9mm Revolvers - Opinions


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CTGunner
September 29, 2010, 11:59 PM
What are your opinions on the 9mm round out of a 2" revolver for self defense? I am intrigued by the Taurus 905...at $330 new it seems like a good deal and relatively inexpensive to shoot. Are there any other 9mm revolvers out there that are a better gun/better value?

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springfield30-06
September 30, 2010, 12:06 AM
What are your reasons for getting a 9mm revolver? Do you already have 9mm guns and want to stay with the same caliber, less expensive round, etc? I don't think that you will be able to find many revolvers in this caliber that are currently being produced.

mesinge2
September 30, 2010, 12:25 AM
Good info on 9mm Revolver

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=509450

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=482069

Onward Allusion
September 30, 2010, 12:33 AM
It is a novelty as far as I'm concerned. I had the S&W 547 and except for the range and target, it didn't make sense. For range/target, it is cheap to feed and is a lot more fun than a 22LR but if you're going to use a 9mm for SD/HD then it should be in a semi-auto.

Semi-auto 9's saves the shooter from fumbling with moon-clips, extracting a single round at a time, or even with the 547 - slap a whole cylinder free of its cases. The 547's special cylinder is fragile and will wear out a lot quicker than standard cylinders because all that is holding the cartridge is the little spring loaded nub that expands when the cylinder extractor pin is engaged.

If you were to get a revolver in 9mm, I would recommend the Ruger Blackhawk in 357 with a 9mm cylinder. The Taurus 905 is fun too, but it only comes in 2" - not too much fun at the range IMO.


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9mm Revolvers - Opinions
What are your opinions on the 9mm round out of a 2" revolver for self defense? I am intrigued by the Taurus 905...at $330 new it seems like a good deal and relatively inexpensive to shoot. Are there any other 9mm revolvers out there that are a better gun/better value?

mesinge2
September 30, 2010, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Onward Allusion
The Taurus 905 is fun too, but it only comes in 2" - not too much fun at the range IMO.

I know I have had the 2" model and I would have prefered a 4" model; heck, I would have even bought a 3" model.

Lucky Derby
September 30, 2010, 03:04 AM
I so want a 547.
In any case, most 9mm revolvers (except the 547 and the Blackhawk, may be others I am not aware of) require the use of moonclips for proper extraction if not also for firing. But I believe most will headspace on the case mouth as most .45acp revolvers do.
Moonclips are great for carry and competition as they are both faster to use and more compact than speedloaders. They can be a pain at the range.
For most purposes I would choose a .38 special revolver over a 9mm revolvers as it just works with the platform better. No need for moonclips or strange extraction systems (547). When I started shooting a 9mm revolver made no sense to me. Of course at the time, .38 ammo was less expensive than 9mm ammo. Times have changed and it would be nice to shoot my prefered platform in the lowest cost ceterfire available.

G27RR
September 30, 2010, 09:05 AM
I have the Taurus. Before switched to carrying 1911s, the thought was that it would be a same caliber BUG for my Kahr CW9. It shoots pretty well, but the trigger on mine is a bit heavy and has a gritty feel to it. It is not finished as well as a Ruger or Smith. However, for the price it isn't terrible. I'd say felt recoil was a bit higher than .38 in a similarly sized gun.

As others have said, it's not a lot of fun at the range unless you load up a whole bunch of moon clips ahead of time. I don't regret buying it, but if it were going to be my only revolver I'd look elsewhere.

doc2rn
September 30, 2010, 11:35 AM
The SP 101 had one up until a couple of years ago.

sw282
September 30, 2010, 01:53 PM
l dislike the bulkiness of hi cap autos. l am a fan of the 9mm ctg. A small 5 shot 9mm revolver is a natural marriage. Cheap 9mm more than makes up for the slight reload inconvenience. Revolvers ALWAYS work. You cant say that for a bottom feeder

WC145
September 30, 2010, 06:10 PM
It is a novelty as far as I'm concerned. I had the S&W 547 and except for the range and target, it didn't make sense. For range/target, it is cheap to feed and is a lot more fun than a 22LR but if you're going to use a 9mm for SD/HD then it should be in a semi-auto.

Semi-auto 9's saves the shooter from fumbling with moon-clips

The cartridge doesn't know what it's being fired out of and a 9mm is fine for SD/HD out of a revolver just like out of an auto.
And what's the difference between fumbling with moonclips or mags? Same principle and the short pointy 9mm rounds pop right in plus fully eject with a single stroke. Very fast and easy to use. (except for Taurus "Stellar" clips, they suck)

weregunner
September 30, 2010, 06:34 PM
There are good reasons for having a 9x19 snub revolver. The data provided shows why.
This is on the Taurus 905.

Chronograph data and the clips are addressed in here.
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=31129.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=39577.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=39441.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=33865.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=10217.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=10223.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=7884.0

Turn Key
September 30, 2010, 06:42 PM
If you must buy this revolver, make it your BUG ( Back Up Gun ) and buy a good pocket holster to carry it in, DeSantis makes the best pocket holsters. Or buy a really good revolver like the Ruger LCR in either .38+P or their new LRC in .357 magnum.

Buy once - Cry once.

Keep your primary a Glock with extra mags for self defense.

TK

roaddog28
September 30, 2010, 08:43 PM
I own a Blackhawk 357/9mm 4 5/8 barrel revolver and love the revolver. I can shoot three different types of ammo and the revolver is very accurate . Its not the best for carry or self defense but it is a great revolver and I recommend it. If you want a smaller revolver that shoots 9 mm luger, Ruger made Security Sixes in the 2 3/4 inch barrels for awhile and you can find them on the market. They are higher price than a Taurus but in my opinion they are a better revolver.

I do think in 9 mm you are better off to go to a semi-auto. Lots of good choices.

Good luck,
Howard

CTGunner
September 30, 2010, 09:21 PM
Hey Guys - Thanks for all the comments. Yeah, I'm not too anxious to get a 9mm revolver, more curious than anything. I currently have a 642 that I carry when I don't want to carry my Glock. I really like revolvers though and I'm hoping to find a carry revolver with a little more juice than the 642.

tekarra
September 30, 2010, 09:26 PM
While I have not done any ballistic testing myself, I have read that the velocity of 9mm from a 2" barrel is greater than that of a .38 spl. I can vouch that the recoil from a S&W 940 is snappier than that of a 640.

With regard to the S&W 547, the cartridge headspaces on the case mouth. The extractor is only for extracting the case. I have not noticed any appreciable wear in cylinders of my 547s and two of them, being ex-service revolvers, have fired a lot of rounds.

A 9mm revolver may not make a lot of sense when there are a lot of good 38s and 357s available, but they are fun to shoot.

MikePGS
September 30, 2010, 10:53 PM
I checked out a couple of links from this thread and it brought up an interesting point. Could you just get a new cylinder for 9mm and put it into a 357/.38 J-Frame? I thought I read before that the Ruger Blackhawk .357/9mm convertible had poor accuracy with the 9mm. Would that be the same case if you were (provided it's possible) to simply put a say 940 frame on a 442?

harley 1986
November 9, 2010, 11:39 PM
I truly "enjoy" wheel guns for shooting. the smoke and fire.. Maybe my age..
My Smith 38 snubby airweight is a great for carry but hate to cycle a lot of rounds at the range. The Smith M66 is heavy and a great shooter. An assortment of semi autos for CCw.. Yet I had a Taurus 905 follow me home from a local pawn shop today. Why? just because! I TOLD THE WIFE it was for her :).. She likes it so far as feel -we will take it to the range and enjoy the 9mm cheaper rounds and use the expensive SD rounds for the important things in life... You just cant have enought guns and ammo - CAN YOU!!

Zundfolge
November 10, 2010, 12:00 AM
If you already own a 9mm or two (or seven) a 9mm revolver is a great thing.

If you don't, you might as well stick with a .38 or .357.

RUT
November 10, 2010, 12:07 AM
>>Yeah, I'm not too anxious to get a 9mm revolver<<

Then don't waste your money... they're no big whoop. (and yes, I have had one before) ;)

billybob44
November 10, 2010, 12:27 AM
l dislike the bulkiness of hi cap autos. l am a fan of the 9mm ctg. A small 5 shot 9mm revolver is a natural marriage. Cheap 9mm more than makes up for the slight reload inconvenience. Revolvers ALWAYS work. You cant say that for a bottom feeder
^^^This is said by a person who has never had a primer back out, cyl. gap/ forcing cone problem, or an ejector rod come un-screwed.
Yes, revolvers are usually trouble free, but they have been known to also give problems..

clang
November 10, 2010, 01:42 AM
I've got a 4" 547 and a 2 3/4" Ruger service six in 9mm. Both are pretty sweet shooters.

I also used to have a Blackhawk wiht 9 mm cyl - another good shooter.

easyg
November 10, 2010, 08:34 AM
I like the Taurus 905.
It's a great gun that shoots a great caliber.
What more can you ask for?


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM5676.jpg


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/HPIM5678.jpg

bikerdoc
November 10, 2010, 09:07 AM
Nobody likes 9mm more than I do so I thought a 9mm would be an ideal addition to the collection.

Borrowed one. As the man before me said "no big whoop."
Just didnt feel it.
Gonna stick to 38/357 wheelguns and 9mm auto and carbines

bdb benzino
November 10, 2010, 02:25 PM
I love my 905, it has a nice trigger and awesome lockup. It kicks a bit, but when I tested +p 124gr Gold Dots on melons I was real impresssed. Great for back up to a small 9mm auto like my CW 9.

mesinge2
November 10, 2010, 08:04 PM
Love my 905. The only thing is that I would like a 4" version and Taurus does not make one. I called and asked if they would make one custom with a 4" barrel and they refused. Here it is next to my S&W 36:

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thunder173
November 10, 2010, 08:35 PM
Found a Taurus 905 about a year or so back,...it followed me home. Wife liked the feel of it. Finish was acceptable,..trigger was actually quite decent. Locked up tight. Took it to the range,..was a bit "snappier" than my Model 36 S&W in .38 special,..but not so harsh as to be intolerable. Good shooter actually. All in all,..I'd say it's a keeper to CC and serve as a backup to other 9's if need be. Wife claimed as her 9mm and it works well for her. I too have a Ruger Blackhawk in .357/9mm convertable. Mine shoots 9mm as well as I can hold them, so I can't complain,..though the .357s speak with more authority for sure. :-)

Ymmv

Brian Williams
November 10, 2010, 10:48 PM
Yes I like 9mm revolvers, particularly the 9x32R. I have a S&W 38 special 642 that I have that is converted to 9mm and it is great.

bdb benzino
November 10, 2010, 11:06 PM
I have a S&W 38 special 642 that I have that is converted to 9mm and it is great.

How does the Airweight frame hold up to the extra pressure from the 9mm?
I have heard of people doing this, and may have to try it myself some day.

easyg
November 11, 2010, 08:38 AM
bdb benzino:
I love my 905, it has a nice trigger and awesome lockup. It kicks a bit, but when I tested +p 124gr Gold Dots on melons I was real impresssed. Great for back up to a small 9mm auto like my CW 9.
Be careful my friend....the 905 is NOT designed for +P ammo.

Brian Williams
November 11, 2010, 10:54 AM
I am very sparing with use of full 9mm loads, I shoot maybe 5 to 10 shots a quarter with full loads, I use downloaded handloads for practice and shoot full loads to check my poa=poi

dashootist
November 11, 2010, 11:19 AM
I'd bet that a lot more civilians have been shot because of jamming an auto than running out of ammo on a revolver. Example: 50 Cent.

bdb benzino
November 11, 2010, 03:01 PM
The 905 is built the same as the 605 357mag. I dont normally use+p, but wanted to try my carry ammo, and I doubt that +p 9mm is any worse than 357mag loads.

easyg
November 11, 2010, 11:05 PM
I'd bet that a lot more civilians have been shot because of jamming an auto than running out of ammo on a revolver. Example: 50 Cent.
If we're just talking about handguns....

And if we're talking about all the handgun shootings from the invention of the very first revolver till today....

I seriously doubt it.

Karate
November 11, 2010, 11:14 PM
I have a 905 and love it..it keeps me from having to buy 38s really nice gun

ironhead7544
November 12, 2010, 03:57 PM
I like the idea of a small revolver that gets a power boost over the 38 Special. I also have a lot of ammo/reloading stuff for the 9mm. Im considering the 905. Is the cylinder a little shorter than the 39 Special version?

WC145
November 12, 2010, 06:26 PM
I like the idea of a small revolver that gets a power boost over the 38 Special. I also have a lot of ammo/reloading stuff for the 9mm. Im considering the 905. Is the cylinder a little shorter than the 38 Special version?

Look for the 905IB - Instant Backup, they don't make them anymore. It has a shorter cylinder and frame.

KyJim
November 12, 2010, 09:16 PM
I have a SW 547 but I hate carrying it because there aren't that many out there. I'm not concerned about speed reloads because I rarely carry a reload when I carry a revolver. If I want more than 5-6 shots, I carry a semi-auto and extra mag.

Anyway, has anybody thought of converting a SW .357 magnum to 9mm? There shouldn't be any concern about the pressure of the 9mm, even in +P. With the 9mm, you get good performance but with less flash than the .357. Ammo is cheaper, too.

oldfool
November 13, 2010, 10:44 AM
I like the idea of a small revolver that gets a power boost over the 38 Special. I also have a lot of ammo/reloading stuff for the 9mm. Im considering the 905. Is the cylinder a little shorter than the 39 Special version?
well, that's why they make 38+P and 357 mag, you know
no shortage of small frame revolvers that handle both well

but.. is there anybody who has not been tempted by the 9mm revolver ?
I know I have... but only (like many others, I would guess) because retail 9mm has been lowest cost ammo option ever since US military went to it

other than that, it obviously has not had any real staying power in the marketplace
because you can do same or better w/ 38+P or 357.. because the 38/357 simply is more versatile... because (short of downloading) 9mm pressure is a bit harsher on the gear than 38/38+p, etc.

still... the temptation never completely fades away... "just because" always was reason enough

WC145
November 13, 2010, 04:37 PM
Anyway, has anybody thought of converting a SW .357 magnum to 9mm? There shouldn't be any concern about the pressure of the 9mm, even in +P. With the 9mm, you get good performance but with less flash than the .357. Ammo is cheaper, too.

I have a S&W 360J that started life as a .38spl. I had it rechambered to 9mm and had some other work done on it. It's a great little carry gun - lightweight (13oz), quick to reload thank to the moonclips, and more oomph than a .38spl without the recoil and muzzle blast of a .357mag.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/__3_AZOV0zhc/Sa1aoiSuLTI/AAAAAAAAAYo/pDJSbBroy8g/s800/SDC10436.JPG

mesinge2
November 13, 2010, 04:48 PM
WC145, I just looked up the SAAMI Pressure Specs and a 38SPL+P is 18,500 PSI and a standard 9mm is 35,000 PSI and a 9mm +P is 38,500 PSI, and I have a few questions if you don't mind.

Has your weapon held up well?

Is there more end shake/flame cutting/etc then there was before the conversion?

And, approxiamately how many rounds have you fired?

WC145
November 13, 2010, 05:13 PM
The gun has held up quite well though it's my BUG and occasional off duty gun so it gets carried more than shot. I've probably put 400-500 rounds through it in the two years since the work was done, mostly standard 9mm, but also some of my +P+ duty load (this is what I carry in it), some .38 super, and a handful of 9x23 Winchester (the chambers are actually cut to 9x23).

I'm not too worried about the gun holding up, the scandium alloy frame is at least as strong as steel and the 360J uses the same frame as the .357mag 360, also remember that S&W has produced not only a 9mm J-frame, but also a 356TSW J-frame. Those guns were regular stainless steel, no special metallurgy to handle the increased pressures and the 356TSW produces pressures around 9x23 levels.

I haven't noticed any loosening up or flame cutting, of course the scandium framed guns have a little guard to prevent flame cutting so no surprise that it hasn't been an issue.

mesinge2
November 13, 2010, 05:18 PM
Thanks, WC145. I have 3 Security Six revolvers and I have been toying with the idea of converting one to 9x23 Winchester. If a scandium frame smith J-frame can digest 9x23 I am not worried at all with my Security six.

Thanks again!

oldfool
November 13, 2010, 05:32 PM
some website sez, SAMMI cup, psi
sort of makes you wonder if even a wussy 25acp would move pretty zippy out of a 5" or 6" revolver barrel, or mebbe a break open derringer...

and if 380acp might even earn some respect if could shoot 'em out of those 9mm revolvers.. anybody ever done that ?

I woulda' thunk 9mm out of a 13oz gun would be more than just a tad snappy
(pretty little thing that S&W 360)

25 ACP 25,000
380 ACP 21,500
9mm Luger 35,000
9mm Luger +P 38,500
32 S&W Long 15,000
32 H&R Mag 21,000
38 Auto 26,500
38 S&W 14,500
38 Special 17,000
38 Special +P 20,000
38 Super +P 36,500
357 Magnum 35,000

mesinge2
November 13, 2010, 06:00 PM
oldfool, Based on the above data a 9mm Luger+P's PSI is even greater than a 357 Magnum's. I wish I could find PSI data on 9x23 Winchester. I only found CUP data that states that it at 45,000 CUP. However, I understand that the CUP measure cannot be compared to PSI due to the differing scale and I have found no proven valid way to convert CUP to PSI.

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