anyone have a Sig p238 that IS NOT a lemon?


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piece of meat
September 19, 2010, 03:59 PM
of all the guns ive researched online, this one has BY FAR the most negative reviews/problems ive ever seen.

it seems like such a neat little gun, and on paper would be the best in its class...just wondering how many of you own this model, and have NOT had problems with it?

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swiftak
September 19, 2010, 05:11 PM
Mine is great so far.
I've shot reloads, factory, cast bullets and jacketed bullets.
Not even a hint of a problem.
Probably fired 3 to4 hundred rounds so far. Owned it 6 months or so.

benzuncle
September 19, 2010, 05:20 PM
You are correct; there have been quite a few customers that have had problems with their P238's. There are threads on several forums attesting to various problems. Some have returned them to Sig and had the problems fixed; others have not had them fixed to their satisfaction and still others just "got shed" of it and moved on. (I think we can all agree that it is not a cheap firearm.) However, if you read between those responses you will also find quite a few owners that have had zero problems from day one. They have fallen in love with the P238. One contributor purchased one for himself and his wife. 2 different models; neither has had a problem.

I was one of the customers that did have a problem. I contacted them, sent it back on their dime and received it back from them, once again on their dime 4 weeks later as promised. The CS was stellar. (I have to tell you, I did eat a Listermint before speaking with the CS rep on the phone; that may have had something to do with it. :D) I have since shoved 300+ rounds through my P238 HD since getting it back. (This was done shooting at least 100 rounds through it at each session.) I left it dirty between the first and second hundred rounds just to see if that might pose a problem. It did not.

I would suggest that if the P238 intrigues you consider rereading the past threads. Most of the people that have had no problems only say it once. Those that have had issues often respond with several posts explaining their plight. This makes it look like there are a lot more customers with problems. If you are still not satisfied, there are plenty of other 380's on the market. But I have to tell ya, I seriously doubt they will have such a soft recoil or shoot as nice as the P238.

Zerodefect
September 19, 2010, 05:38 PM
Not here.

Flint Ridge
September 19, 2010, 05:58 PM
Most are seemingly fine. Some have problems and are fixed if sent in. A small number are plagued with issues - if you land in this latter category as I have you wish you had never laid eyes on one.

Keep in mind problems tend to show up on the interenet. Also, plenty are still NIB or fired only a magazine or so. Therefore I contend that there will be problematic P238's for decades to come as the NIB ones actually get used or are sold. Beware the early models regardless. Better luck apparently with the fresh ones off the line.

Wish mine worked it had real potential.

Bill2e
September 19, 2010, 06:33 PM
Not me, but a friend of mine has one and the gun is perfect. Shoots everything and shoots it well. Fun gun to shoot. very accurate and zero recoil. The only thing i do not like about his gun is that it is not mine.

03Shadowbob
September 19, 2010, 06:37 PM
I have 2. One is a safe queen and the other a carry gun. My carry gun has been flawless. The other I have not shot.

sidheshooter
September 19, 2010, 06:40 PM
Mine is excellent.

I guess it's about time I told the story:

I was in my favorite LGS maybe a year+ to a year and a half ago. There, to my amazement, was a used P238, complete with night sights (then still optional) and three mags.

Folks, most of the time, my wife is right about all the excess time I spend on gun forums.

This was not one of those times.

Looking at the mags, I saw that the one in the gun had a semi rounded follower, while both the extras had a sharply triangulated follower that stuck up something close to a quarter-inch more. Uh huh... I think I might know why this guy traded in a new, high-demand pocket pistol for a shotgun...

$500 OTD (not bad at that point in time, not bad at all). A quick trip to the range confirmed my suspicions, and backed up all that I had read about P238 mags online: the one in the gun was flawless (if perhaps a little tentative locking the slide stop up) while the two extras completely blocked ejection of the last case from the chamber, completely tying up the gun, every time. By the time I was on the second failure with each spare mag, I had the type of grin on my face that is usually described as an expletive combined with consumption... never have I been that exited about a reoccuring malf before, I can tell you that for sure!

The next week, I called the lady at Sig that everyone said to ask for (valerie? Yvonne? It's in some thread around here somewhere) an RA number from Sig, a trip to the post office and about four weeks later, and I had two shiny blister packs with new shiny mags inside.

Those worked exactly as they should; feed, eject and positive lock open on the last round, everytime.

I'm somewhere well over 500 rounds, including part of a level 2 handgun class, with no failures since the bad batch mags went back to mama Sig for exchange.

Color me happy; mine's more rose than lemon.

EAJ
September 19, 2010, 07:24 PM
Purchased mine serveral months ago. No issues to date using OE SIG mags, and OE Colt Mustang and Government mags.

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/sig238_02.jpg

http://www.fishkind.com/collection/images/holster2.jpg

The next week, I called the lady at Sig that everyone said to ask for (valerie? Yvonne? It's in some thread around here somewhere) an RA number from Sig, a trip to the post office and about four weeks later, and I had two shiny blister packs with new shiny mags inside.

Ask for Victoria; she's the best! :)

Jed Carter
September 19, 2010, 07:52 PM
Mine runs fine with SIG and Colt magazines, 5 types of range and SD ammunition. About 800 rounds all worked fine, spring is still same length as replacement I bought. With tilting barrel it has less recoil than my P232, but the P232 out shoots the P238. I only have one complaint about the P238 and that is the 8lb trigger, a 5.5lb would be more to my liking.

M2 Carbine
September 19, 2010, 09:32 PM
anyone have a Sig p238 that IS NOT a lemon?
I wish.:D

Mine has been a real problem since I passed about 300 rounds.

I've got the UPS label to send it in for the 2nd time and I have zero confidence that SIG will get it reliable.

dstag
September 19, 2010, 09:36 PM
I love mine. No problems of any kind. I have only fired about 200 rounds through it. Great fit. Nice trigger. Well finished.

LightningMan
September 19, 2010, 09:38 PM
Mine has been functioned fine with the exception of having a short recoil spring life. If you shoot it very much better buy extra springs for it. My suggestion for anyone using this for a carry gun would be; Buy extra springs, at least 2, but more is better, break the gun in by shooting it till you are happy its reliable. After that install a new spring and test fire it with 50 rds. of your chosen SD ammo and if it doesn't have a hickup don't keep using that spring, as it will be your spring for conceal carry. For practice use the old one or another one. I would not want to always try and keep a round count on a spring that may be needed to protect my life.
If you have been reading the forums, you will find some folks have not been getting even close to SIG's recommended 1500 rds. time to change recoil spring, it has been all over the place on round count. Some have been as low as 300 rds. while some are over 600 and still going. Mine personally broke at around 400 rds. This is just my opinion your milage may vary, LM.

M2 Carbine
September 19, 2010, 09:57 PM
you will find some folks have not been getting even close to SIG's recommended 1500 rds.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/SIGP238recoilspring.jpg

Mine is on the 4th spring in about 400-450 rounds.

Tommygunn
September 19, 2010, 11:15 PM
Mine is good to go.
I like the gun. All these threads about P238s with problems have gotten me a bit paranoid though . . . . .

Blind Bat
September 19, 2010, 11:34 PM
M2 - The spring compressed itself that much in <200 rounds?!?!? That is crazy. They must have serious issues with their heat treating.

Craig M. Arnold
September 19, 2010, 11:49 PM
I have two SIG P238s. Both run fine with my reloads and factory ammo. I have over 1,000 rounds through each of my little SIGs with zero failures.

Best regards.




http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/cmarnold7/Gun%20Pictures/SIGP2387012.jpg

kokapelli
September 20, 2010, 07:09 PM
I'm kind of into pocket 380s and have shot most of the current brands and none of the ones i've owned and shot come close to the P238 in felt recoil and accuracy.

Mine has 600 rounds through it without a single problem of any kind and am still on the original recoil spring.

Sauer Grapes
September 20, 2010, 08:08 PM
I talked with a girl who is a DIE HARD Sig lover. She bought 3 of them. I guess one in every flavor. All 3 were bad out of the box. Boy , was she pissed!

Not sure what the outcome was, but I know she sent them back to Sig. I have lousy luck, so I think I'll pass on the 238 for now.

I agree though, the disgruntled owners will drowned out the happy customers.

Guns and more
September 20, 2010, 08:36 PM
anyone have a Sig p238 that IS NOT a lemon?
Yep. Me and thousands of others. Your premise is flawed.

philip964
September 20, 2010, 11:11 PM
I have had zero problems with the exception of when I introduced the gun to a new magazine I had bought at a store which claimed it was a factory SIG magazine. The magazine performed poorly with the new magazine. So I returned it and it is back to being perfect again.

I do not shoot this gun as accurately as a full size pistol. From 15 yards my shots all will fit in a 24 inch diameter circle around the bullseye.

A pistol instructor was interested in my gun so I let him fire it. He had never fired a P238 before and just like that put three shots in a 4 inch diameter circle around the bullseye. His second shot actually hit the edge of the bullseye.

I have my work cut out for me and I certainly cannot blame the small size of the gun any more.

I even scored some .380 ammo last week so I am a happy camper.

aryfrosty
September 20, 2010, 11:55 PM
I bought a 238 about 2 weeks ago and it has been a great gun. My ONLY problem has been finding Sig mags, even 'though I was willing to buy at their serious overprice. Even Sig claims they are out of stock. I didn't look for Colt Mags 'though I do know they will work. (I went to CDNN and bought 4 Metalform 'Sig/Colt' mags with round topped followers and they fit better than the factory mag and feed well also. $16. -+ each ) I look upon my Sig as a "belly gun", 'after Jeff Cooper', and carry it in a factory leather pocket holster. I paid $600 for mine and it came with a super pocket holster, a hard polymer belt holster and Siglite sights. (Trijicons). I have a Mustang that has been around a while; I like the feel of the Sig better...more room on the shorter grip frame?

kokapelli
September 21, 2010, 09:50 AM
I bought a 238 about 2 weeks ago and it has been a great gun. My ONLY problem has been finding Sig mags, even 'though I was willing to buy at their serious overprice. Even Sig claims they are out of stock. I didn't look for Colt Mags 'though I do know they will work. (I went to CDNN and bought 4 Metalform 'Sig/Colt' mags with round topped followers and they fit better than the factory mag and feed well also. $16. -+ each ) I look upon my Sig as a "belly gun", 'after Jeff Cooper', and carry it in a factory leather pocket holster. I paid $600 for mine and it came with a super pocket holster, a hard polymer belt holster and Siglite sights. (Trijicons). I have a Mustang that has been around a while; I like the feel of the Sig better...more room on the shorter grip frame?
Midway has all kinds of Colt Mustang mags from $16.95 up.

I purchased three of the $16.95 mags and they work perfectly in my P238.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/#colt%20mustang%20mags____-_1-2-4_8-16-32

Jolly Rogers
September 21, 2010, 12:34 PM
I love my trouble free Sig P238.
Joe

Broken Anvil
September 21, 2010, 01:00 PM
I've got about 400 rounds through mine, no problems at all. Carries well, shoots great and feels like a "real gun". I will keep an eye on that spring though.

DennisE
September 21, 2010, 04:43 PM
Mine works great every time stock from the factory. Dennis

kokapelli
September 21, 2010, 04:51 PM
There are a couple of people that post here at the Highroad that for one reason or another like to bash the P238, but from what i'm seeing in this thread most P238 owners like me are very satisfied with their pistol.

Adam5
September 21, 2010, 09:55 PM
I had about 500 rounds through mine without any issues when I sold it. A friend is pushing 1000 with his.

HisSoldier
September 22, 2010, 01:54 AM
My HD model works well, I replaced the cheap plastic trigger with one of the stainless triggers we made for Mustangs and .380 Gov't, and that dropped right in, but there is still the problem of the cheap plastic mainspring housing, I'll be making some of those up in stainless too I guess. Other than the two plastic parts I like mine.

Shadowdancer
September 22, 2010, 02:12 PM
I love mine as well. It is my EDC.

Ben86
September 22, 2010, 02:49 PM
My dad's is great so far. 100 rounds and not a problem. It's the nicest .380 I've ever shot. It really outclasses my LCP.

oldgoat46
September 22, 2010, 10:01 PM
Mine is trouble free. I would rely on the P 238 before I would trust a Keltec or my ruger LCP

IMTHDUKE
September 22, 2010, 10:46 PM
After a recoil spring replacement.....mine is good to go.

MikePapa1
September 23, 2010, 05:41 PM
I've got two that are great. Ditto for my son's Equinox. The nicest .380 I've ever owned. Great pocket pistol.

6x6pinz
September 23, 2010, 09:14 PM
was at my favorite gun shop today and they said they were tired of me always picking one up and not taking it out with me. I ended up taking one out tonight for $335 NIB out the door. I hope it is as good as my p230's, which I carry daily and trust whole heartedly.

M2 Carbine
September 24, 2010, 10:44 AM
I put another 50 mixed rounds through my P238. I got several light primer strikes and failures to extract/eject. That's about normal for this gun.
I like shooting this gun. Ended up chasing tin cans around the berm.:)

When SIG had the gun they put another new reciol spring in it, the 4th.
This is the spring after about 100 rounds. A new spring is on the bottom.

SIG sent me another UPS lable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Bell406_206B/SIGP238spring.jpg

AK103K
September 24, 2010, 03:56 PM
I ended up taking one out tonight for $335 NIB out the door.
Thats cheap. I got more than that in a dealer trade getting rid of mine (a plain Jane model), and I took a beating doing the trade.

I hope it is as good as my p230's, which I carry daily and trust whole heartedly.
I have a couple as well, and they have always been great guns. They are two of the few SIG's I've kept since selling most of the others off, and I doubt they'll be going anywhere anytime soon. Unfortunately, my P238 was nothing like them. Hope yours fares better.

Jamesk
September 24, 2010, 04:22 PM
6X6- Does he have any more? You Got a heck of a deal! I bought one a couple of weeks ago and really like it but havent shot a full box of 50 out of it yet. So far so good.

omu
February 27, 2011, 01:34 AM
I've got hundreds of rounds through mine - hollow point and ball ammo. Love it. No problems at all even with daily carry.

nwilliams
February 27, 2011, 01:58 AM
I haven't read very many negative reviews on the 238, most people who own them seem to like them and those are the people I listen to, actual owners.

My friend has had his for about a year now and he really likes it, I've shot it and I like it a lot but haven't decided to take the plunge yet on one myself.

Peter M. Eick
February 27, 2011, 10:45 AM
My shooting buddy has 2 perfectly reliable 238's.

It was my 238HD that had problems. It is very model dependent.

JR956678
February 27, 2011, 10:47 AM
Mine is very accurate, comfortable to shoot, and totally reliable. One of the best handguns I own.

FIVETWOSEVEN
February 27, 2011, 12:08 PM
One thing about the internet is that alot of people will buy a P238 and be happy with it and thats it, then you get those that sometimes have really big mouths and just start bashing it and that is all you hear about it.

mopar92
February 27, 2011, 12:28 PM
Mine is amazing.... NO FTF or FTE since new... I didnt even clean it. Just fired it out of the box. I can't imagine it being a LEMON...

BENBRU
February 27, 2011, 12:46 PM
The 238 is a great gun. There is a current recall on certain ones... I can't remember a pocket pistol being released without a recall. I'm a big believer in Sig and all that they do, if you do have a problem their customer service is TOP NOTCH. So... buy from Sig with confidence.

I own 3 Sigs, none have had problems... and I'm one of the rare people who had GLOCK that was a lemon... However, it got taken care of. I didn't run around yelling at the top of my lungs that Glock's are all lemons and all junk.

I have a hard time believing that any gun is a chronic lemon from what i read on forums... there are a lot of mall ninjas that are usually the loudest voices on sites like this.

So, buy from Sig with confidence... the 238 is a beautiful gun, and more often than not you're going to have a peach... Check the recall for the serial numbers affected, and pay attention to it while buying.

M2 Carbine
February 27, 2011, 12:53 PM
After two trips to SIG and new magazines, springs, etc, I've given up on the gun. It isn't even marginally reliable enough for a carry gun.

Because I won't sell a malfunctioning gun the P238 is in the junk box along with two other gems, the SKYY CPX-1 and .380 Diamondback.

You win some and you lose some.:rolleyes:


I've got hundreds of rounds through mine - hollow point and ball ammo. Love it. No problems at all even with daily carry.

Mine didn't start acting up until 300 rounds. Now it won't get through a couple magazine without jamming, feeding, extracting or ejecting.

ambidextrous1
February 27, 2011, 01:37 PM
I've had my P 238 for about half a year. It had one of those 8 pound trigger pulls that we hear about so often. I corrected mine to 5 pounds after about a half hour's investigation; no new parts or trip to the factory required. Anyone interested can PM me for simple instructions for "the fix'.

Aside from that (a manufacturing fault), my 238 has performed quite well, still on the original recoil spring. Incidentally, the P 238 is maybe the only .380 with a true single-action trigger, a la 1911. Anyone who knows of others is invited to comment.

Cheers to all.

earlthegoat2
February 27, 2011, 01:41 PM
Except of course the Colt Mustang with the 238 was based off of and the Gov't 380 its bigger brother and the Llama 380 knockoff of the Govt 380. Im sure there are pleny of others too.

Joker19
February 27, 2011, 01:52 PM
Since I carry a .380 as a backup I have to be able to count on it when needed and I really do not like Sig Sauers intro with this. You should not have to get a new flat recoil spring, it should have had one in the first place (what they never shot this gun?) You should not have to send it back to have it tuned up, it should have been so in the first place. You should not have to order new magazines that work, the one that came with it should have! All in all it is a pretty unreliable gun that will fill the needs of those that do not depend on it every day of thier lives. To tell you the truth my backup has been and still will be the Kel Tec P3AT (not one FTF and or FTE in thousands of qualifying shots.) Pretty disappointing gun and all that I work with want nothing to do with it!

Joker19
February 27, 2011, 01:55 PM
I love Sig Sauer, I carry a P220. What I don't like is the P238!

Joker19
February 27, 2011, 01:57 PM
Berreta Tomcat! Try Kel Tec P3AT! Try NAA! Many pocket guns have had no recalls! Maybe your memory is fading.

AK103K
February 27, 2011, 02:02 PM
One thing about the internet is that alot of people will buy a P238 and be happy with it and thats it, then you get those that sometimes have really big mouths and just start bashing it and that is all you hear about it.
So those of us that had trouble with them arent allowed to respond in the negative to questions asked about them? Is that what your saying?

Tell you what, lets swap, and then we'll see just how big your mouth is. :)

Jolly Rogers
February 27, 2011, 02:17 PM
I think the post you quoted is meaning that there are thousands of owners of P238s that shoot them with no troubles and don't see the need to post to this fact.
Owners that aren't satisfied with the product are MUCH more apt to post on the various fora about their issues.
If yours is a lemon, so be it, and post to that effect. Do Not Condemn the guns that aren't.
I have also seen several posts from owners that have had issues with their Sigs and had them resolved. However the post to announce the proper function is short and only once posted. Following tens of posts complaining about the malfunction. Then I have seen the same owner still jumping on the complaint band wagon even after their problem is solved... :banghead:
Joe

kokapelli
February 27, 2011, 02:49 PM
Since I carry a .380 as a backup I have to be able to count on it when needed and I really do not like Sig Sauers intro with this. You should not have to get a new flat recoil spring, it should have had one in the first place (what they never shot this gun?) You should not have to send it back to have it tuned up, it should have been so in the first place. You should not have to order new magazines that work, the one that came with it should have! All in all it is a pretty unreliable gun that will fill the needs of those that do not depend on it every day of thier lives. To tell you the truth my backup has been and still will be the Kel Tec P3AT (not one FTF and or FTE in thousands of qualifying shots.) Pretty disappointing gun and all that I work with want nothing to do with it!
I don't have the flat recoil springs and I have three different brands of magazines and have not a had a single problem.

AK103K
February 27, 2011, 03:30 PM
Owners that aren't satisfied with the product are MUCH more apt to post on the various fora about their issues.
If yours is a lemon, so be it, and post to that effect. Do Not Condemn the guns that aren't.
I agree, people with problems are probably more apt to post, and they also have a right to post that they did have troubles, as they did. They dont fall into the "I heard" groups, who seem to have an agenda all their own, for whatever reason.

Then again, you have the people who have them, who seem to get annoyed if someone has a different experience with "their" favorite gun, and feels the need to attack them like its their fault they had troubles, and not the guns.

When someone asks if any one had problems, they asked the question. Dont get mad, if someone answers with an opposing view, especially if they had trouble, hey, it happens. Their answer is by no means void because you didnt and dont agree.

Even down the road if they get it fixed, just becasue it was fixed, doesnt mean now that all the previous aggravation and problems never existed. It also doesnt mean the problem was necessarily corrected. There have been a number of people who have sent them back multiple times with no luck. Its bad enough it went back once, and as far as Im concerned, thats all any of them get, is one chance to fix it. Beyond that, if its kept, its a toy, and nothing more.

Hey, Im by no means a SIG basher either, far from it. Ive got a Mosquito and a P250, and neither have ever been a problem, although Im constantly told they should be. Unfortunately for me, SIG number 18, the P238, was my first "lemon". I always had good luck with SIG, and was never a "old school snob", and had old and new guns and liked them all. Ive also said I'd be the first to say there was a problem "if" there was one, and I didnt hesitate to say my P238 was a problem. Why, because it was. No agenda at all, just questions asked and answered, even if you dont like the answer. :)

Joker19
February 28, 2011, 02:58 PM
I depend on a firearm for my job and life. I can not feel that either would benefit from one that has as much of a problem as the P238. It simply is not have the dependability I am used to. Not sure if any of you saw the Idaho State Police officer "Junior Gonzales" shot by an escaped prisoner out of Alabama but he returned fire with a S&W .40 and it failed after the 1st round to chamber the second so all guns sometimes have a few problems. The P238 has miles to go before it LE backup capable and this is the opinion of many many in the business. It was hurried through and it is slow to repair. We will see. I carry a Sig P220 and it is the best weapon I have ever used

Ludlow
February 28, 2011, 03:30 PM
IIRC, SIG remedied the early P238's most common teething pains by switching to a slightly heavier slide. That's what I recall anyways. Carry one on my ankle for about 4, maybe 5 months now and it shoots well enough for a belly gun.

P.S. : Been 100% so far with FMJ & Federal HydraShok

27Contender
February 28, 2011, 04:40 PM
If I paid $335 for mine, I might not be as disappointed with it. Helluva a deal.

I feel like I should be charging Sig rent for it, they've had it as long as I have. Not sure I'll ever get to the point where I'd depend on it as a carry gun which was the reason I bought it. Time will tell. I remain skeptimistic. :)

Guess that makes me a basher. :rolleyes:

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