And they use magazines, not clips

jon_in_wv
September 22, 2010, 11:13 PM
My MOST EXPENSIVE weapon in my CCW. The cheap guns sit in the safe and go to the range for a little fun.

Weevil
September 22, 2010, 11:43 PM
Well if you are gonna carry it get some decent ammo.

Even cheapie guns will generally work better with quality ammo.


The box of 500 ammo at Wally-World is very inconsistent some rounds are fine others are way underpowered.

Get some CCI Mini-Mags or Stingers and try them out. I think you'll be amazed at how much better your pistol performs with quality ammo.

David E
September 23, 2010, 01:21 AM
ive got a 32cal delinger.

what the heck is a "delinger?"

i bought a 380 about a month ago ...

So, you recently purchased THREE guns.....none of which seem to suit your stated purpose of CCW....

I wonder...........if instead of buying three cra....um, cheap guns you had purchased ONE good used gun if you'd be better off than you are now.....

I'll play "what if" and figure you paid $158 for the Jiminez, $130 for the "delinger" and maybe $152 for the .380 (sounds like a Hi-Point) for a total of $440.

For that much, there's all kinds of other (read "better) guns that would've suited your stated purposes better, and have enough left over to buy a bunch of ammo and maybe even a shooting class.

Dnaltrop
September 23, 2010, 02:44 AM
Cast Zinc guns.... I know they technically work, at least it's a small caliber ( I can't believe I just was happy it's a .22)

I paid a friend $100 towards a new pistol to never, ever shoot his Bryco 9mm again. It's now a paperweight.

Next time you have some money to sling around, hit gunbroker.com and look really hard. There are some great, much more solid handguns you can find used, and some even have warranties that will follow you as the second (or 10th) owner.

Save $400, get a basic Rock Island Armory 1911, a used glock, a New Sigma around 300...

Drop to the 200-300 range and find yourself a CZ-82 and fall in love with the suprisingly peppy, inexpensive 9x18mm (not luger/parabellum) or a used SW model 10 .38 and enjoy a superb revolver.

Gunbroker + wiki = 20/20 hindsight prevention.

GLOOB
September 23, 2010, 10:53 AM
JA-22 isn't junk. It has a good reputation among its users. I bet his problems go away if he gets some better ammo.

I can't speak firsthand on that particular gun, but I do have a Phoenix Arms HP22A that runs like a top. I'm talking the better part of a thousand rounds in a row (and counting) without a single failure. It just needed a bit of break-in and a tweak to the extractor.

Something curious I have noticed about the HP22A: it is one of the only guns I have that will hand cycle in super slow motion at any angle without the rim ever jumping the extractor. The rim just jumps straight under the extractor as it leaves the mag lip. The only other gun I have that will do this is a PA-63. All my other guns can jump the extractor when cycled too slowly, including my Glocks and my Ruger MKIII. Now, I don't have any feed issues with ANY of my guns while actually shooting, but I did find this interesting!

Ben86
September 23, 2010, 03:00 PM
In my country, citizen are not allowed to have and carry it. Only polices can use it, but it's symbolic

You're forgetting, criminals also get to carry guns, not just the police. ;)

What country are you from?

millertyme
September 23, 2010, 04:15 PM
Even shooing a 45 won't help you if you miss

Even a 45 won't help you if you don't hit anything meaningful. It's not magic. It's not poison. It's only 1/10 of an inch bigger in diameter (than a 9mm).

Personally, I know several owners of J-22's, JA-22's, etc and none of them would call their gun reliable. This guy purchased a fun gun with the hopes that it will fill his need for personal protection. Turns out he might be wrong. If there's one thing in common I hear regularly about JA-22's it is how much fun they are and how much more they'd bee if they'd feed properly. Seems more like a problem with the magazine than the gun. If he's plenty accurate with the pistol then maybe he should work on his nerves so that in the event that there's a need for him to present his weapon and discharge it all he needs is the one shot he knows to be reliable, the first.

GLOOB
September 23, 2010, 05:09 PM
You have to realize there are 2 kinds of folks. Some people need things to work perfectly out of the box, or else they think they're broken. They are afraid to anything to a gun, because they think any modification that an ordinary mortal person can do to a mass-produced retail good will only make it inferior.

Then there are people that have some mechanical sense.

If you're the former, then stay away from these little guns. The fit and finish on a $130.00 cast gun isn't going to be perfect. This is not a design flaw. It's just realistic fit and finish for the price. These guns are going to benefit from a bit of smoothing and polishing. The mag lips sometimes need a tweak. And the guns must be kept clean and lubed.

millertyme
September 23, 2010, 05:12 PM
the mag lips often need a tweak.

I just mentioned this thread to a buddy who has a JA22 and that's exactly what he just told me. Informed me he bent them in a little at the front to keep the next round from popping up and it's worked fine since. He said a couple hundred rounds worth. He's still can't believe that's all it took. Said he kept shooting it just to see when it would fail and when he got tired of loading the dinky little mags he quit.

Enachos
September 23, 2010, 05:43 PM
When I took my Concealed Carry class there was an older women who took with her a Jimenez .22. It jammed in EVERY mag (out of a total of 50 rds.)

My suggestion is to maybe save up for a better and more reliable pistol in the near future if you're planning on CC. (not bashing)

Strahley
September 23, 2010, 07:28 PM
$440 could have bought a used Glock/XD/etc which will run many many circles around what you already own

JamisJockey
September 23, 2010, 07:37 PM
Not to climb on top of you, but...

For just a little bit more money you can purchase a Kel-tec in various mouse gun calibers. I have a P3AT .380 that I've owned for about 7 years now. Its got over a thousand rounds through it. They still retail in the low two hundreds. I'd trust my life to the Kel-tec (its my daily carry). But before I started carrying it, I shot about 200 rounds through it, as well as the SD ammo I've chosen to carry.
It was cheap. It ain't pretty. But its reliable.

GLOOB
September 23, 2010, 09:07 PM
Informed me he bent them in a little at the front to keep the next round from popping up and it's worked fine since. He said a couple hundred rounds worth. He's still can't believe that's all it took.
Yep. The design of the JA-22 is simple and reliable. It works. If the gun is unreliable, it's because of a small issue or two that are easily sorted if you just LOOK at the gun and hand cycle it a few times. And when at the range, don't just swear and clear your malfunctions when running a new gun. LOOK at malfunctions. It's not rocket science.

It's foolish to discredit a cheap gun as inherently unreliable because SOME people have problems out of the box and don't get it. Some of these guns are actually very well engineered. It's just a simple fit/finish issue that comes along with the low cost. I'd take my Phoenix Arms HP22A against anyone else's Beretta Bobcat or Walther TPH in a reliability contest. Mine will even cycle subsonic ammo.

hartmen
September 23, 2010, 11:59 PM
If you are planning on carrying this gun for ccw you really do need to use premium grade ammo. Value packs are for range/plinking, NOT for SD. Buy the best ammo you can find to carry. Then shoot a few hundred of those rounds thru the gun. If you are still having "dud" problems, THEN you need to reconsider carrying this weapon for self defense.

when i get a chance to buy more ammo i will get the best i can find at the gun store not wallie world and try it and report back. been working long hours at my job.

the 32cal i got thru a trade. several months ago. was interested in it because it reminded me of the saloon days in the 1800's. when the lady wore it on her garder.

the .380 i actually dont even have yet. my fiance bought it for me as a wedding gift. she thought it looked "nice". i just agreed. :uhoh: its solid chrome lorcin. looks like something a gangster would own. its going to be a gun i take to the range and be like .....bling bling. hahahhaha.

or i may get laughed at also.

anyways i never did say this would be my permanet ccw gun. i plan on moving up on the cal size. revolver hopefully. budget right now just wont allow it. all of the guns i own ive gotten thru trade or bought at a pawn shop. this jimenez is the first new gun ive ever bought and so far....im still very impressed.

i believe the main issue people have when shooting these 22's and jamming is they do not get cleaned regurly or properly.

hartmen
September 24, 2010, 12:01 AM
It's foolish to discredit a cheap gun as inherently unreliable because SOME people have problems out of the box and don't get it. Some of these guns are actually very well engineered. It's just a simple fit/finish issue that comes along with the low cost

i agree 100%

i have a mosin nagant. 7.62x54mm

wonderful gun in amazing condition. weapons surplus at low cost but very well designed high caliber rifle. tons of people use them to dear hunt.

David E
September 24, 2010, 01:44 AM
tons of people use them to dear hunt.

[bubba voice]Hey, DEAR, look this way real quick........I got a surprise for ya............[/bubba voice]

Going "Dear" hunting is illegal............ in most states....:D :D :D

Olympus
September 24, 2010, 10:19 AM
Now I'm really confused...:scrutiny:

i bought a 380 about a month ago and i hate it because its so bulcky. extremely heavy. i bought it in haste and regret it now. reminds me of the glock's.


then this...

the .380 i actually dont even have yet. my fiance bought it for me as a wedding gift. she thought it looked "nice". i just agreed. its solid chrome lorcin. looks like something a gangster would own. its going to be a gun i take to the range and be like .....bling bling. hahahhaha.


So which is it? Do have it and hate it because it's so bulky and heavy? Or do you not even have it yet? :scrutiny:

jon_in_wv
September 24, 2010, 12:29 PM
The Jimenez Arms J.A. .380 is quite possibly one of the simplest, easiest to use and most comfortable compact .380's on the market today. Jimenez Arms includes such features as: a comfortable stance and an extended finger rest located at the bottom of the magazine. Other manufacturers offer this feature only on specialty clips at higher prices. Jimenez Arms, however, includes this feature at no extra cost. If you're in the market for a compact .380 and price, accuracy and comfort is a factor- the Jimenez Arms J.A. 380 is your solution.

That is what the Jimenez website says on the page for it's 380. Yeah, great engineering, they really know their guns. ha ha ha.

hartmen
September 24, 2010, 10:00 PM
my fiance bought the 380 but im not technically suppose to have it yet or know about it.

Olympus
September 25, 2010, 11:07 AM
:scrutiny:

writerinmo
September 26, 2010, 12:38 AM
I have a HI Point C9 Comp model with well over 2k rounds through it. Had some problems with light strikes around the 2k point, called the toll free number and got a new firing pin and springs, free, and in 3 days. Little heavier trigger pull now, but still eats whatever I throw in the mags. BUT... I take care of my guns, I clean them and if I see a way to make them more reliable I do it. Magazines are a huge issue with many semi-autos. The .40 JCP Hi Point I bought new worked great with the magazine that came with it. I bought four more mags, and NONE of them would feed reliably. I deburred the ears and set them to the same specs as the good mag and haven't had a problem with any of them since. Bought it new last year so it's only at around the 500 round mark at the moment.

Won't cc either of them, but not because of reliability, just that their striker is under full spring tension when a round is chambered and there is no striker block safety, so a sear failure would result in an accidental discharge.

I shoot a buddy's Phoenix Arms HP22 and am thinking about picking one up. Works fine as long as you shoot decent ammo in it. And Hartmen, just because you buy the ammo at Wallyworld doesn't mean it's crap ammo, just don't buy the cheapest they have, maybe see what yours carries, then google in online and pick one with a decent velocity.

DasFriek
September 26, 2010, 02:06 AM
The Pheonix .22A has long been proven to be a cheap and reliable shooter and plinker.
writerinmo- Granted i don't know how the HP works internally, But i do know any 1911 has the sear under pressure also. What you aren't seeing is built in safeties between that sear and the gun going off. Most modern guns have a firing pin saftey that would keep the gun from firing if the sear was to fail.

I cant advise you on the wife and the Lorcin .380 wedding present. I guess if you love her thats all that matters. But a Lorcin is just as bad as a Jiminez.
What ever gun store her and you are shopping is a place you guys need to forget about and go to a place that hands a wider selection of quality handguns that will last a lifetime, And maybe save hers and yours life.

I know money may be an issue, And if it is look at Hi-Points. They get no respect either but those people usually agree they at least go boom when they are supposed too.

writerinmo
September 26, 2010, 02:46 PM
Das... that's the biggest problem with the Hi Points is there isn't any type of safety preventing the firing pin from striking the round. They have a drop safety under the sear pin, a magazine safety that prevents it from being fired with the mag removed, and a safety on the left side that slide up under the sear pin on the other side that prevents it from moving downward when the safety is in position, but if the tip of the sear fails, it WILL fire. If I carry any of the ones I own (and yes, they are very reliable and loads of fun to shoot, very accurate!) then I don't carry "cocked and locked" for this reason and this one alone.) As to the 1911 design, aren't they just a hammer and firing pin design and don't they have a hammer block safety? Sorry, but it's been about oh... 30 years since I carried one in the service and my memory on them aint the best, lol!

MedWheeler
September 29, 2010, 11:09 AM
I agree that this is not a suitable carry/defensive piece for virtually anyone. However, those of you spouting the much-exhausted dollar sign in determining life value, get over that tactic already! It makes no sense. So, you spent $800 on your carry piece; does that mean you have placed the value of your life (and those of your wife and child) at $800? How did you come to that number? A thousand dollars? Fifteen hundred? Come on.. stick to the facts in educating others, not to old and tired cliches, okay?

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