First Appleseed, my impressions...


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Hatterasguy
September 20, 2010, 09:02 PM
It was freaken awesome, everyone should go to at least one Appleseed. I went over the weekend and had a great time, so much fun that I'm already planning my next Appleseed!:D

For those who have never been the Appleseed teaches you how to shoot AQT's to the same level as the Marines. They teach you basic skills that can be built on, ie how to shoot from the standing, sitting and prone positions. They teach you how to properly use a sling, and how to use iron sights. Some people shoot them with optics but IMHO that's not really in keeping with what they are trying to teach you.

I had a good time, I didn't get my patch but that's ok I learned a lot and am a better shooter.

Just a few tips for anyone who hasn't gone to one.
1. Bring elbow pads! The first day was brutal on the pavement with no real padding, my elbows were raw. You spend a lot of time in prone and unless the range is grass you are going to be on pavement or gravel. Keep your elbows on something comfortable; once mine started to hurt my groups suffered.

2. Bring thumb tacks or a staple gun, you will be changing targets a lot.

3. Ammo, you are going to need quite a bit. If your shooting .22 I would bring at least 3 bricks. Its cheap and if you don't need it other shooters will, a lot of guys were buying it off each other. Whatever you shoot I would bring at least 1k if not 1.5k rounds.

4. Mags bring at least 4. AQT's require 40 rounds and the way the Appleseed does it you have to change mags between transitions. So you will need at least four 10 round mags. More isn't a bad thing, I brought 6 for my Sig and was happy because I messed up on loading and didn't have time to take rounds out. Speed loaders of any kind are also a good thing, time is tight so the faster you can stuff rounds in the mags the better. I was running 5.56 on 10 round stripper clips the first day and that worked like a charm.

5. As for the rifle pretty much any rifle will do they are not picky. But I would highly recommend starting with a .22 on the first day, than if you want switch over to a center fire the second. .22's are a great way to fix your problems without having to deal with recoil. Whatever you bring you want a good sling on it, and good sights. I would also not recommend bringing a rifle you are not very familiar with. These are run quickly, I would not want to learn a new rifle while doing one. You also want something that's reliable because on the timed shoots jams kill your score.

All in all it was a great weekend, I'm looking forward to me next Appleseed!:cool:

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SSN Vet
September 21, 2010, 05:03 PM
I'd love to go to the one in Lexinton, MA... you know, where it all began....

But I'm scared stiff to cross the MA border with any kind of firearm.

To many horror stories about guys "just passing through" only to have a car accident in MA, and then getting slapped with charges for transporting a firearm without meeting their restrictive transport and permit requirements.

Going to have to try to catch one at the Freedom Fest in NH.

My local R&G (just two miles down the road) hosted one a few years back and I completely missed it. I guess that's one good reason to attend the boring monthly meeting every now and again.

Hatterasguy
September 21, 2010, 06:34 PM
MA would scare the crap out of me. Go to one in another state it will be worth the trip, you will have an absolute blast and be hooked!:cool:

We had a shooter from Texas on the line that was staying in CT on a job, we were glad to have him. Nice guy and good shot.

bgeddes
September 21, 2010, 06:49 PM
I went to an Appleseed a few weeks ago.

Getting the sling they sell (or one like it) makes a difference in my opinion. Also, practice before you go, learning the positions and getting into them quickly.

As far as a firearm, a semi-auto .22 is well suited. 10/22s, Marlin 795s and Remington 597s were all represented well. you are going to run through a lot of ammo. We shot over 400 rounds and it was considered not shooting much for an event. We never got to the centerfires, kind of a range issue.

It is a great program. Whether you've been shooting for years or just a beginner, there is much to learn and challenging tasks.

Flynt
September 21, 2010, 06:53 PM
What are AQT's?

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 21, 2010, 07:03 PM
Annual Qualification Table?

44Dave
September 21, 2010, 07:32 PM
Army Qualification Test. Appleseed uses a 25M version of this called the QDAQT (Quck N Dirty AQT). Scaled down targets represent out to 400M people. They include time restraints, position changes, and reload stressors.

ColdDeadHand
September 21, 2010, 07:40 PM
GREAT! I was beginning to think Appleseed might have petered out since their blog hasn't had a post in over a year.

Good to hear the effort continues. I need to go do one of those. It sounds like a great time.

Ragnar Danneskjold
September 21, 2010, 07:42 PM
It can't be Army Qualification Test if it goes out to 400m. Army qual only goes out to 300m. If it's a 400m target, it's probably the Marine qualification.

bgeddes
September 21, 2010, 10:44 PM
It can't be Army Qualification Test if it goes out to 400m. Army qual only goes out to 300m. If it's a 400m target, it's probably the Marine qualification.

It is an Army qual test from the '30s or somewhere there about. When the troops did it they were using bolt guns.

Hatterasguy
September 21, 2010, 10:45 PM
They mentioned that its the Marine version of the test, the Army doesn't have to shoot to this level anymore.

http://www.gunco.net/gallery/data/500/MVC-820Xa.JPG

Perfect score is 250, you need to shoot I believe a 210 to qualify. Its 4 mags loaded with 40 rounds in 4 minutes. 10 rounds in the top target standing, 5 in each of the second targets sitting, the third line is 3,3,4 prone, the 4th, is 2,2,3,3 prone.

Its hard to do, I lost count a lot as I got tired and when you do the best thing to do is to start from the other side. But that requires a NPOA change which is a PITA as the clock is running down, and the range officers do remind you of that.

We did 10 in a row the last day, that burned a lot of ammo and was quite tiring.

Hatterasguy
September 21, 2010, 10:47 PM
It is an Army qual test from the '30s or somewhere there about. When the troops did it they were using bolt guns.

It was designed around the Garand, and a lot of the Appleseed was as well. I'm going to shoot at least one day of my next Appleseed with a Garand.

luigi
September 21, 2010, 11:04 PM
It can't be Army Qualification Test if it goes out to 400m. Army qual only goes out to 300m. If it's a 400m target, it's probably the Marine qualification.

I thought the Army went out to 400 after they switched over to the M16A2

CHEVELLE427
September 21, 2010, 11:11 PM
GETTING READY FOR THE NEXT ONE HERE,

this time im taking a camp 9

Flynt
September 22, 2010, 12:07 AM
So, everything's @ 25 meters? I guess you could use a 22 all the time if you wanted to.

CHEVELLE427
September 22, 2010, 12:14 AM
as long as they use the 30cal rule. here they did not.

if the 22 was close but a 30 would break the line you got the score, here if the 22 was close it was just close

Hatterasguy
September 22, 2010, 12:50 PM
They used the .30cal rule for the one I went to.

We shot at 100 yards for a bit, it depends on where the Appleseed takes place. Out west they do shoot to 400m, around here most ranges are shorter.

Either way I would strongly recommend shooting the first day with a .22, its a lot easier to fix mistakes on a .22.

For my next one I'm going to shoot my .22 for the first day and a CMP Garand I'm going to be buying for the second.

FROGO207
September 22, 2010, 10:34 PM
SSN VET I think that there is one in Washington county next month. I think it is in Columbia Falls if not mistaken. I will try to find out.

FROGO207
September 22, 2010, 10:40 PM
Repost Sorry

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