Uncle Mikes Combat Grips for n Frame??


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LubeckTech
September 28, 2010, 11:47 PM
Were Uncle Mike's combat grips ever made for the S&W N frame? I'd like to find a set for my 610 if they ever existed.

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Old Fuff
September 29, 2010, 10:44 AM
I'm not sure, but check out www.cdnnsports.com

I understand they bought out all of the remaining supply of Uncle Mikes' when they quit the business.

LubeckTech
September 29, 2010, 11:09 AM
From what I am finding UM didn't make their combat grips for the N frame.
I have Pachmyer grippers on my S&W 610 (N frame RB) presently and want to reduce the trigger weight to around 8lbs and use Winchester or Federal Primers to get reliable ignition. The problem is the hole for the grip screw is in just the wrong place and won't let this happen. I like neoprene grips and have some Uncle Mikes on a L frame RB now. I will look to see if it may be possible to modify a K/L Uncle Mike grip to fit a N frame RB. More than likely it can't be done and I will wind up putting my original Hogues back on until I find something I like.

Old Fuff
September 29, 2010, 11:48 AM
The only other option I can think of is Pachmayr.

If the stocks cover both the backstrap and butt, you can modify ones made for the square-butt N-frame by filling in the void at the the rear/bottom with rubber culk compound.

If the screw hole problem is caused because you are shortning the mainspring strain screw, don't do it. There are better answers.

What you really want is a 10-pound trigger pull that feels like 8 - or less.

TuckerNielson
September 29, 2010, 12:07 PM
I put a set of Hogue grips on my N frame 625JM (the wood grips it comes with are almost universally disliked). I've been very happy with them.

http://www.hoguestore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=22_37_92_93_252&products_id=1456

What don't you like about the Hogue grips that you have?

LubeckTech
September 29, 2010, 12:27 PM
I like the Pachmyrs I am using with it now and where the trigger is at the moment which is between 10lbs and 11 lbs gives me consistant ignition with CCI primers and I feel if it will light CCIs it will shoot anything. Basically the trigger is pretty close to where I want it now. I bought this 610 new about a year ago and I have noticed the older S&W revolvers I have tend to have much better triggers than the newer guns. I run my k and l frame guns at between 8lbs and 9lbs by purchasing a replacement strain screw (keep the original in a safe place) and file the replacement down until I get the trigger where it provides consistant ignition, feels good and can tighten the screw to a point where it is secure without being too tight. I have never tried anything else except to thouroghly clean and lubricate the interior. What would you suggest I start with to improve the trigger feel? The first thing which springs to mind is polish the surfaces inside the mechanisim which generate friction and possibly changing the trigger reset spring to a lighter one. Can shims be used to make the trigger and hammer move in a straighter line and remove any "wobble"?

LubeckTech
September 29, 2010, 12:32 PM
Tucker,

Hogues have came with most of the newer S&W revolvers I own and I prefer UM or Pachmyers. There is just something I don't like about the feel of them. I do have a Muchulek grip on my 617 - If you still have your JM wood grip would you like to sell it? I also have some Houges for warious revolvers if you would be interested in trading.

Old Fuff
September 29, 2010, 04:28 PM
Questions, so many questions... :D


I am using with it now and where the trigger is at the moment which is between 10lbs and 11 lbs gives me consistent ignition with CCI primers and I feel if it will light CCIs it will shoot anything.

Maybe, but if you get too light a hit (which you shouldn't at 10 to 11 pounds) a hang-fire may result, and if you are shooting a fast string in the double-action mode you may not be able to stop, and then fire the second round just as the first ones goes off. :eek: You really, really don't want too do that. :uhoh:

Basically the trigger is pretty close to where I want it now. I bought this 610 new about a year ago and I have noticed the older S&W revolvers I have tend to have much better triggers than the newer guns.

Yes, I've noticed that too... :D But doing what works on the older guns won't necessarily help those with MIM lockwork. This is not to say that they can't be made better, but rather that some of the methods which are successfully used aren't the same.

I run my k and l frame guns at between 8lbs and 9lbs by purchasing a replacement strain screw (keep the original in a safe place) and file the replacement down until I get the trigger where it provides consistent ignition, feels good and can tighten the screw to a point where it is secure without being too tight.

Not a good idea because you change the way the spring is curved or arced, and that curve is very important.

I have never tried anything else except to thouroghly clean and lubricate the interior.

Very good!! You are a lot smarter then some people I know. Never do anything unless you understand what you are doing, and all of the possible consequences.

What would you suggest I start with to improve the trigger feel? The first thing which springs to mind is polish the surfaces inside the mechanism which generate friction and possibly changing the trigger reset spring to a lighter one.

You're going to have to wait until I have time to send you (or post) a longer answer. But for the time being I STRONGLY suggest that you do neither. I have an unfortunately large collection of ruined parts that I obtained from people who didn't take my advice. The owners have another thing in common. They paid a stiff price to have their revolvers made right again.


Can shims be used to make the trigger and hammer move in a straighter line and remove any "wobble"?

Yes, but more explanation is required.

I hope that in the near future I can post a long and extensive thread that will go into much more detail on the right way trigger jobs are done, rather then the usual advise given over the Internet.

TuckerNielson
September 29, 2010, 11:43 PM
Old Fuff - I eagerly await that post.

Old Fuff
September 30, 2010, 11:09 AM
I hope others are interested too. My problem is time, as the post (or posts as the case may be) is going to have to be a long one. The most common recommendation is to "polish the lockwork and then replace the mainspring (and sometimes also the rebound slide spring) with lighter ones. Almost anyone can do this, but it's not a good way at all. Professionals who specialize in working on revolvers, particularly Smith & Wesson's (I call them "pro-smiths") don't often do it this way for a number of good reasons, but others are unlikely to do it the pro-way because it requires a substantial outlay of money to buy the specialized tools, jigs, fixtures and gauges that are required. Anyway it should prove to be interesting... :uhoh:

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