Docter or Burris Fastfire Sight on an Auto


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SharpsDressedMan
September 21, 2010, 11:50 AM
In an attempt to get a better sight picture without overdoing it, I have been thinking of getting a competent gunsmith to mill a slide on one of my semi autos, either a CZ75 or S&W 1006, to give me a better and faster sight for my aging eyes. Does anyone know of a gunsmith who might work on those weapons, and possibly have done this type of work before? I've seen pics of some Glocks, but not recently, and can not find a reference for same. If you have had similar sights done, and I mean where the slide is milled to set these sights in lower, could you post some pics. I understand Angus Hobdell of CZ custom shop has done these on CZ's for competition shooters, for one. Anyone else?

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noylj
September 21, 2010, 12:41 PM
I have not had any success with any such sight except the Docter.
The Burris would not adjust for POA. The J-point would not adjust for POA and it broke (the LED fell loose) after about 50 shots. An off-brand had the lens fall out and the LED go dead after 2 shots.
I do not see the Docter still available, and I am hoping that the Leupold will be as good.

Bigdave24
September 21, 2010, 08:50 PM
I have heard that these optics do not hold up well with the slide velocity of pistols.

DBR
September 21, 2010, 10:27 PM
Before they offered the modified Glock as a product some of the threads on the following site mentioned a gunsmith who was modifying slides for dot sights. It may take a bit of looking but there is a fair amount of discussion here:
http://www.warriortalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=205

Hanzo581
September 21, 2010, 10:33 PM
If I was going to mount a red dot on any of my pistols I'd use something like this...may want to give it a try instead of having to have something milled into it.

http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Pistol-Handgun-Scope-Mount/2598298/product.html

Skylerbone
September 21, 2010, 10:59 PM
Hanzo, that's a bottom rail for laser sight or flashlight, not a RDS just FYI. The Docter sight is still available but sold under the Trijicon label. Haven't heard much good about Burris lately especially in the reliability department.

Sharps, if you're looking for a gunsmith to mill the slide and again, I don't know if he'd be willing on your particular model, try the following link to David Bowie's sight (NOT THE ROCK STAR): http://www.bowietacticalconcepts.com/index.html. Mr. Bowie has done work for the likes of Larry Vickers and is active in the LEO community in addition to being a competitive shooter and gunsmith.

Best of luck in your search. You may wish to look in to the new Leupold as well or check in to this: http://www.rapidreticle.com/sopscauto.htm and http://www.rapidreticle.com/mounts.htm. I have their 3-9x riflescope and it bests my Sightron and Leupolds by far.

Hanzo581
September 21, 2010, 11:02 PM
Uh...look at it again, it utilizes the rail normally used for light/laser but it then provides a rail over the slide to attach a red dot.

PO2Hammer
September 21, 2010, 11:04 PM
The Docter sight is still available from Trijicon.
Trijicon also makes the RMR (ruggedized miniature reflex) sight, one battery powered, one powered by fiber optics and tritium. I have had the full size reflex sight for over ten years and it's very rugged and reliable.
http://www.trijicon.com/user/parts/parts_new.cfm?categoryID=13

I had an early Tasco (?not sure if that's the right brand) mini red dot on a Glock 19 many years ago, it was more accurate and easy to see, but not faster. The dot doesn't appear until you have the gun in near perfect alignment. Sometime I had to hunt for it. Perhaps if you have extensive practice with your gun and it always comes to eye with perfect sight alignment the dot sight might not slow you down, but I don't think it will be faster.

I'm hoping to put the Trijicon RMR fiber optic sight on my Glock 20 someday, but it's a range/fun gun, not a serious self defense piece.

Skylerbone
September 21, 2010, 11:43 PM
My apologies, Hanzo, I missed that and stand corrected.

wally
September 22, 2010, 08:36 PM
I have heard that these optics do not hold up well with the slide velocity of pistols

I've got the Burris Fastfire on my RIA it has seen many thousands of rounds. No trouble zeroing and I've not adjusted it since the first time despite several battery changes.

Milling the slide can be tricky to get right, I'd stick with sights you can get the rear sight adapter plate to replace your rear. The adjustment range on these things is limited.

Hanzo581
September 22, 2010, 09:09 PM
My apologies, Hanzo, I missed that and stand corrected.

No problem, I just didn't want people to think I was a dingbat. :-p

bgrav321
September 22, 2010, 09:50 PM
Hanzo, that looks like an ingenious idea. Has anyone used one? Its almost like an AK/Dragunov mount for a pistol! Does it have the ability to remove the assemly and then reinstall it and hold zero? (like some claim for the dragunov)

Hanzo581
September 22, 2010, 10:04 PM
I used something similar in the past on my Walther P22 and it held zero after removing and putting back on, but I have never used a system like that for anything higher in caliber. For ten bucks I might just give it a try to test it on my XD45.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/wal_p22_bridge_mnt.jpg

Now of course that one was polymer, the one I linked earlier is aluminum so I'd imagine it would be even better.

smince
September 22, 2010, 10:05 PM
I've had a J-Point mounted to my G19 since May, with about 500 rounds through it. No problems so far.

With an Aristocrat mount and a Dawson Precision .335 front sight, I get co-witness without milling.

This gun is no more difficult than carrying a regular G19 for EDC.

http://www.thehighroad.org/[IMG]http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/msmince/HPIM1429.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii219/msmince/HPIM1429.jpg

Skylerbone
September 22, 2010, 10:36 PM
Hanzo, you should change your screen name to HanZolo with that thing: O Nice looking Walther albeit a little space aged.

Hanzo581
September 22, 2010, 10:55 PM
Ha ha, it was a neat little set up, though the picture is showing it on a air pistol it basically is the same as a .22lr :-D

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