.270 win all around caliber?


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sureshot
September 25, 2010, 07:30 PM
Is the .270 win a truly all around caliber that is useful for deer, elk, black bear, moose, coyotes, big horns & mountain goat. If you could have a calliber that would be good for all that what would it be? I have used a 7mm rem mag, 30-06, and .270, the 30-06 would probalbly be my limits on recoil.

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Justin Holder
September 25, 2010, 08:47 PM
Yes! :rolleyes:

Vitrophyre
September 25, 2010, 08:52 PM
Are you asking if it's the best?

blackops
September 25, 2010, 08:56 PM
I actually grew up on the 270 and I believe it to be a great cartridge. However, I wouldn't use it for bear, elk, and espcially not moose.

sureshot
September 25, 2010, 09:00 PM
im not asking if its the best i dont really belive that there is a hypothetical best out there - vitrophyre
i grew up on vancouver island and kno wmany people that use the .270 for elk and my grandfather who has had his parker & hale .270 since cthe 70's has taken more moose with it than deer we just the largest grain bulet available- blackops

jimmyraythomason
September 25, 2010, 09:52 PM
For me the 30.06 wins best all round honors.

exbiologist
September 25, 2010, 10:05 PM
Yeah, but like the .30-06, it might not be ideal for certain applications, but it'll work with very few limitations. Along those same lines I use a .264 Win Mag for nearly everything from elk to antelope.

Grumulkin
September 25, 2010, 10:22 PM
Is the .270 win a truly all around caliber that is useful for deer, elk, black bear, moose, coyotes, big horns & mountain goat. If you could have a calliber that would be good for all that what would it be? I have used a 7mm rem mag, 30-06, and .270, the 30-06 would probalbly be my limits on recoil.

Of the cartridges you list for what you wish to hunt, my choice would be the 30/06.

NCsmitty
September 25, 2010, 10:25 PM
You can clump all the calibers that the OP mentioned together, for they vary little in energy and trajectory.
Proper bullet selection is always the key to a successful hunt, aside from being able to shoot the rifle accurately on game. They will all do the job with proper placement.

Not a big difference in recoil either, depending on the rifle's weight.


NCsmitty

Leaky Waders
September 25, 2010, 10:44 PM
Yes, a man with a 270 winchester, a 22 rifle and any choice of shotgun is well equipped to do anything that one would need to do in the Americas... but don't tell my wife, because then I'd have to get rid of .223's, 22-250's, 7mm08's, 30'06's, 45/70's and a trunkload of shotguns and .22's.

If you're looking for a new 270, then check out the new model 70's they are nice.

sureshot
September 26, 2010, 12:02 AM
my father has a model 70 sporter in a 30/06
my grandfather has the .270win parker & hale and the 7mm rem mag Browning a- bolt. I have used numerous .303's and have the oppertunity to attain one for free. i am also supposed to attain the .270 win when I turn 18. I am looking at a .300 win mag but dont know anyone that has one for me to try im concerned that the recoil will be to much for me. the areas i hunt range from wide open slashes to dense bush its the okanogan in B.C. as ive been told much similar terrain to idaho. that is why i want a larger round like the .300 or 30-06 because I dont like missing a shot due to twigs

sureshot
September 26, 2010, 12:04 AM
my first moose hunt had the oportunity to be great we came across a large bull but it was in thick sub alpine brush and my grandfather shot 1 and a bit of another clip at the bull but the small alder branches that lines the slash flicked the bullets away.

blackops
September 26, 2010, 12:46 AM
i grew up on vancouver island and kno wmany people that use the .270 for elk and my grandfather who has had his parker & hale .270 since cthe 70's has taken more moose with it than deer we just the largest grain bulet available- blackops

Let's put it this way. If I'm up in the Yukon on a 8k/5 day hunt, it's the last evening, and I spot a monster moose at 300yds quartering away, my first choice wouldn't be a 270. For elk, moose or any type of large game bigger and meaner than deer, it all starts with a 30/06 IMO.

sureshot
September 26, 2010, 01:10 AM
i definatly hear you on that and i really like the 30-06.
but anyone that has has experiance with a .300 win mag could you compare the recoil? or is the .300 way harder on shoulders?

CapnMac
September 26, 2010, 01:47 AM
Well, .270 is probably an ideal choice for Texas. It's suitable for the game you can find, and ammunition is available almost everywhere (unlike, say .280)

An equal case could be made for .308, and there are probably more choices of fire arm for that caliber. But, were it me, I'd go with .270, if only "just because."

Now, if bear, or moose were likely to be at the other end of the muzzle, I might then select .30-06 so that I could go to 180, 200, even 220 grain projectiles. yes, could do that with 8mm mauser or 7-mag, but, those can be hard to find in the local Academy sporting goods store in the middle of a long weekend.

OYE
September 26, 2010, 02:08 AM
270 Win is a good caliber, but I would prefer the 7 X 57 Mauser as it is ballistically
the same cartridge plus a wider range of bullets are available up to 175 grain. Which
made it one of the leading elephant cartridges a century or so ago. So if I chose to give up the 30/06, it would most certainly be for the 7 X 57 over the 270 Win.. Guess the main advantages to the magnum calibers is short barrel life, heavier gun to lug around,
more recoil, and expensive ammunition.

Sav .250
September 26, 2010, 08:09 AM
All things being equal, it`s as good as any.

Art Eatman
September 26, 2010, 09:27 AM
Recoil tolerance is pretty much subjective. An '06 is about all I want for shooting a sorta-lengthy session of full-power loads. The .300 Win Mag is maybe 10% to 15% more recoil, foot-pounds-wise. I've shot them, but sorta figured it was more than I wanted to tolerate.

The .270, '06, 7mm Rem Mag and the .300 Win Mag are all good cartridges, and the utility is pretty much the same. The nit-picky arguing about "better" or "best" gives me a serious attack of the MEGOs.

Before I'd buy something to be more powerful than a .270, I'd spend the money on reloading gear and shooting practice.

Arkansas Paul
September 26, 2010, 09:38 AM
If you could have a calliber that would be good for all that what would it be?

7mm Rem Mag for me.
The .270 will certainly do the trick under good conditions though. I agree with post 13. It's when conditions aren't good that the bigger ones shine.

The Bushmaster
September 26, 2010, 10:01 AM
The .270 is a fine choice and has proven to do well with all it has been put up against, but my choice would be .30-06

longdayjake
September 26, 2010, 10:06 AM
.270 = booo!!!

Just kidding. It works fine but I personally don't see anything wrong with the good old .30-06.

Water-Man
September 26, 2010, 10:21 AM
Yes. The .270 will dispatch all the game you mentioned.

sureshot
September 26, 2010, 04:58 PM
thank you for your time

grubbylabs
September 26, 2010, 07:46 PM
While I am no rifle expert I have seen tons of 270's around here and we hunt every thing from whistle pigs to bear and every thing in between. If it is free I would take it and do what art suggested get some reloading gear and practice. The 270 has killed a lot of elk, bear and moose.

As far as what I would choose, I just chose a 308. I had the option of getting any thing I wanted and I chose that. I plan on getting a AR-15 in the future and I only wanted to worry about one round. But again I really like what Art had to say, take the free one and reloading equipment and supplies.

jimmyraythomason
September 26, 2010, 08:04 PM
While the .270 win is a very good cartridge,it isn't very popular around these parts. It had a following for a while actually coming close to the 30.06 for a few years. If you checked the ammo stores who had Labor Day sales you found 30.06,.270 and 30-30 rifle ammo(as well as dove/quail shotgun loads) as the only centerfire cartridges featured. While a few die-hards are sticking with their pet .270s, most (or at least a lot)have replaced it with the .243 as a starter caliber for young (or female) shooters. I see many more deer hunters carrying 30.06 than .270s. My brother and his youngest son use .270s because I gave them their rifles as gifts. I say the 30.06 is more versatile because it isn't too big for coyote and isn't too small grizzlies(with the proper load). We don't have any grizzlies around here so not much call for 220 grain bullets. Largely though it comes down to personal preferrence or what you happen to have.

ken B
September 26, 2010, 08:12 PM
personally..I think anything such as the .270 or .280 would be a fine all around...but my personal choice is the 30-06, and I am biased because that's literally all I've used when I have hunted.

I think if one was, hypothetically, going to go to Africa for the smaller game, Alaska, Colorado, for most anything antlered elk sized or lower, (bear, buff, different story) then I'd go with the '06 due to the array of loads from small to what...220grains?

Which is hypothetical garbage since all I've ever run through mine were 165's!

Old Granddad
October 2, 2010, 10:57 PM
If the recoil of the .30-06 bothers you (it does me), try the Remington or Browning semi-autos, perhaps with a recoil pad. And don't be too quick to add a scope--if you're hunting in brush or heavy timber, 100 yards will be a long shot, anyway. A good peep sight will be your friend.

So I guess my answer's obvious. The .30-06 is the best all-around cartridge for all American big game, especially if you have only one hunting rifle.

I used mostly a Savage 340 in .30-30 for deer (remember, heavy timber or brush), and a 7X57 Mauser for elk. I'm small, and the lighter calibers have not made me into a flincher. I'm thus able to place my shots more carefully. All of my deer and elk, while I still hunted, were one shot kills. I've never hunted bear nor moose, so I don't need the bigger wallop. But I repeat: for all those animals listed in the original post, the .30-06 seems the only sensible choice. Still the best all-around cartridge yet invented.

Robert Wilson
October 2, 2010, 11:32 PM
With today's "super bullets" the .270 is certainly adequate for any non-dangerous North American big game. If the gun will manage bullets like the Barnes TSX you are in business.

Traditional wisdom holds that the .30-06 is more versatile, and with traditional bullets that's true. I'd rather hit an elk with a .30 caliber 220 than a .27 caliber 150, if I have to use cup-and-core bullets. But with the homogeneous alloy bullets, I'm not sure there's enough difference to matter.

Having said that, I don't find enough difference in recoil between the .270 and the .30-06 to matter, so tend to go with the .30 caliber out of habit. If I need something with significantly less recoil, well, the .257 Roberts is good enough for anything that doesn't want to chew on my blue jeans, if I can get the bullet into the right spot.

sureshot
October 3, 2010, 01:12 PM
The recoil doesnt bother me but I prefer something with a little less kick vie got an impeccable track record of 3 kills, no misses and one shot for each so Id like to keep it that way. I have killed 1 deer with a 30-06, 1 with a .303, and one with a 7mm rem mag. I have used all of them extensively but I'd Luke to be able to go to the gun range and put a box of shells thru a rifle without devoloping a flinch. Mind you I do shoot a BPS 12 gauge with 3" shell regularly

T.R.
October 3, 2010, 07:30 PM
One of my hunting buddies stocked up on FEDERAL LITE ammo couple years back. He swears by it for taking whitetails at typical woods distances. Best of all - the recoil is nearly absent!!

TR

smartshot
October 3, 2010, 08:32 PM
270 not adequate for moose or elk??? Ask any old timer from Colorado how many elk they've killed with a 243, 30-30 and 250 savage, then rethink what the 270 can do with modern deep penetrating bullets. I promise you, the 270 can take an elk at 400 yards. I say again, the 270 can take an elk at 400 yards. Use Barnes bullets, so you get the accuracy and penetration. For animals up close (within 200 yards), use a partition, a-frame or a cheap core-lokt, I say again a core-lokt, its a 270, and its got plenty of snot. A guide I know in Quebec shoots moose at 300 yards with his 25-06 and prefers that caliber over the 270 because of the flatter shooting capabilities, but he does use the barnes bullet 100%copper.

CSA 357
October 5, 2010, 08:20 PM
i thinkthe 270 and 280 are the best if you dont like recoil .277,.30,.284 the game will never know but i have killed many deer with the 7mm rem mag, and 4570 gov shot placement is what its all about

Kachok
October 6, 2010, 05:31 AM
270 is the near perfect deer caliber, and an acceptable elk caliber. The 30-06 is notably more versatile. 200 gr bullets give it adaquate sectional density to penatrate deep enough for even the largest anamals in North America. But the king of versitility is not the 270, 280, or the 30-06 but the old 6.5x55. With 85 gr bullets it matches the 243 for varmints/coyote. With 120 gr bullets it matches the 270 130gr for trajectory with better SD and BC. The 140 gr modern loads push 2800 fps and are great for nearly anything, and the 156-160 gr rounds actualy have a higher SD then the 200 gr 30 cal. These have been commonly used for everything from moose to elephant around the world. An aditional benifit is that it has much less recoil then any 270/30-06 it's recoil is in between the 243 and 7mm-08 which qualifies it as a non-event even to recoil shy shooters. I have owned alot of rifles in alot of different calibers, but if I was to have only one rife to hunt everything around the world there is absolutly no doubt what I would choose. Ask anyone that handloads the 6.5x55 in a modern rifle they will tell you. The 7x57 (Mauser) also gets top marks if you take varmint out of the picture. There is a reason both of these have been around almost 120 years. For those who care nothing for the extra recoil the 30-06 (with 180-220gr) matches or slightly exceeds the 6.5x55 for anthing larger then a white tail deer.

roklok
October 6, 2010, 07:23 AM
YES ! In August I shot a ram at 584 yards with my .270 with the Hornady 130 grain SST, less than a month later, loaned the rifle to a buddy who dropped a 63" Yukon moose with 150 grain Speer Grand Slam at 200 yards.

I have many rifles, and the .35 Whelen is my favorite cartridge, but the .270 has what it takes for the vast majority of hunting in North America.

CoRoMo
October 6, 2010, 10:06 AM
It's my first choice for everything I'll ever hunt. But I won't hunt anything bigger than say, Bison, maybe a Musk Ox, an Alaskan Brown Bear, or Yukon Moose, maybe Caribou or even Polar Bear. Just the not-so big game animals like that; nothing that is really out of the .270's capability.:)

But I read a story about a fella who gathered together all the money he possibly could, so that he could go off and hunt in Africa. He didn't have enough money, after buying in on the trip, for a good "African hunting rifle". So he took along his puny .270 Winchester. His guide was not excited about all of this and offered him a couple guns to borrow, but he didn't want to hunt Africa with a rifle he didn't know well. Let's see, if memory serves me, he took something like 19 shots while he was there. But he was only able to make 19 kills with that effort.

b_s_c1
October 7, 2010, 01:36 PM
To much thought is put into finding the perfect caliber. Just find one that you feel more comfortable shooting and go hunting. For the animals the OP listed I would say go with the 270 mainly due to the cost of ammo. I have always believed bigger is not always better and shot placement is key. Some one mentioned in an previous post about unloading a clip + on an animal only to have branches get in the way. Why was this person shotting when they clearly did not have a clean shot? People clam there is not enough energy in a 270. If the 465# boar that I shot at 375 yards could talk he would tell you different, but being that he died about 10 yards from where I shot him after the first shot you will have to take my word for it. I am a big fan of both the 270 and 7mm mag and would not be scared to take eather on a moose or elk hunt.

If you know you are not a steady shooter than a bigger caliber might be better suited for you. Atleast a bigger caliber would be more forgiving on placement. They do carry more energy and leave a bigger hole, so placement is still important there is room for error. If you do plan on going with a harder hitting, heaver recoil caliber don't let the recoil be the deciding factor. There is so many things you can do do that gun to reduce recoil. I installed a after market stock on a M77 300win mag for a friend that reduced the recoil to less than my 270. His 13 year old son was able to run 3 rounds through it. Have you shot a 338win mag? They pack a punch. Replace the stock, add a recoil pad and the gun is much easier to shot. If it still kicks to hard you can still do more.

Bottom line is that the best all around gun depends on the shooters style, accuracy, and likes. All the guns you listed will kill all the animals if placed right. Just get what you feel better shooting and what you are more accurate with.

It is just my opinion but shot placement beats caliber size any day of the week.

Zeke/PA
October 11, 2010, 02:31 PM
The .270 Winchester is a great cartridge BUT, shot placement IS the paramount thing in ANY hunting rifle/ cartridge combo.
The late,great Jack O'Conner touted the .270 and he actually called it "The Poor Man's Magnum" on occasion.
BUT, Jack was the supreme advocate of SHOT PLACEMENT.
My personal .270 is a Ruger # 1 , 200th year job that I use every year in the Deer woods.
I love the rifle, AND the cartridge.

wombat13
October 11, 2010, 04:31 PM
The recoil doesnt bother me but I prefer something with a little less kick vie got an impeccable track record of 3 kills, no misses and one shot for each so Id like to keep it that way. I have killed 1 deer with a 30-06, 1 with a .303, and one with a 7mm rem mag. I have used all of them extensively but I'd Luke to be able to go to the gun range and put a box of shells thru a rifle without devoloping a flinch. Mind you I do shoot a BPS 12 gauge with 3" shell regularly
I've got a Ruger Hawkeye in .300WM (I shoot 180 gr Fed Fusion - 180 gr bullet @ 2960 fps) and a Savage bolt-action slug gun (I shoot Winchester Platinum slugs - 400 gr. slug @ 1700 fps).

The slug gun kicks significantly more than the .300WM. I don't really like to shoot more than four rounds with the slug gun but I can shoot 30 rounds with the .300WM with no problem.

Is it because of a better stock design on the rifle? Maybe, but the point is that I doubt you'll have problems shooting a .300WM if you are used to shooting heavy loads out of a shotgun.

SAUMHUNTER79
October 11, 2010, 04:51 PM
The .270 will kill all the game you mentioned given you choose the right bullet for the task.

CHEVELLE427
October 11, 2010, 05:36 PM
I AS WELL AM FAR FROM AN EXPERT ON THE 270WIN:(

i traded a 3006 742 BDL DELUXE in on 270WIN A BOLT way back when,

the deer the 3006 killed were all dead and meat was all usable, sometimes the ones shot with the 270 we had to trash because,

THAT PART of the deer that was hit just EXPLODED.

i shot a deer once facing me at about 25 yards with a 3006 and we never found were the bullet went in till we dressed it,

was teased that it died of a heart attack till we found the bullet.:uhoh:
this was many years ago and was over the counter ammo, im sure the new stuff or reloads now days are way better then back when.:)

but if i were to go hunt bear im NOT TAKING MY 270:D IM going to make sure when i shot it it stays shot.:neener:

S&Wfan
October 11, 2010, 10:15 PM
We've got a lot of decent cartridges to take the game here in America with ease, and the .270 is one of 'em . . . and a fine one at that. I've got a real tackdriver for a .270 (a 1973-made Remington LH (early left-handed BDL type) so it is my prime rifle here in my part of the country.
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My back-up/loaner rifle is in 30.06 though, also an accurate Remington, and it plants every deer its ever shot with immediate authority.

RECOIL? Who really feels the recoil during a hunt?

PS: The deer hide under it? From a PIEBALD Whitetail buck . . . harvested with my favorite deer hunting gun . . . my trusty S&W 6" barreled .44 Magnum. Again . . . as with any gun . . . shot placement is everything . . . always.

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