i need some help please .
i found in the paper tonight a browning bar in 30-06 s/n 55241m77 which i have not been able to find out the age of the gun, but if i had to guess i would say late 60's or 70's ( if anyone can help on dating this gun that would be great)
The guy says he bought the rife used in 99' he said he has shot it only a few times, and hunted with it twice.
he want's $450 for it,(not sure what the gun is worth ) said bluing is 99% small scratch on forearm grip but that's all, Otherwise gun is in great shape.
What are your thoughts, is it a good deal ? is it a good gun? is there anything i need to look for that could pose as a potential problem when i go to look at the gun ?
thanks for you help .
p/s i also hand load and not sure if that helps with this rifle, i read some mixed reviews on gun not being that accurate with factory ammo .
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September 28, 2010, 07:31 AM
My dad has a BAR 30-06 that has killed dozens and dozens of deer. He never paid much attention to the rifle's accuracy. Its probably 2MOA with factory stuff, but that doesn't affect its usefulness. He won't even let me shoot it to see how accurate it really is. If he checks the zero, its usually a one shot deal at 50 yards. But man it has put a bunch of deer into his freezer. He bought it cheap from a buddy who cut his eyebrow on the scope back in 1972 or so.
September 28, 2010, 10:39 AM
The BAR seems to be an odd rifle.
Some, myself included, love them and have experienced decent accuracy with factory ammo and really great accuracy once the right load is found while others claim they shoot like the barrel is bent no matter what ammo they use.
My opinion is that $450 is a fair price for a nice example. They sell new for around $1000 with a list price of $1139.
There isn't a lot to go wrong with them, I'd check for the usual, cracks in the wood and overall cleanliness. I am not aware of any problem areas but maybe someone has more of an idea. I have put 400 or so rounds through mine mostly developing loads and have had no reliability issues.
September 28, 2010, 10:41 AM
I bought mine in 1969 new. Loved it.
September 28, 2010, 10:57 PM
The m77 indicates manufactured in 1977, but that number should not exist. Browning supposedly switched over to their new numbering system in 1977, I would guess that this must have been a very early 1977 production. It should also be marked made in Belgium Assembled in Portugal as this was when they started there.
They are very good hunting rifles, I have one in .270 and one in 30-06. If you are going to reload make sure you use small base dies so that it chambers and extracts well. Both of mine will shoot 1.25-2 moa depending on the factory ammo and how well I am pulling the trigger that day.
September 29, 2010, 12:07 AM
$450 is a good price. I'd buy it. If you don't like it, you'll be able to get your money back, assuming it's in as good a condition as advertised.
September 29, 2010, 12:15 AM
Buy it. Had 3 they all shot great. Got a 308 lightweight stalker now love it, but cant understand the lightweight name.
September 29, 2010, 09:08 AM
As stated, the price is very good so if you have a hankering for one, this would seem the time to get it.
I have a BARII in 270 with the BOSS system, and it's quite accurate. It also is insanely reliable, and cycles everything from my stoutest 150gr loads to my uberlight youth 115gr loads with equal success. I can usually get decent 1"-1.5" five-shot groups from the gun with most any load, and tuning the BOSS can get the group sizes down to solidly MOA.
It's a bit heavy (even with the relatively small 1.75x-6x VXIII optic), so I treat it more as a 'stand' gun and use other rifles as my 'walkabout' guns.
September 29, 2010, 10:38 AM
Ditto on browningguy's post. That serial number configuration is the older version, and it must be a very early 1977 model. I believe they started the "assembled in portugal" thing in 1973. I have a 1969 30-06, and get wondeful performance out of it. I normally shoot the Hornady factory 150gr SST load, and that setup has sent many a hog to the mudhole in the sky. I would jump all over it if I were you. If it doesn't blow your skirt up, you should surely be able to get your money back out of it.
September 29, 2010, 09:24 PM
Mine is later than that, but still a pre 93 model. Mine is not at all very accurate. 4-6 groups with most ammo and 2" groups once I finally found ammo it likes. However, it's a beautiful gun that handles well, and is super reliable. It's a great deer gun, just don't expect it to be a target rifle. I'd certainly pay $450 for one if it was in good shape.
September 30, 2010, 12:00 AM
As stated, the price is very good I have a co-worker who's only deer rifle is a BAR in 30/06. They are a fine rifle as semi-autos go. I own a Rem 7400 in .270 (I bought it on a whim a few years ago at the local Wal-Mart when they were closing out their guns) and it is not near the rifle the BAR is. It's good enough for fast shots at 150 yds or less up in the Cedars, but it's certainly no plains rifle. I'd jump on the one you mention.
An interesting fact that I discovered recently is that PA. doesn't allow deer to be taken with a semi-auto rifle. Semi Auto shotguns are ok, but no rifles. (makes no sense) I have a trip planned out that way for four days of deer hunting in Dec. I had planned to take the .270 till I stumbled across that tidbit in the reg's. We have no action bans in Texas except for full-auto. So, if you plan to do any out-of-state hunting, make sure your rifle is welcome.
September 30, 2010, 12:18 AM
Do you mean 7400 instead of 7600? The 7600 is a pump action rifle. The 7400 is a semi auto.
September 30, 2010, 08:07 AM
Do you mean 7400 instead of 7600? The 7600 is a pump action rifle. The 7400 is a semi auto Yes I do. I guess it was too close to bedtime. Thanks for pointing my typo out. It's a very enjoyable gun to shoot I've taken two deer and several hogs with it. It's very light recoiling when compared to my Daughters Remington 700 BDL in the same caliber. I have been looking at 760's and 7600's on Gunbroker in 30/06. There may be one of those in my future if this PA. trip becomes an annual event.
September 30, 2010, 08:10 AM
In 1971, I bought a new BAR, Grade 1. 30-06, SN 17944 M73. Foolishly, I sold it two years ago for 550.
September 30, 2010, 04:57 PM
I shot a BAR/carried while in the Corps... Fine weapon, little heavy:D
I have 7600 also, I like it real well...Fast and one I plan on using soon!!!
September 30, 2010, 05:18 PM
My dad has that exact same gun. He bought his in the mid 70's I think. It is an excellent gun; his was very accurate. It would hold roughly a 1-1/4" to 1-1/2" group at 200 yards (3 shot groups). He always used Federal Ammunition with it though. I've heard some don't hold that good of a group, but I know my dad's did. Smoothest semi-auto action I've ever handled. For $450 I would say go for it. Does it have any glass on it or does it just have the iron sites?
September 30, 2010, 05:48 PM
A friends father had a bar in 7 rem mag. He didnt use it very often, as he found the 7mm would shoot through our deer without poking big holes, but we did shoot it now and again at targets. It shot as well as my savage 110 in the same caliber using the same ammo.
October 1, 2010, 01:02 PM
thanks for all you guys who helped me make up my mind, i bought it and let me tell you it is in Great shape well worth the $450 i shelled out for it .
i can't wait to shoot it. Gun inside and out is 98 percent and a great looking gun to boot.
i am now trying to decide weather to mount a scope on it or not.:D
October 1, 2010, 03:53 PM
imho SCOPE IT:D
October 1, 2010, 04:05 PM
Yep, I'm always a fan of scoping it. Does your has the original iron sights? If so would you be interested in selling the rear sight? When I got mine the previous owner had removed the rear sight to mount a scope lower, and in turn I don't have a rear sight, so I just took the front one off too. However, I'd like to find a rear sight just to have.
October 2, 2010, 10:42 PM
I'm sure I'll get some gruff for this, but get the see through mounts. I guess I haven't looked to see where you're from yet, but in WI I need the open sights for about 50% of the deer hunting I do and a scope for the other 50%. Also, I have gotten 5 shot dime size groups out of an 80's and 2000's model BARs in 270 Win. Fantastic guns.
November 13, 2010, 04:48 PM
My uncle just gave me one of these thats not in the best shape. What would one of these be worth that's got some scratches and light pitting in the finish???