Reloading 7.62x54r


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THOR5624
September 29, 2010, 06:22 PM
Does anyone know the proper length of a 7.62x54r loaded round? Dont want to seat the bullet too shallow or too deep. Got some calipers on the way. Here they are great for measurments. Also, what dies should i purchase for the Lee Classic Cast single-stage press? Thanks.

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rcmodel
September 29, 2010, 06:30 PM
Does anyone know the proper length of a 7.62x54r loaded round?Yes I do!
The proper length depends entirely on what bullet you are using.

The reloading manual you ordered will have that info in it, and you hopefully won't be seating any bullets before you get the manual and read it.


I thought we just covered what dies you need in your other thread.
Any brand of full-length sizing 7.62x54R dies will do just fine.
You makes your choice and you pays your money.

rc

THOR5624
September 29, 2010, 06:35 PM
Thanks rc, for all your help. just got the bullets and my scales a few minutes ago:

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/history/1/orderId/1015001/productId/17645

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=438260

Kernel
September 29, 2010, 06:55 PM
Does anyone know the proper length of a 7.62x54r loaded round?

It's likely to be about 3.038", or something slightly less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x54

If you don’t like Wikipedia, there are other sites you can use to find cartridge dimensions. Wiki is just the easiest for the common ones.

Cosmoline
September 29, 2010, 09:28 PM
3" is typical, but your load manual will have the specific recommended max OAL.

THOR5624
September 29, 2010, 11:27 PM
Well, My powder should be here any day now. I got 2 lbs of:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productnumber=988534

THOR5624
September 29, 2010, 11:52 PM
OMG! All the bullets in the manual I got are .308. I thought most of you told me to load .311

Is the C.O.A.L. the measurments I should put in the caliper after the bullet is seated to check if its seated far enough? I am disappointed in this manual!!

NCsmitty
September 30, 2010, 12:31 AM
Only the Finnish Mosins were barreled to .308, all other Mosins, including yours, use .310-.312 bullets. Your .311 Sierra bullets that you ordered will be fine. Be aware that those bullets are target bullets, not hunting bullets.

You have got a lot to learn, so you need to start reading.



NCsmitty

THOR5624
September 30, 2010, 12:49 AM
The maunual here has all the loads for .308 not .311. how do i know what charge to put in now?

THOR5624
September 30, 2010, 12:52 AM
It barely shows what the COAL is! Says the max is 3.057. That the numbers to put in the caliper to see if the bullet is seated far enough?

THOR5624
September 30, 2010, 01:12 AM
This press is $50 cheaper than the single stage cast press and has a good manual to come with it:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=480380

Kernel
September 30, 2010, 02:12 AM
Thor, one old handloader rule-of-thumb is to load your bullets "one caliber" deep. Meaning you’d load your bullets so 0.311” of it is inside the case. So, measure your bullet’s OAL. Subtract 0.311” from that number. Add the remainder to the length of your cases. THAT’S your new COAL! Check to make sure you’re not jamming the bullet into the lands, the loaded cartridge will fit the magazine & cycle thru the action, and away you go.

rcmodel
September 30, 2010, 01:54 PM
The maunual here has all the loads for .308 not .311. how do i know what charge to put in now? You use the same load data for either bullet dia..
You start with the listed Starting load, and work your way up.
But I thought sure you were getting the Lyman #49 manual?
And it lists nothing but .311" and 312" jacketed Sierra & Hornady bullets.


It barely shows what the COAL is! Says the max is 3.057. That the numbers to put in the caliper to see if the bullet is seated far enough? It should show the SAAMI max length as 3.037", Not 3.057".

The actual seating depth for each bullet weight is shown with the data for each bullet weight.

That the numbers to put in the caliper to see if the bullet is seated far enough?
You don't "put the number in the caliper".
First, you zero the caliper with it fully closed.
Then, you measure the load, and read what the length is it tells you.

rc

woodsoup
September 30, 2010, 02:49 PM
Like I said on his other thread...

Sorry Fellas, but this guy scares the bejezzus out of me.

Someone in Texas needs to help him out before he hurts himself!!

Thor, you need to STOP trying to run and learn how to crawl first.

THOR5624
September 30, 2010, 03:46 PM
I just ordered the Lyman #49 manual. Hopefully it helps my stupidity. Just new to this. Plus i just ordered the correct dies for my caliber from Lee. Now I just need a good table and the press :)

Jeff H
September 30, 2010, 08:41 PM
Like I said on his other thread...

Sorry Fellas, but this guy scares the bejezzus out of me.

Someone in Texas needs to help him out before he hurts himself!!

Thor, you need to STOP trying to run and learn how to crawl first.
__________________


Were you never new at something with an insatiable thirst for knowledge about something you want to know something about?

At least he is comming here and asking the questions instead of winging it.

soloban
September 30, 2010, 09:41 PM
Be aware that the Lee dies have a .308 Expander in them. You need to order the expander for a .303 British die if you want to expand the case mouths to .311

Gadzooks Mike
September 30, 2010, 11:22 PM
Thor, I too am asking you to slow down a bit. Get the book, lean back in a comfy chair, and spend some time reading. Questions are good, but it almost seems as if you're asking for details but missing the bigger picture. Nobody wants anyone to get hurt, and with this hobby it's easy to do if you're not careful. Really careful. Everyone here will be glad to answer questions and lend assistance and they'll do it all day long for you and anyone who asks. But in return, they also want you to be safe. I'll feel better, and I think there are also others here who will feel better if you'll slow down a bit. Please?

THOR5624
October 1, 2010, 01:58 AM
lol i will do that.just things in my future in december may prevent me from doing the things i love. i am really interested in my rifle and shooting it. about to enroll in a gunsmithing training school from penn foster.

OYE
October 2, 2010, 12:05 AM
The Hornady manuals only use .308 bullets in the 7.62 X 54R. They do not mention any
other bullet diameter for that cartridge.

juniustaylor
October 2, 2010, 09:26 AM
My Hornady manual (7th Edition) does cover .310 or .311" bullets. You just have to really look at the bullet diameter when it lists the bullets to see them.

THOR5624
October 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Still waiting on my manual. Anyone know the starting load for sierra 174gr HPBT .311 with IMR4320 or IMR 4064? Loading for my 7.62x54r mosin nagant.

NCsmitty
October 2, 2010, 11:59 PM
Here's the Hodgdon page for contacting them. Give them a call and they will give you the correct information on IMR4320 loads for your rifle.

http://www.hodgdon.com/contactus.html



NCsmitty

juniustaylor
October 3, 2010, 02:23 AM
Hornday 7th Edition says:
174gr BT-FMJ (.312") COL 2.855"
IMR4064
Start 37.2gr (2200 fps)
MAX 45.7gr (2600 fps)

Also, you might experiment with load data for the 7.65x53 (Argentine/Belgian Mauser)
Hornady 7th Edition:
174gr BT-FMJ (.312") COL 2.870"
IMR4064
Start 36gr (2200fps)
MAX 43.8gr (2600 fps)

IMR4320
Start 38.6gr (2300fps)
MAX 44.6gr (2600fps)
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Lyman 49th
174gr Jacketed RN (.312") COL 2.820"
IMR4064
Start 39.5 (2250fps)
MAX 43.8 (2510fps)

IMR4320
Start 40gr (2314fps)
MAX 44.5gr (2573fps)

THOR5624
October 4, 2010, 08:40 AM
Anyone know where to get a cheap reloading table (bench) for a beginner? Just something to start with. Enough room for my press and powders and shells.

juniustaylor
October 4, 2010, 12:55 PM
Try looking at any of the little thrift stores. I bought mine at one of them. Goodwill and Salvation Army are just two of the major ones. Check your phonebook for listings of the other small ones also. I bought my desk for $20 and spent another $20 on one of those tall book shelves from Wallyworld to organize my reloading stuff. Later on down the road if I get something better, I've still got a nice desk and a shelf for something else.

My press stays on the desk. It is bolted to a piece of wood which is then C-clamped to the desk so it is removeable if I want it out of my way to work on leather projects. My powder measure is C-clamped also. I can remove everything if I want and set it on a shelf or just move it out of the way and clamp it back down to the desk.

THOR5624
October 5, 2010, 10:29 PM
I just built mine for $45. Not bad for having 4 4x4 legs and a 1in plate wood top. Seems to hold all my supplies and press with plenty of room to spare. Just waiting on my 303 neck sizer ball and I can get started. I started to read the Lyman book I got today. Good read so far.

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