Bonnie & Clyde Whippet


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whitecoyote
September 21, 2010, 12:43 AM
Bonnie & Clyde Whippet shotgun.
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c-bag
September 21, 2010, 02:25 AM
Nice gun. I saw on the history channel that they also put a leather loop on the abbreviated butt-stock that would go over your shoulder so the gun would hang barrel-down under your arm. Keep it out of view under an overcoat and when you need it open the jacket, raise the forearm with your off-hand and start blasting.

whitecoyote
September 21, 2010, 02:51 AM
Nice gun. I saw on the history channel that they also put a leather loop on the abbreviated butt-stock that would go over your shoulder so the gun would hang barrel-down under your arm. Keep it out of view under an overcoat and when you need it open the jacket, raise the forearm with your off-hand and start blasting.
Good information, I'm working on that.
Been searching for pictures, but unable to locate any.
Thanks. :)

mnrivrat
September 21, 2010, 05:10 AM
That is sort of puzzling to me - authentic? Interesting that the bullet casing and the bullet could be matched to say the bullet came from that case , interesting in that they call the sawed off shotgun a Browning rifle, and interesting that the authentic wipit was a Remington Model 11 and not a Browning at all.

What am I not seeing here ?

RandKL
September 21, 2010, 07:47 AM
That is sort of puzzling to me

Why? He's showing his gun sitting in front of some pretty interesting backdrops. There's no implication that the backdrop is describing the gun. The bullet and casing are in a framed presentation case and the gun is simply in front of it. A good presentation and a good read in my opinion.

That cartridge....it could have been simply a recovery at a crime scene....or it could have been fired as a test round or a souvenir from the captured gun. The article doesn't say. I suspect the second, though. I think it was probably fired from the captured gun specifically for that limited edition presentation display.

I'd love to know what part of the BAR was cut down, though. Stock alone? Would be interesting to see.

rich

RevolvingGarbage
September 21, 2010, 11:07 AM
If I remember my history correctly, they lopped the buttstock off after the grip, and the barrel was cut right after the gas block.

Ratshooter
September 21, 2010, 02:27 PM
If those captured guns were cut down by Clyde I wonder who reinstalled the sights and who put the bead on the shotgun? The Texas Ranger museum in Waco Tx that has a couple of Clydes guns but I don't remember which ones. I have been there once and its a neat place to go if your in the area.

Here is a good site for clyde and bonnie reading. http://texashideout.tripod.com/bc.htm

My grandfather was arrested once and spent several days in the Dallas jail because they thought he was Clyde. Identification was spotty back in those days.

You can get a book written by Ted Hinton on the hunt for B&C off ebay. Its a good read. Ted was the main hunter of B&C, NOT Frank Hammer by the way and the book is an account of the year or so he spent on the road. He was a Dallas policeman and knew Clyde and Bonnie by sight.

jimmyraythomason
September 21, 2010, 03:03 PM
The Texas Ranger museum in Waco Tx that has a couple of Clydes guns but I don't remember which ones. I have been there once and its a neat place to go if your in the area.
I agree! It is a GREAT place! They do have at least one "whippet" belonging to either Bonnie or Clyde. IIRC,one that is on display there is Bonnie's A5 cut-down in 20 gauge.

Dave McCracken
September 21, 2010, 11:52 PM
IIRC, Bonnie's Whippit was a Model 11 Remington, similar to the A-5.

Thanks for posting this, I've long wanted a 12 gauge Model 11 Whippit.....

whitecoyote
September 22, 2010, 12:57 AM
The question of the day....
Is it Whippet or Whippit? :uhoh:

mnrivrat
September 22, 2010, 04:49 AM
Why? He's showing his gun sitting in front of some pretty interesting backdrops. There's no implication that the backdrop is describing the gun. The bullet and casing are in a framed presentation case and the gun is simply in front of it. A good presentation and a good read in my opinion.

It's the letter of authenticity inside the frame . And I suppose that I didn't catch the part that it was not associated with the shotgun other than being B&C related. Just how did they recover the casing AND its fired bullet to creat the authentic prize inside

jimmyraythomason
September 22, 2010, 08:26 AM
IIRC, Bonnie's Whippit was a Model 11 Remington, similar to the A-5.
It may have indeed been a Model 11 but I'm pretty certain it was labeled a Browning.

Double Naught Spy
September 22, 2010, 08:52 AM
Why is a letter of authenticity numbered 77 of 150?

RandKL
September 22, 2010, 02:45 PM
The question of the day....
Is it Whippet or Whippit?

Whipit. As in "whip it out" quickly.

r

KodiakBeer
September 22, 2010, 04:15 PM
Actually, there were many whippet/whip-it/whippit guns. Not only owned by Clyde Barrow, but by all of the gangsters of the period. They cut down BAR's, Winchester 351's, Model 11/A-5's, and any other long arm you can think of. They also manufactured full auto 1911's with 18 and 22 round mags (.45 and .38 super respectively).

Baby face Nelson was the most renowned gangster "gun nut" of the period. He was always coming up with strange weapons and supplied many other bank robbers of the period.

They had pet gunsmiths, Hyman Lebman/Lehman is the best known ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyman_S._Lehman ) who altered guns for the gangster trade.

They also had pet mechanics who bored out the cylinders of large touring cars to enable them to outrun the law. They kept safe houses dotted around the country. They had people who did nothing but facilitate contact between individuals and gangs. It was a highly organized business.

ElToro
September 23, 2010, 01:18 AM
i think the Rem 11 were marketed as "american brownings" whatever. same gun almost, minus the mag cut off.
when all else fails, go NFA :evil: not mine but what my 18 incher will become if i ever figure out a way for somebody to sign a Form 1 or i move to free America
the A5 gets no love as a quality defensive piece.

to teh OP.. who did your barrel cut and bead install ? looks good

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/nfa2.jpg

mine looks closer to this with short stock and legal barrel - not my gun
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/lgwhippit.jpg

and of course being an outlaw means you dont have to follow no stinkin laws. heres a pic of B&C's shotguns
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/cbarrowpns.jpg

whitecoyote
September 23, 2010, 01:38 AM
Eltoro,
to teh OP.. who did your barrel cut and bead install ? looks good
I cut the barrel to 18.5".
The barrel was then taken to Mag-Na-Port. They machined the crown, cleaned it all up, and installed the brass bead. :)

ElToro
September 23, 2010, 01:55 AM
they did a good job. think theres enough meat left in there at that length to do a briley thin wall choke ? now that would be cool... show up at a skeet range and properly choked out, start busting all kinds of clays. the snobs would wet themselves. specially with your over the shoulder leather whippit sling ! even better, do it with the NFA gun. lol

Wahoo95
October 13, 2011, 11:40 AM
I just picked up an old A-5 that I am considering making into a Whippit

Sport45
October 13, 2011, 12:00 PM
Why is a letter of authenticity numbered 77 of 150?

I imagine they were able to pick up lots of bullets and brass after the shootout.

The certificate is for ammo from the BAR's in the bottom picture. Not the shotgun.

SleazyRider
October 13, 2011, 12:02 PM
Arrrrgh! Don't do it, I beg you! :D

FIVETWOSEVEN
October 13, 2011, 12:19 PM
and of course being an outlaw means you dont have to follow no stinkin laws. heres a pic of B&C's shotguns

If you're talking about the guns themselves, there wasn't a gun that you couldn't own back then. The registration of machine guns and short long guns came to be shortly after that whole ordeal.

jl1288
October 13, 2011, 07:33 PM
My house gun while by no means a ''whippit'' is an original short barrel mod. 11 it appears to have been issued to a TX prison guard in the 1930's. When I bought some miscreant had painted the whole gun green, and added a +2 mag extension to it. After 2mos and a total dis-assembly I got it back to what was underneath, which was actually quite nice.

FIVETWOSEVEN
October 14, 2011, 03:09 PM
I didn't even know they made an extension for the Auto 5.

rcmodel
October 14, 2011, 03:19 PM
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/142203/nordic-components-magazine-tube-extension-assembly-browning-auto-5-bps-12-gauge-4-round-matte

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=12559/GunTechdetail/Competition-Brownells-Style-Putting-the-Gunsmith-Techs-On-the-Line-Part-I

If you go with an extension on an A-5 or Model 11 , make absolutely 100% sure the threads seat fully and tighten the forearm in place correctly.
If it doesn't, you will crack the forearm.

rc

Dave McCracken
October 14, 2011, 03:21 PM
527, I've seen a few. Also, the Model 11 Remington was frequently equipped with a long barrel and a to the muzzle extension for waterfowling back in the day.

One of the reasons the Feds have that three shot capacity limit was those extensions. Another was Winchester 97s and 12s. Market gunners LOVED stuff like that.

whitecoyote
April 6, 2014, 12:25 AM
B.T.T.;)

200Apples
April 6, 2014, 01:30 PM
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Thanks a LOT, Wiley... sheesh.

I'd been schooled on the inner beauty of that style of Browning... and have known I'd have one at some point... but your post, sir, has moved a Medium Twelve onto the short list. lol.

Jim Watson
April 6, 2014, 02:27 PM
While you could cut about anything down into a Whippet, the gun I learned to associate with the term was a Remington Model 17, ancestor of the Ithaca 37.

mac66
April 6, 2014, 02:53 PM
I should point out that Savage was also licensed to make the Browning A5. It was called the Model 720. Same gun, I have one.

I6turbo
April 6, 2014, 10:33 PM
I prefer a longer LOP on a gun of that nature, but then again I'm not planning to carry it around under an overcoat or anything like that. Here's my Auto 5. It's very well balanced and points quickly.

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