Little help with supressors


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Okiecruffler
December 14, 2003, 10:10 PM
At the gunshow this weekend I got to play with a Walther P22 that had a supressor. Didn't think much about it until today, but now I think I would like to have one for my Mitchell. Threaded barrel is easy enough to come by, but that's as far as I've gotten. I know there's some ATF paperwork involved, along with that nasty tax that cost more than the supressor itself. But how hard is it to push this thing thru? And who in the good old US still makes supressors?

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Harry Tuttle
December 14, 2003, 10:34 PM
www.serbu.com has a good FAQ on owning exotics:
http://www.serbu.com/nfainfo.htm

Gem-tech makes a nice suppressor
http://www.gem-tech.com/product.html

Quintin Likely
December 14, 2003, 11:23 PM
Owning NFA items goes a little something like this:

You need to fill out this thing called a "Application for Tax Paid Transfer and Registration of a Firearm," better known as a Form 4, that's gotta be signed by the chief law enforcement officer of your county, saying that you're of good moral character and won't use whatever you're buying to knock over the corner liquor store or anything else mischevious. If the CLEO won't sign, there's other folks who can, like the District Attorney or certain judges. If they won't, then you'll have to form a corporation that'll bypass all the other required stuff, like the two passport photos, fingerprints, and the FBI background check. Anyways, provided the CLEO signs, you stuff all the paperwork and a $200 check in an envelope, send it to the BATF, who then sends it to the FBI. If everything goes as planned, in 90-120 days your dealer gets a copy of the approved form 4 with a tax stamp on it and you go pick up whatever you wanted.

(paraphrased from AR15.com)

And there's a nice list of who makes suppressors somewhere in the archives of the Firearms Accessories forum.

-Quintin

Travis McGee
December 15, 2003, 03:59 AM
There are other ways to skip all that paperwork that we needn't get into here.

http://matthewbracken.web.aplus.net/snakelogo.jpg

Hawkman
December 15, 2003, 10:01 AM
Advanced Armament Corporation built the Pilot that you were looking at on the P22. They make very high quality suppressors.

Airboss
December 15, 2003, 10:15 AM
Try www.subguns.com Tom Bowers is a good guy and lot of links to Class three folks

Sunspot
December 15, 2003, 11:18 AM
And who in the good old US still makes supressors?


There are many US companies. See if you can get ahold of the Aug 2002 issue of Small Arms Review, Vol 5 #11. The whole issue is about supressors and contains a large index of supplyers. Heck, I found three within a one hour drive from my home.

Beren
December 15, 2003, 02:24 PM
I've read on a few sites that the ATF considers a suppressor to also be a flash hider, which means it counts as one of the "evil features" controlled by the AWB. Ergo, you can't fit a suppressor to a post-ban AR-15, since it already has a pistol grip and detachable magazine.

Is this true? If it is, it constitutes yet another reason to be happy when that silly law sunsets.

Zak Smith
December 15, 2003, 04:00 PM
I have a friend who's a Class III dealer. I've seen and fondled the Walther P22 + Suppressor package and it's pretty neat. I think he's got a deal: the pistol, suppressor, and threaded barrel bushing adapter for $550. Of course, there's the $200 tax for the suppressor on top of that.

-z

boofus
December 15, 2003, 04:14 PM
Yes, you still can't use NFA items to make a post-ban assault weapon even if the item is registered with the ATF.

So if you make a short-barrel rifle like a Krinkov AK and pay the $200 to register it with the ATF you still can't stick a suppressor or folding stock on it. (pretty dumb eh?) :cuss:

One nice thing about machineguns is you can do anything you want to em because all the transferable ones are pre-ban (1986).

Form 3 dealer/manufacturer-to-dealer transfers seem to be taking about 8 weeks. The Form 4 from my dealer to my corporation took another 8 weeks on top of that. Waiting sucks... :barf:

Hkmp5sd
December 15, 2003, 04:31 PM
A really nice suppressed handgun is a Ruger MkII with integral suppressor. Looks like a bull-barrel Ruger and sounds like an airgun.

I've read on a few sites that the ATF considers a suppressor to also be a flash hider,

Tis a fact.

A firearm silencer or muffler would also function as an effective flash suppressor; therefore, a semiautomatic rifle, such as an AR-15, having a silencer or muffler and a pistol grip would qualify as a semiautomatic assault weapon as that term is defined in section 921(a)(30)(B).

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter51.txt

Okiecruffler
December 15, 2003, 05:12 PM
As usual, great bunch of info. Looks like it would be almost as cheap to by a ruger with an internal suppressor as it would to fit my Mitchell with one. Figure I'll use my next bonus for it, but that isn't until June, so I have a while to decide which way I want to go.

Hawkman
December 15, 2003, 05:19 PM
Okie,

You are correct in re the Ruger/integral. However, I went for the P22/Pilot combo because now I can thread my .22 rifle and put the suppressor on it as well.

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