Beretta 92 or G17?


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PaJean
September 20, 2010, 04:29 PM
Hello, I'm pretty new to this forum, although I've been lurking quite a while. I have recently taken an interest in competitive shooting and after reading quite a bit, purchased a Glock 17. I normally target shoot with a Beretta 92fs (it's pretty old, about 15 years).

I purchased the G17 because during a 3 day pistol course I could not shoot my Beretta one hand/off handed. I have been practicing with the 17 for a couple of months, but am not NEARLY as accurate (wider groups) as with the Beretta.

My question is: Does anyone use a Beretta 92 for competitive shooting? If so, have you made changes to the sights? The red dots are almost no-existent in low light.

Thanks-Paula

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ny32182
September 20, 2010, 04:58 PM
What kind of competition?

PaJean
September 20, 2010, 05:06 PM
What kind of competition?
ISPC

W.E.G.
September 20, 2010, 05:39 PM
The Beretta is a very good gun.

If it works for you, then you're good-to-go.

I prefer the Glock myself.

Red Cent
September 20, 2010, 06:44 PM
I have not fired the Beretta. I do have a G34 that I plan to use in competition. The 17 weighs about 22oz. The Beretta, about 34 ounces. The Beretta will handle the recoil of your power factor better than the light Glock. My question would be the trigger. Mine is very light. The pretravel is almost nonexistent in regard to resistance.
In IDPA you would be required to fire the first shot double action on each stage with the Beretta.
Does IPSC require the same?
I guess it really comes down to what you can shoot best. I would run some drills hard and fast and see what floats up.

David E
September 20, 2010, 08:07 PM
How much better are those Beretta groups when you fire the first shot DA?

Hk Dan
September 20, 2010, 09:13 PM
Having owned both, The GLOCK will out perform the M92 once you're up to speed on both guns.

SharpsDressedMan
September 20, 2010, 10:04 PM
Recent range outings have ne believing that my CZ75 is more accurate than my Beretta 92FS. I do not have a Glock 17, but my experiences with other Glocks would lend me to believe that the average Glock 17 might ALSO be more accurate than the average Beretta 92, or easier to shootaccurately, as you have discovered.

jmorris
September 21, 2010, 09:54 AM
I ran a Beretta elite for a short while, I use a 34 now. I didn't like the fact the first trigger pull was not the same as all of the rest.

Jim Watson
September 21, 2010, 10:31 AM
The only Beretta I have ever tried hard with was extremely accurate... in slow fire. I have not run one at speed for IPSC or IDPA; although I am somewhat acquainted with the DA-SA crunch-tick in Sig-Sauer and CZ.

I agree, Beretta needs better sights, but the front being integral with the slide makes it a gunsmithing job. David Olhasso catalogs night sight installation, you could ask him about target or fibre optic sights.
http://www.olhasso.com/PS/services.htm

bartman06
September 21, 2010, 01:12 PM
The police officers in the police academy have taught us (unofficially) that the Glocks are probably better because the barrel sits lower in the gun (rather than the Beretta or Sig) because the barrel is seated lower you can get a better grip and therefor more control over the gun. They also said for us we don't want to have SA/DA guns because it is easier to train your muscle memory to a DOA. Their reasoning for us was that adrenaline dumps suck so keep it simple.

Good luck in the end it will be whatever is most comfortable for you.

And yes the Salt Lake POST is teaching its officers to shoot like competition shooters. They've shown us and it is lightning quick.

PaJean
September 22, 2010, 07:32 PM
Thanks for all the responses. I didn't realize the weight difference. I had felt both guns and guessed the Beretta 3 or 4 ounces heavier....that's what I get for guessing. Perhaps that is the main reason for my lack of accuracy. I am going to have to remember to hold the gun tighter.

Thanks again

jscott
September 22, 2010, 10:09 PM
I shoot a Beretta 92FS (stainless) for IDPA. If the red sights bother you, fill them in with white. You can get them from the factory that way so it is a legal mod. For me, the transition from DA to SA is a non-issue. My shot placement is the same DA as SA, but I do shoot (and dry-fire) a LOT. Or maybe my SA shots are just so horrible that you can't tell the difference.

Almost every match I go to where I am a new face I hear a negative comment about the Beretta. That generally subsides after they see me shoot it.

You will see some remarkable times with the Beretta amongst the better shooters. Even though there are a lot of naysayers, they are generally less experienced or just tow their buddy's line as their own.

Nonetheless, I have nothing bad to say about the Glock. Every one I have owned has been an outstanding firearm. However, if I were looking strictly for competition, I would choose the 34 over the 17.

For what it is worth, I just had the opportunity to pick up a Glock 34 and did so. I will probably put my 92 away for a few matches (but not retire it). That says nothing about the 92. It just says something about my desire to mix it up.

IDPA A37564 Master

frankge
September 23, 2010, 02:46 PM
intersted in this thread... my son 13 "took over" my M&P 9 for match shooting and I have a Taurus 92AF - not a B but damn close. I was looking at getting another M&P Pro or G34 but am not enthused about spending more money. I'm not classifed and shoot mostlhy for fun. I bought a light spring and saw where I can do couple polishing mods to smooth the action out.

Thoughts?

Jim Watson
September 23, 2010, 02:55 PM
I have a Taurus 92AF
(emphasis added)

That is the best reason I know of to shoot a Taurus.
A guy here has a large collection, he has been known to buy two guns of a new model so he can shoot one and have the other NIB to "turn a dollar."
But what he brings to IDPA is a Taurus. It is reliable and accurate.

Another shooter here was doing well with a Beretta Elite. He got into the 1911 mystique and traded his Beretta for a name brand and got stuck with a lemon. Haven't seen him at a match in a long time.

David E
September 23, 2010, 04:22 PM
I know one guy that did real well with his Taurus 92, so it's entirely possible.

But if I had a son using a specific gun that I also liked, it makes more sense to buy another one of those. This makes ammo, mags and equipment compatible between the two of you.

But if you aren't that much into competitive shooting, give the Taurus a whirl.

frankge
September 23, 2010, 06:41 PM
I'm set for both guns - holster, mags. I started shooting the 92FS and then got the M&P 9. I reload 9 so I'm good there.

Jed Carter
September 27, 2010, 09:19 PM
If you are leaning toward the Glock then I would step up to the G34. If you are still on the fence the Glock magazines are great under abuse and cheap to boot, you will need no less than 5 for IPSC. I have a 92fs and a SIG P226, I never considered using either for IPSC, nothing wrong with either pistol. Glock just makes things easier when they say "shooter make ready". Not to mention the G34 outshoots both in my experience.

chbrow10
September 27, 2010, 09:44 PM
If I read the OP correctly, you have a 92 and a G17? If you already have those, why don't you shoot a match with each gun and see how you like either. handgun performance, IMHO, is highly dependant on the ergonomics. Since you already have both guns, buy some mags for each, some cloth universal mag pouches and holster (ealiy resellable and cheap) and see which gun performs the best for you. G17 mags can be resold very easily, and are currently on sale for $19 at Natchez Shooting Sports. There are a fair amount of USPSA (USA IPSC body) stages that are stong/weak only, so that might play a part

JDMorris
September 28, 2010, 09:03 AM
well, if you arent planning on attending any glock shoots, get what you like. i personally prefer a glock. but i dont have extensive time behind either guns.

Radagast
September 28, 2010, 09:50 AM
You will get a lot of good advice on the Beretta at www.berettaforum.net

I shot the Glock 17 for a number of years, qualifying for the Australian Production team at one point. I also tried shooting the Beretta, quite unsuccessfully. I _like_ the Beretta, but I can't run and gun it.

A simple and cheap mod to the Beretta is changing out the factory hammer spring to a reduced power spring from the 92D model, or an even lighter spring from the Cougar. This will take around 4 pounds off the double action pull and 1 pound off the single.

If shooting two handed, using your left hand as the strong hand, make sure your thumbs don't contact the trigger bar on the side of the Beretta, this can make the trigger drag.

If you are shooting under USPSA & not IPSC international rules, then a trigger job from Dave Olhasso will help as well. International rules don't allow internal mods other than minor detailing.

Ernest Langdon took the IDPA championship shooting a Beretta and there is at least one Grand Master on the Beretta forum who you can ask for advice.

If you want to work with your Glock, then get a 3.5 pound trigger connector (marked with a minus symbol). This will bring your trigger pull down to around 5-6 pounds. This is the trigger bar used in the 'competition ready' Glock. There are aftermarket trigger connectors available and aftermarket triggers. I personally would stay away from them as I have read reports of the trigger safety not working with at least one brand. YMMV, I would stick with the factory parts.

Also get some better sights. The Glock sights leave a lot to be desired. I personally use Heinie Straight Eights, a lot of shooters prefer a fibre optic front sight however. installing the 3.5 pound connector halved my group size. Installing the Heinie sights halved it again.

You can smooth out the Glock trigger using the info here:
http://www.alpharubicon.com/mrpoyz/glock/ or you can shoot your Glock 20,000 times and dry fire it even more for a super smooth trigger. I did. :)

Hope this helps.

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