Jon Stewart clashes with the Brady Campaign!


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nwilliams
September 29, 2010, 06:03 PM
This was posted on the another forum and I thought it was worth posting here as well.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-minneapolis/jon-stewart-attacked-by-brady-campaign

But that’s not all. Last Tuesday, September 21, 2010, Jon Stewart was a guest on Oprah to promote his Rally to Restore Sanity. During the interview, the topic of school shootings arose and Stewart proceeded to proclaim that “Guns are not the problem … crazy is the problem” to thunderous applause from Oprah’s audience.


Speaking of which … Paul Helmke at the Brady Campaign (described tongue-in-cheek in a previous Daily Show Episode as a ‘Well funded hate group’) was quick to react to Stewart’s comments, chiding him for daring to disagree with the Brady’s plan to legislate the Second Amendment out of existence. In an Opposing Views column, Helmke repeatedly asked ‘Really Jon?’ as he trotted out his tired and failed arguments about why Americans should be stripped of their civil rights.

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ArmedBear
September 29, 2010, 06:06 PM
Hmmm...

I wonder if Mr. Stewart got himself a carry permit, and realizes he's glad he can get a gun because of all the crazies out there...

mbogo
September 29, 2010, 06:09 PM
He, like Dennis Miller, had an epiphany. They realized that a free society must bear certain costs in order to remain truly free.

mbogo

Rshooter
September 29, 2010, 07:04 PM
Oprah is pro gun??

DonP
September 29, 2010, 07:23 PM
No, The Oprah is for very expensive and well armed security teams covering her every move.

My daughter and I were on her show a couple of years back. We were checked out better than a visit to the White House. When she came into the Green Room to meet us before the show, a guy with a bulging left coat label preceded her, checked us out, checked out the bathroom, then stepped into the hall and let her in.

Deus Machina
September 29, 2010, 07:46 PM
Jon Stewart has eased up quite a bit on the gun issue in the last few years.

I'm going to think that maybe he thinks for himself enough to notice all the news of criminals committing crimes, but the utter lack of law-abiding people or unattended firearms doing the same.

Or he got himself a carry permit (which I'll put money on either way) and doesn't want to look like a hypocrite.

Bullnettles
September 29, 2010, 08:29 PM
He may be leftist, but I know quite a few people who believe we have the right to own guns. He seems reasonable enough, and I do watch his show from time to time. Go Jon, and don't give in to the Brady Bunch!

Erik M
September 29, 2010, 09:13 PM
Im glad there are moderate left leaning people in the country that support RKBA. This makes me rethink my opinion of Stewart. I cant stand to watch his show, its just not my kind of comedy.

Big_E
September 29, 2010, 09:35 PM
I was surprised to learn this as well. Sometimes I watch his show, mainly just waiting for Colbert to come on. I have noticed his show has been pointing out the faults in the leftist groups/individuals as well. He went on O'Reilly and even had O'Reilly on his show. I think he is now starting to develop in to a true "liberal" in that all the amendments in the Constitution are important and must be protected.

Anyway, good for him. I will watch his show with less disdain.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2010, 09:44 PM
I think he is now starting to develop in to a true "liberal" in that all the amendments in the Constitution are important and must be protected.


Agreed, the word "liberal" is thrown around like it is a dirty word. I wish folks would do a little more research and a little less parroting what they hear.

jimmyraythomason
September 29, 2010, 09:48 PM
"liberal" is thrown around like it is a dirty word Well,where I live it IS a dirty word and any politician hoping to be elected will go to great lengths to avoid being labeled as one.

Prion
September 29, 2010, 09:48 PM
I don't watch his show but I'm very happy see he is pro 2A. He appears intelligent and thoughtful so I'm not surprised he isn't another knee jerk liberal.

X-Rap
September 29, 2010, 10:09 PM
One simple comment from a guy who turns like a chameleon dependent on his ratings doesn't do much for me.
Dennis Miller has been walking the path since 9/11 and has spoken often enough to be believable.
Jon Stewart and his buddy that follows him are circus clowns looking for attention.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2010, 10:12 PM
Well,where I live it IS a dirty word and any politician hoping to be elected will go to great lengths to avoid being labeled as one.

Perhaps you should look at the definition for yourself, then see if you hold the same opinion. Folks on this board are always so quick to point out how the masses behave as sheep, only to turn around and follow their own flock in a different direction.

MikeNice
September 29, 2010, 10:35 PM
John Stewart is a supporter of Michael Bloomberg. He is either anti-gun or severly conflicted.

cbrgator
September 29, 2010, 10:38 PM
John Stewart is a supporter of Michael Bloomberg. He is either anti-gun or severly conflicted.
Well, RKBA may just not be high on his priority list, and could support Bloomberg for policies in other areas more important to him. While everyone here believes the RKBA is extremely important, Stewart may support the cause, just not as ardently as other political positions.

jimmyraythomason
September 29, 2010, 10:38 PM
Perhaps you should look at the definition for yourself, then see if you hold the same opinion Actually I have and I do.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2010, 10:39 PM
While Bloombergs view of firearms is downright offensive, the issue is not black and white, as few things in life are. There are other issues out there other than RKBA issues. It isn't necessary to align perfectly in opinion with a candidate you support. No one would ever get elected.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2010, 10:41 PM
Actually I have and I do.

Hmmm, because liberalism at its core respects the rights of individuals above all else. You may wish to re-check your sources and their credibility.

Interestingly, your part of the country has a reputation for racism and descrimination.

X-Rap
September 29, 2010, 10:45 PM
Interesting, because liberalism at its core respects the rights of individuals above all else. You may wish to re-check your sources and their credibility.

That definition worked 150 yrs ago.

jimmyraythomason
September 29, 2010, 10:47 PM
You may wish to re-check your sources and their credibility.
I have no need or desire to do that. I am confident in the definition I've known for over 40 years. I don't think it's changed even though attempts have been made to do so. BTW,I'm glad Jon Stewart is giving the brady Bunch a hard time but I still won't be watching his show anytime soon.

HGUNHNTR
September 29, 2010, 10:49 PM
It is the definition still today, just not as fox news portrays it.

I'm glad to see Stewart make these comments, maybe some closed minded conservatives will realize that this isn't as polarized as they would like to make it. People don't fit into neat tidy boxes that hold all of their values and beliefs. I can be Pro second amendment and a liberal.

have no need or desire to do that. I am confident in the definition I've known for over 40 years A PERFECT illustration of why the voting public remains ingrained in ignorance. If you are not willing to examine how you came to conclusiuons that shape your views, you can not experience personal growth.

BTW I don't care for his show either, but I watch from time to time just to hear a differing opinion and think about how I formed my own.

FourteenMiles
September 29, 2010, 10:57 PM
There is liberal (adj.) and a Liberal(n.). Two different things.

Ususally people who identify as a Liberal in this country and age do not have liberal views on gun ownership.

whalerman
September 29, 2010, 10:57 PM
So let's review our world according to Hgnhtr. We're stupid, we're racists, Fox News is bad, Alabama has a bad reputation, and we will never grow. How sad we are.

I haven't the status to draw such conclusions.

omegaflame
September 29, 2010, 11:00 PM
I think he said he had a gun (quietly) during that interview, I remember replaying it to make sure he I heard it correctly. Nothing about him carrying though.

Onmilo
September 29, 2010, 11:52 PM
Even dedicated liberals realize the gun issue is as tied to this countries history as standing up for what you believe in and most Americans support ALL the rights we have been granted by our citizenship.

The only right everybody wants to argue about is the one I have never seen in the Bill or Rights.
That being the right to live off the hard work of others and mooch what one can from a welfare state.

Big_E
September 30, 2010, 12:09 AM
I didn't mean to stir a conflict between HGUNHNTR and the Alabamites(?). The original term "liberal" was someone who valued freedoms above all else. The closest thing to an original liberal in today's terms would probably be considered a libertarian.

Now to get past the name calling, Stewart is still wishy-washy. I wouldn't completely trust him on the RKBA issue but as long as he tells the Brady's to shove it, then he is on okay terms for now.

joshk-k
September 30, 2010, 12:17 AM
I'm an unabashed liberal, a huge Jon Stewart fan, and a proud, uncompromising gun owner! Yee-haw!

I think that, while he's certainly on the left side of the fence, Jon does a fair job of pointing out idiocy, hypocricy, ineptness, etc. on all sides. If you say, "I don't/won't watch his show cause he's a liberal," then how, other than parroting O'reilly and co., would you know what his politics are? Don't knock it til you've tried it, as they say.

Steven Colbert, who's just as liberal as Stewart, although his character isn't, regularly features "Sweetness," his .357 revolver, on the show and includes many other references to guns. "Sweetness" whispers sweet nothings and offers advice into Colbert's ear.

Anyway, it's nice to hear him make such a statement in a forum other than his show, and especially in such a public one as Oprah.

Josh

Onward Allusion
September 30, 2010, 12:19 AM
Just because someone is left leaning doesn't automatically mean they are anti-gun. My wife is a prime example, she pretty far left but she is pro-RKBA, shoots, & carries. I'm right of center and do the same. One's politics have little to do with one's desire to keep themselves and their loved ones from harm.

FriedRice
September 30, 2010, 12:21 AM
The more I mix in the gun crowd the less I like labels. I hope Jon Stewart does carry. High profile celebrities sometimes have serious issues with stalkers. If all the active members in this forum right now went to a giant convention for....I dunno...widgets, I think we'd be surprised to see who we find there. RKBA is supported by many folks. Including liberals and Liberals, and maybe Jon Stewart, certainly me.

nwilliams
September 30, 2010, 12:33 AM
Just because someone is left leaning doesn't automatically mean they are anti-gun. My wife is a prime example, she pretty far left but she is pro-RKBA, shoots, & carries. I'm right of center and do the same. One's politics have little to do with one's desire to keep themselves and their loved ones from harm.
I agree with you completely. Most people who meet me would assume that I'm liberal and not a gun owner. I come from a mostly liberal minded family, most of my friends seem liberal to me and I attended a very liberal college. Funny enough I think I've known more liberal minded gun owners in my life than gun owners I would consider conservative.

However lets try to keep this thread from getting to hostile. In the past most threads that get into the whole "what is a liberal" argument end badly and get locked.

I love the Daily Show, I've been watching it for years and hardly ever miss an episode. I may not always agree with Stewart on his political viewpoints but I definitely think that he is more balanced and fair than most people (mostly from people who don't watch his show) give him credit for.

Stewart has never struck me as being outright anti-gun and he's never gone out of his way to try and damage gun rights for anyone. He may not be pro gun but all the times I've seen him address the issue of firearms he's always approached it in a balanced way, neither for or against.

One of my favorite segments from the Daily Show was the piece they did on open carriers. I thought that segment certainly made gun grabbers look bad and the open carriers look respectable, it was great.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...discrimination

I also think it's too bad that people don't give Stewart enough credit because he's a comic. However when you actually listen to him speak he has incredibly intelligent political views and usually stops most people dead in their tracks when they try to treat him like he doesn't know what he's talking about. If you don't believe me then just watch this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

BTW his recent interview with the King of Jordan was absolutely outstanding!

Ike R
September 30, 2010, 12:57 AM
I am a conservative gunowner/carrier....my best friend is a Liberal gunowner/carrier, we pretty much agree on everything important to our manlationship, like our guns, and hunting and outdoorsy stuff....

Theres nothing wrong with being a liberal or a conservative, theres just something wrong with being an idiot regardless of your political veiws (and seriously not referring to anyone in this thread, you have guns and want us all to have guns.....your just liberals, your not idiots!!)

Good Job Jon Stewart, I very much enjoy him on O'Reily, and occasionally catch his show. Remember, Jon's show is alot about Satire and sarcasm, he has said this a few times on the O Factor, and that leads me to think that maybe hes more conservative than many people might think, maybe more of a middle of the road kinda person.

Stevie-Ray
September 30, 2010, 01:12 AM
The closest thing to an original liberal in today's terms would probably be considered a libertarian.Not probably, that is it exactly. Anybody that loves freedom above all but doesn't ascribe to wasting the bulk of tax dollars on social programs had best not try to label themselves liberals today, because it simply doesn't fit. They are libertarians.

Birdmang
September 30, 2010, 01:14 AM
He seems to be very middle of the road; almost as if he is promoting a better America for everyone, and putting partisanship aside...which would be a great idea for everyone to do.

Also there is Liberal and liberal. I am liberal, in the freedom sense, but don't consider myself Liberal at all. Like bullet and cartridge, little details mean a lot.

Dimis
September 30, 2010, 01:22 AM
Jon does a fair job of pointing out idiocy
ding ding ding we have a winner

his job is to entertain he is a comedian not a politician nor is he a real news caster
the daily show (and counterpart cobert report) are a comical veiw of the real news
todays audiences respond best to sarcastic humor such as pointing out the hypocricy insanity and the obserdity of these occurences

whatever mr stewert believes is irrelivent he is paid to make fun of what is happening
but... now that he has stated this on his show and on oprah more followers of this pattern of thought will jump on the ship just to support him
is this right... probably not
does it get others on the pro gun boat... yes
if it had been ted nugent or god rest his soul charlton heston doing something silly or saying something illogical believe mr stewert would have poked fun at that too
its not that hes middle of the road its the fact that the show is pick on the loony toon of the week

HGUNHNTR
September 30, 2010, 03:29 PM
The problem with labels, conservative, liberal, redneck, city slicker is that identifying with a group without examining the source of your beliefs leads to a gang mentality. Just look at the striking similarities between gang mentality and action and political mentality. Labeling allows us to be lazy thinkers. I did not mean to hurt anyone's feelings, I just beleive it is important that we all occasionally examine the source of what we beleive.

mcdonl
September 30, 2010, 04:32 PM
I don't watch his show but I'm very happy see he is pro 2A.

That may be stretching it.

jimmyraythomason
September 30, 2010, 05:05 PM
The problem with labels, conservative, liberal, redneck, city slicker is that identifying with a group without examining the source of your beliefs leads to a gang mentalityI couldn't agree more,however, my ideals and principles were formed LONG before I ever heard of Rush Limbaugh,et al.and long before Fox News even BEFORE the internet was just a fleeting dream. I do not need to re-examine what I believe because it is at my core. It is who I AM not what someone says I should be. I watched Colbert today and even chuckled a little but I definitely won't be joining his fan club anytime soon. Same for Stewart.

HGUNHNTR
September 30, 2010, 06:05 PM
People grow/evolve/change whatever you want to call it as they age. Wisdom replaces arrogance (for some). It can't possible hurt to open mindedly analyze your ideals and beliefs from time to time, especially if they were established decades ago. Things change. I'm glad I'm not the same persom I was when I was in college.

Not all liberals are gun grabbing monsters, and the ones that wish to eliminate the second amendment may not be monsters either. This is a tough concept for people that like the world to exist without shades of gray.

Vonderek
September 30, 2010, 06:08 PM
It isn't necessary to align perfectly in opinion with a candidate you support.
Yes it is if you are a one issue voter. If a candidate does not support RKBA then he/she does not get my support regardless of our agreement on other issues.

Interestingly, your part of the country has a reputation for racism and descrimination.
This is an idiotic shot that smacks of the same mindset you seem to decry and is totally not germaine to the topic under discussion.

HGUNHNTR
September 30, 2010, 06:16 PM
^It was in context of a previous comment and meant tongue in cheek.

The southern US is not the most racist place I have lived, that would be France...Georgia comes in second.

Tom609
September 30, 2010, 11:55 PM
I wish I had become fully evolved 40 years ago. I'm one of the unfortunates that still hasn't figured it all out...and I'm coming up quick on 63. I don't buy much of what Fox News is hawking, but I watch it so I can try to get a feel for the other guy's point of view, and question my own. I think Jon Stewart has an uncanny ability to comically point out the absurdity of both political parties.

Carter
October 1, 2010, 12:00 AM
The southern US is not the most racist place I have lived, that would be France

Haha. Ironically I did a college paper that dealt heavily on that. I agree, although I have not lived there.


Glad John Stewart made that statement. I thought he would of been anti after one of his skits mocking Arizona's new carry policy. But I guess there are various degrees and just comical intentions.

merlinfire
October 1, 2010, 12:57 PM
Glad John Stewart made that statement. I thought he would of been anti after one of his skits mocking Arizona's new carry policy. But I guess there are various degrees and just comical intentions.

I was kind of surprised at how balanced that skit was, actually. They didn't make the guy they interviewed look crazy.

The black guy that actually runs those skits, lol, he was over the top. IIRC, he strapped a AR-15 to his back as his "OC". The one he did about the Mosque near ground zero was pretty funny too.

Dnaltrop
October 1, 2010, 01:22 PM
He may be a Comedian, but he's a more consistent fact checker than the real news, and he's even better now that he's attacking all sides equally. (the Election Honeymoon is Sooooooo over. )

Years ago, He was one of the people calling for the NRA to not hold it's convention immediately after the Columbine shootings.

Recently, he apologized for “connecting irresponsibly the actions of two psychotics to an entire group of reasonable people expressing their Constitutional rights." in regard to his prior position. Using Charton Heston's own response to the Uproar over the Denver Convention.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-august-19-2010/extremist-makeover---homeland-edition

Also, lately it's nice to see Olivia Munn somewhere other than "Attack Of The Show", years of enduring that Madhouse should give her an ironclad ability to stay in character. Unrelated but my .02

oldfool
October 2, 2010, 12:26 PM
The southern US is not the most racist place I have lived, that would be France...Georgia comes in second.

gracious southern gentlemen that I be, I hasten to point out that he was referring to the "Georgia" located somewhat northeast of France, the one where they all talk with that really odd accent, not the Georgia due east of Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas, where we all talk American

(or else he mistook Atlanta for Georgia.. yeah, it happens)

Stewart - Republican (as in republic), Democrat (as in democracy), liberal/libertarian (as in liberty)... (now who ever would'a thunk they would pick such warm fuzzy feeling labels for themselves)... what I wanna know is, is he a revolver guy or an autoloader guy ??

PS
at least Stewart openly admits to being a clown
shame we can't get Fox, MSNBC, and CNN to do the same

wheelgunslinger
October 2, 2010, 12:41 PM
Also, lately it's nice to see Olivia Munn ;) Oh my, yes.

daorhgih
October 2, 2010, 12:49 PM
Where th hel are you going with this: (abbr sic)
"Hmmm, because liberalism at its core respects the rights of individuals above all else. You may wish to re-check your sources and their credibility. Interestingly, your part of the country has a reputation for racism and descrimination." ????

And Please lurn to spel more betterer than ewe have bin.

Sam1911
October 2, 2010, 01:08 PM
Too much thread drift, too many folks offending others, and too many taking offense.

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