Glock 4th Generation- a marketing gimmick


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No. 1
September 19, 2010, 01:59 AM
Gimmick, yes, at best it is just a marketing gimmick. I have owned and fired many Glocks. I think adding rails and groves and strap ons (lol) without focusing on the mechanics is just a marketing gimmick.

I love my second gen Glock 19. To me, Glock had topped out in the second gen. After that it has done nothing to impress me further. I wanted a better out of box trigger, night sights, etc etc. Instead, Glock comes out with more makeup and less meaningful improvements.

After handling and shooting 4th gen, I passed on it like I did on the 3rd gen. I still use my 2nd gen, and have put through is more rounds then I care to remember.

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LaserSpot
September 19, 2010, 02:27 AM
If it's a marketing gimmick, they must have forgotten to notify the marketing department. I haven't seen any marketing hyperbole from Glock on 4th gen pistols.

millertyme
September 19, 2010, 02:29 AM
I actually think I posted something to this effect when one of the Glock fanboys got all hot and bothered over new G4's. Ok, a different grip texture and interchangeable backstraps, like most of their competitors did with their previous year's models. What else? Is that all? I'm not a big fan of Glocks, but not because I think they're junk or something absurd like that. They just don't fit me like some of the other pistols I've owned. But all the hoopla over a different texture and backstraps? La-di-freaking-da.

GLOOB
September 19, 2010, 02:33 AM
It's definitely part marketing gimmick. Their marketing department doesn't have to pay for adverts when all they have to do is talk to a few gun journalists. News, marketing, same thing in this case. Americans buy stupid crap all the time, and they pay a premium when it's "new and improved" stupid crap.

Still, if it fits your hand better then it's all worth it.

Roughneck08
September 19, 2010, 02:36 AM
No.1 is now ranting on about Glock's after he bashes SIG???

No. 1
September 19, 2010, 02:40 AM
There are so many after market stuff for glock available. For example glockmiester has range of goodies that can go on your glock. I would have been happy to see if some of that stuff had become standard on all new glock. I agree with millertyme that Glock is going with 4th gen what its competitors did last year or even before.

~Boomslang~
September 19, 2010, 02:41 AM
I am not a fan of the new double recoil spring, if it aint broke dont fix it. I have seen that they are having some problems related to this as well. I feel that this was a bit of a mistake on Glocks part, as the original single guide and spring did brilliant work. They would have been better served to had put more serviceable sights and possibly a steel guide rod, even though the plastic seems to be fine. Give the customers what they are buying elsewhere, and these two items are top sellers for Glock owners. However I do like the feel of the RTF frame.

REAPER4206969
September 19, 2010, 02:44 AM
The GEN4 is 100% Due to a few LE agencies requiring the mostly useless features of modular back straps and reversible mag catch. Here is what GLOCK headquarters in Austria said about the GEN4:
Gen4 was developed because of perceived market demand; Glock does not see a real LE/Mil need for the Gen4.

Roughneck08
September 19, 2010, 02:46 AM
Wait for Reaper and FMJ to chime in they can explain the purposes. The double recoil spring was because LEO's weren't changing their recoil springs out after thousands of rounds when it needed to be replaced so the double recoil spring was to make it last longer, correct me if I am wrong.

REAPER4206969
September 19, 2010, 02:48 AM
They would have been better served to had put more serviceable sights and possibly a steel guide rod, even though the plastic seems to be fine.
Glock offers five sight options and the polymer guide rod is superior to metal. Almost all major manufactures are switching to one and the U.S. military requested Beretta replace the steel guide rod with a polymer one in the M9.

ETA:Look for a "1" on the guide rod head for the new heat resistant rod. The polymer formula was altered to prevent melting in the model 18 and during torture tests like James Yeager did.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/28/img0186rz.jpg

REAPER4206969
September 19, 2010, 02:49 AM
Wait for Reaper and FMJ to chime in they can explain the purposes.
You said it best.

Roughneck08
September 19, 2010, 02:53 AM
Haha thanks Reap just going from experience on here.

meef
September 19, 2010, 03:14 AM
There are so many after market stuff for glock available.:scrutiny:

There are, are there?

~Boomslang~
September 19, 2010, 03:25 AM
Yes as you can see, I agree that nothing is wrong with the Polymer spring guide, I was simply stating that, it is one of the most replaced parts on the Glock pistol, due to popular perception. As for the double recoil spring, they have and are experiencing problems with this. As for Polymer being superior to metal, that is not the case. It is simply more cost effective, and does the job just fine. Sights are also a huge replacement item for the glock. Again not saying anything is wrong with the current Glock sights but, people are definately buying ALOT of non Glock sights.

P30shtr
September 19, 2010, 03:35 AM
"If it's a marketing gimmick, they must have forgotten to notify the marketing department. I haven't seen any marketing hyperbole from Glock on 4th gen pistols. " - Laser spot

Ive seen ads in all the more recent gun mags... shrugs

REAPER4206969
September 19, 2010, 03:42 AM
The only thing the GEN4 changes is a 2mm shorter back strap with no adapter added.

wriggly
September 19, 2010, 04:45 AM
The only thing the GEN4 changes is a 2mm shorter back strap with no adapter added.
The Gen4 grip fits me better, and I like it. The rest was superflous to me, and they should not have done it.

Full Metal Jacket
September 19, 2010, 04:49 AM
After handling and shooting 4th gen, I passed on it

most people do.


the gen3's are still outselling the gen4's by a stretch at all my local shops.

REAPER4206969
September 19, 2010, 05:21 AM
The Gen4 grip fits me better, and I like it.
That's all that really matters.

LUPUS
September 19, 2010, 07:11 AM
Especially the 9x19 mm ammunition used in many parts of the world is much more hotter then ones in the US. And in many parts of the world it is almost impossible to get OEM spare parts including the recoil springs. So most of the semiautomatic pistols have to live with the original recoil spring that came with the pistol. And any kind of aftermarket grip work such as grip reduction is almost just a kind of imagination. I am sure that Gen4 Glocks will be much more appreciated and well comed in other parts of the world outside the US.

Best.

Sapper771
September 19, 2010, 07:35 AM
I had a Gen4 G17. I liked all of the newer features, minus the backstrap design. I feel that they could have come up with something better.
I did not have any trouble with the dual recoil spring. It fed, fired, and ejected just fine, even with weaker 9mm. The larger magazine release and RTF3 were the highlights IMO.

My close friend carries a Gen4 G17. He has not had anything negative to say about it yet.

wow6599
September 19, 2010, 09:58 AM
Before I state my opinion, let me say I own both a Glock and several M&Ps.
IMHO, Glock was losing market share to S&W for the past couple of years because of the M&P line and is now playing catch-up.
The M&P, to me, feels about as good in hand as any polymer gun I have held or shot.

Hangingrock
September 19, 2010, 11:05 AM
The marketplace defines the viability of the product or service being offered. If your customers and or potential customers are requiring certain features/improvements (some questionable in my opinion) then change is inevitable. That or you lose market share and become a relic of the past. Customers are what they are the life blood of business.

I agree that the S&W-MP pistols are gaining traction in the market place. Never ignore your competition. Copying is the sincerest form of flattery.

Zerodefect
September 19, 2010, 11:17 AM
I had a Gen4 G17. I liked all of the newer features, minus the backstrap design. I feel that they could have come up with something better.
I did not have any trouble with the dual recoil spring. It fed, fired, and ejected just fine, even with weaker 9mm. The larger magazine release and RTF3 were the highlights IMO.

My close friend carries a Gen4 G17. He has not had anything negative to say about it yet.

Odds are, aftermarket backstraps for the g4 will come eventually.

mesinge2
September 19, 2010, 11:21 AM
Odds are, aftermarket backstraps for the g4 will come eventually.

A soft rubber one would be great for the snappy loads.

ugaarguy
September 19, 2010, 01:25 PM
Have y'all seen them newfangled automobiles? They're puttin' front seats in 'em that you can adjust to fit ya better. On top of that they're coverin' the seats in fancy things like cloth and leather.

Well the old fixed position, bolted in, canvas covered seat always worked just fine for me. Them newfangled adjustable cloth & leather seats is just a marketing gimmick, and nothing more, 'cause I don't have a use for em.

joepav
September 20, 2010, 05:57 AM
I don't see how it is a gimmick. I am a leftie so switching the mag. release is a must. I wouldn't even buy a Glock before. Now I have a 22.

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