conceal carry. why should i get a permit?


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hartmen
September 30, 2010, 07:56 PM
what are some good reasons to have one? me and my buddy was talking at work about it because i dont have one yet and was planning on getting one. but since ive talked to him im not sure i really need one.

conceal carry makes it legal for my to carry a concealed weapon. not just a gun. but i can carry without one as long as its visable? atleast according to him. im in kentucky if it matters.

we discussed places i couldnt take the gun and places i could and such.

is it worth all the trouble to take a whole day and test just for a permit?

im really :banghead: on this one guys.

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jay gatz
September 30, 2010, 08:09 PM
I don't know all the specific rules for your state but the biggest reason in my eyes to get a concealed carry license is to avoid having to worry about the 1000 foot perimeter around school property that you cannot have a gun unless licensed.

hartmen
September 30, 2010, 08:11 PM
huh....never thought about that. i live less than a block away from a school. lol i shoot in the backyard all the time ahhahah

Carter
September 30, 2010, 08:18 PM
i live less than a block away from a school. lol i shoot in the backyard all the time ahhahah

I'd suggest you not do that...

wvshooter
September 30, 2010, 08:22 PM
Get your permit and don't look back. The advantages of concealed carry over open carry are too numerous to list.

The Sarge
September 30, 2010, 08:31 PM
I see the School Zone issue has been raised already....
Here in Texas a CHL does not have to go through the NICS background check to buy a gun. Check your state.
I think the biggest advantage I have personally realized is one I never thought about....
Stopped for speeding (guilty as I could be)...when I presented my drivers license and CHL....LEO smiled and said "have a nice day"......

If you are going to conceal carry get your permit. You will enjoy the class (God forbid you may even learn something)....and carry without any thought of being in a situation without a permit.......being without a permit and being involved in a deadly defensive situation will put you in a bad light all the way around IMHO.

Wheelgunner56
September 30, 2010, 09:05 PM
If you ever carry a firearm outside the home or a "weapon" as defined by your state laws, a permit is cheap insurance against getting arrested for running afoul of the law. Since there are so many laws that govern the carrying of weapons and firearms and often some are very vague , I say invest the time and money in the permit.

oldbanjo
September 30, 2010, 09:28 PM
In some states having a fishing or hunting license will keep you from loosing your gun. A CWP protects me and my pistols, I also keep a hunting/fishing license to protect me and my long guns. In this state SC there is no rule on how you can carry a gun (pistol or long gun) to and from hunting or fishing. I have carried a pistol in a shoulder holster for 30yrs without a CWP. Also I carry a collapsible rod and reel in my saddle bags on my Motorcycle so I can carry my Mossberg 500 legally.

Shytheed Dumas
September 30, 2010, 10:08 PM
Get it and carry your gun for the same reason you put a seatbelt on in the car. You put it on without thinking about it, because you never expect to need it. But when you need it...

jonmerritt
September 30, 2010, 10:40 PM
Everyone has there own reasons for carry. You have to carry for you, not what others think. If you have doubts, don't. If you do, get training. If you already have experiance and training, carry with pride and humility. And pray to god you never have to take anothers life, it can be a traumatic experiance.

blackops
September 30, 2010, 10:42 PM
It's better to have one and not need it, than need it and not have one.

the foot
September 30, 2010, 11:04 PM
If you are considering ever carrying a weapon for self defense, go ahead and acquire your state's license.

If you don't qualify for a weapons license, i.e. if you're a felon, you still need to be able to defend yourself in case of attack by criminals. In your case, figure out the best method for your situation and defend yourself.

Bottom line, we all need to be able to defend ourselves today. It's a problem we face, there is always the chance of being attacked by criminals. Having a weapons license is the way I see we can keep on defending ourselves and stay "legal".

rdb
September 30, 2010, 11:19 PM
I use the Second Amendment as my permit. So far so good.

JoeSlomo
September 30, 2010, 11:28 PM
Everyone has there own reasons for carry. You have to carry for you, not what others think. If you have doubts, don't. If you do, get training. If you already have experiance and training, carry with pride and humility. And pray to god you never have to take anothers life, it can be a traumatic experiance.

I'm with this guy... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I did the CHL deal so I won't get thrown in jail for carrying a tool that can offset any disadvantages I may face should I ever need to defend my life, or those that I love.

psyopspec
September 30, 2010, 11:38 PM
One of the perks to be gained is that in Denver county, you can get yourself added to a list of "flagged" persons (to include felons) if you successfully get a permit. Not a list I want to be on.

NavyLCDR
September 30, 2010, 11:48 PM
The advantages of concealed carry over open carry are too numerous to list.

Ahhh yes... such as the element of :what: SURPRISE! The element of surprise works something like this:

If you are attacked by a criminal (because you happen to look like every other prospective unarmed target out there), you might be able to surprise the criminal during the attack by fishing your gun out from concealment and shooting them with it. If you have practiced and have good aim, you will have saved the taxpayers a LOT of money (another benefit to concealed carry) because you will have "put away" (permanently) the criminal right there on the street and saved the cost of a trial and incarceration.

BTW, the advantages of open carry over concealed carry are also too numerous to list. If you are going to carry a gun, read the endless threads of OC v. CC on here and the other gun forums and decide which way is best for you. It is not nearly as important how you carry the gun (within the bounds of law, obviously) as it is that you actually carry it and are prepared to use it, should the need arise.

Your friend was right, BTW, open carry is legal in KY without a permit, HOWEVER, the 1000' Federal school zone law will apply if you don't have the permit. If you choose to get the permit, you can still open carry if you want AND be exempt from the Federal school zone law (in the state the permit is issued from).

http://www.opencarry.org/ky.html

I would rather carry a gun for a lifetime and never need it, then to not carry it one day and need it that day.

ZeroJunk
October 1, 2010, 12:03 AM
I don't carry very often, the area I live in is just not particularly hazardous IMO. Matter of fact, I don't carry any more now than I did before I got a permit.
But, I seem to always be buying guns and it is convenient not to have to go through the background check. And, if I have a pistol in the truck going scouting, putting a stand up, or whatever, I don't have to worry about visble from three angles or any of that stuff. And, if I take a notion to stick one in my pocket I can worry only about some potential hazard and not the legal hassle without a permit.

mcdonl
October 1, 2010, 07:34 AM
I use the Second Amendment as my permit. So far so good.

Bet that would hold up in court.... :)

I would get the permit because it helps the cause to have the numbers, and if they someday change things perhaps current permit holders would be grandfather'd if laws changed some....

And, it is just a good thing to have... transport guns without needing to unload/disable them, etc...

hartmen
October 1, 2010, 07:58 AM
right now im like a sponge. give me all the insight you can.

Franco2shoot
October 1, 2010, 08:10 AM
I have labored over the decision for years... The one big stumbling block that keeps me out of the CC acquisition process is that it lets the government know my name. I'm not sure they do not already have this information even though the Virginia Insta-check is supposed to trash or dispose of the data within 90 days. A year or so ago down near Norfolk, a newspaper printed the names of folks that had CC licenses. Honestly, I'm not going anywhere that is such a tenuous area that I feel threatend enough to have to carry. Virginia's Open carry policy is good enough for me.


KKKKFL

Sam1911
October 1, 2010, 08:10 AM
I use the Second Amendment as my permit. So far so good.


Ahhh, for the want of a few bux for a permit and a little time spent on a class (if that's even required) we'd risk a felony conviction, time in jail, loss of livelihood/home/marriage, loss of our legal right to own firearms ever again -- simply because the wind blew our jacket open at an inopportune moment, or some item worked its way out of our pocket and the wrong person saw it.

But, hey, maybe carrying a hidden, furtive object illegally -- praying to our diety that no one ever sees -- is a kind of activism! That's really sticking it to the man. :rolleyes:



...

Yeah...don't do that, ok?

hardluk1
October 1, 2010, 09:16 AM
All you need is to have any single person see you with an open carry in scream gun!! Then you might want to have a ccw for the big markets and travel'n and carry open when appropriate in the rural areas. Takeing the ccw class also will open your eyes to laws that you have not thought about. Also not all major markets allow open carry even if allowed in your state. NC is a open carry state but you do stand a better than average chance to go to jail with you start travel'n to many cities around the state and find a city ordinance against open carry. And you can't carry open in many other states if travel'n. CCW and you can carry in many.

ForumSurfer
October 1, 2010, 09:31 AM
Kentucky laws for the op:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CC4QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lrc.ky.gov%2Fkrs%2F237-00%2F110.PDF&rct=j&q=kentucky%20concealed%20weapon%20laws&ei=qNKlTIj1LIL_8Aas8ZD5AQ&usg=AFQjCNHXvujLc547kogDkDdi1FhxfJdJxQ&sig2=PS-6dYlMe7bEZUjkXjJMog&cad=rja

OC vs CCW is a never-ending debate. I can and do carry legally both ways.

Yes, I firmly believe the 2nd amendment is my ccw license. But the fact of the matter is, carrying concealed without a permit is a criminal offense. That would cause me to lose my job, prevent further gun purchases and countless other hardships all because I was too stubborn to obtain a silly little piece of paper. That piece of paper would look really appealing while I was spending a few hours in line at the unemployment office.

Get the permit, take some classes. That is, if you read up on the debates and decide CCW is the way for you. CCW has several advantages over OC and OC has several advantages over CCW. Why not allow yourself to do both? I carry concealed everywhere I can these days. It is a rare occasion for me to OC, but I do OC from time to time.

Edit:: I don't care too much that the goverment ends up with my info and fingerprints in a database for CCW. I've worked military contract jobs, bank jobs, government jobs and all sorts of places that have required me to get clearance checks out the wazoo...so my stuff is already out there. The ability to carry a concealed handgun (handgun only in NC) and heaven forbid actually be forced to use it in protection of myself and/or my family far outweighs the risk that the government would come after me in a gestapo fashion because my name is on some list.

Carl N. Brown
October 1, 2010, 09:54 AM
Tennessee certification for permit includes classes by a state licensed firearms instructor. When I got my permit, it included a four-hour class on self defense law including a videotape by the state attorney general explaining how prosecutors look at self defense. If you think you know self defense law from TV, newspapers or internet chatter you are badly misinformed. It was a real eye-opener, and it differs state to state, year to year, often based on court cases that go back and forth. Lawful use of lethal force in self defense is a serious undertaking. Get good legal instruction on the laws and court decisions on self defense and use of force in your jurisdiction.

By the way, Tennessee Handgun Carry Permit covers open or concealed carry. Any carry for defense outside the home without a permit is the crime of "going armed".

TheWarhammer
October 1, 2010, 10:18 AM
I don't carry very often, the area I live in is just not particularly hazardous IMO.

... And I don't have a fire extinguisher because I don't live in a particularly fire proned house.
... And I don't wear a seat belt because I don't particularly plan on being in a accident.
... And I don't wear a motorcycle helmet because I don't particularly crash a lot.
... And I don't lock my doors on my house because...

I can't count the times I've heard or read, "but we live in a nice area... we never thought that could happen here!" We carry to be prepared for an event that we hope will never happen. If there was some way to know when it was going to happen and only carry on that day, then we could just stay home and avoid the situation altogether. I carry every day, not because I live in fear, but because I live in reality.

Just One Shot
October 1, 2010, 10:26 AM
Why? Why not?

For me it's a no brainer. Having one could mean the difference in you being seen as a law abiding citizen or a gun toting thug if you ever have the unfortunate experience of ever having to use your handgun for self defense.

The treament you recieve on scene could make up for the minor inconvenience of giving up a day to take the course.

People who have one in Ohio must go through a background check. As a result they are generally seen as upstanding citizens by the majority of the LE community.

Deanimator
October 1, 2010, 10:44 AM
It depends:


Is there violent crime where you live or anywhere you go?
If there's no violent crime where you live, will that always be the case?
Do you question whether the police can protect individuals?
If you can't guarantee that criminals will avoid you and the police will protect you, would you prefer to defend yourself than to meekly submit, hoping that they will only take your belongings?

If so, you might want to think about getting your concealed carry credential.

preachnhunt
October 1, 2010, 10:52 AM
As a citizen of Ky. let me add my voice to the chorus of those who are saying get the permit. It is not a difficult process and it allows you the peace of mind of knowing what you can and cannot do in the every day carrying of a weapon. You also will have the opportunity to learn and think about the laws regarding the use of force in the event you ever need to defend yourself.

Gouranga
October 1, 2010, 12:17 PM
...also consider the reciprocity agreements your state has with other states. My NC CCW for example gives me the right to carry concealed in 32+ states at the current moment. I can OC in NC but if I cross into SC that is not permitted. Instead I carry concealed and can drive across a lot of different state lines doing so.

OC/CCW can be argued like religion and will be, one thing with CCW I do not have to worry about is some nimrod going berserk and calling the cops about "a man with a gun". In NC in particular, we have another law "Going armed to the terror of the public" that can be applied and IS applied very loosely to just about any situation involving a guy with a firearm. While I very much support my brothers in arms who OC and their right to do so, it is not something for me. Also with the CCW I am covered no matter how I carry in NC.

gym
October 1, 2010, 12:37 PM
On top of which , a lawyer is going to cost you a lot more than a permit, and an arrest is going to put you on a lot more "lists". Thank God we are finally making progress on this, issue, abide by the laws and the few other states that still live in the dark ages may actually be able to become a part of the rest of the country.Support your local grass roots gun ownwers associations, and let's get everyone the right to carry.

Corporal K
October 1, 2010, 12:38 PM
I've been a concealed permit holder for about 2 years and I carry daily. CC allows you to have a defensive weapon with you at all times without raising the concerns of LEO's or clueless civilians.

Even though I can legally open carry where I live, I don't want to be noticed and I don't want to have any unnecessary discussions with LEOs, store managers, freaked-out soccer moms, etc. Regardless of whether or not it's my right, I prefer to keep it discreet. I carry in supermarkets, restaurants, coffee shops, kids sporting events, wherever, and it's never an issue because no one is aware of it except me.

Plus, you will learn a lot in a concealed carry class. You will learn about your state's deadly force laws and if you have a good instructor, you will also learn about drawing, re-holstering, etc.

It is absolutely worth the time and expense. Plus, if you are ever in a defensive shooting situation, you can prove that you have some level of training.

22-rimfire
October 1, 2010, 12:39 PM
I'm not in KY. KY is certainly more liberal in terms of carrying a firearm based on what I know. I chose to get the permit in my state because of a number of reasons which may or may not apply to your situation.

(1) I can carry a loaded handgun in my vehicle.
(2) I can carry a loaded handgun on my person when I choose.
(3) I can carry a loaded handgun in many states with reciprocity with TN. This is I believe 35 states last time I looked.
(4) I do not need to worry about whether a firearm becomes exposed.
(5) Open carry is not legal in my state unless you have a concealed carry permit (handgun carry permit). But I would not choose this option other than in the woods.

The vehicle item is very important to me. In my state, if I have a loaded handgun in my vehicle and I'm stopped for any reason and the officer sees the weapon or chooses to look for a weapon, my goose is cooked without the permit. I would loose my gun rights if successfully prosecuted. So, why take the chance? Why put myself in a position where I would have to spend thousands of dollars to defend myself when I can just get the permit and be done with it?

NavyLCDR
October 1, 2010, 12:41 PM
Very intelligent and well expressed post, Gouranga. If I may, though, nitpic one small item....

My NC CCW for example gives me the right to carry concealed in 32+ states at the current moment.

Does the CCW permit actually give you the right? Or does it give you permission to exercise that right? Is it really a right if one must obtain the government's permission to do something?

My personal thought, and why it is such a big deal to me, is that if we, as a gun community, are so free to consider it our "right" to carry a gun by having to obtain government permission to do so we are conceding to the anti-gun groups. I think that tends to send the message to them that it is OK to regulate an American's ability to defend themselves against crime. Arizona, Vermont and Alaska are true examples of the "right" to carry a firearm. The other states are extending to us a privilege based upon our paying them for their permision to exercise that privilege.

Corporal K
October 1, 2010, 12:43 PM
I do not have to worry about is some nimrod going berserk and calling the cops about "a man with a gun".

Exactly! Perfectly said.

ForumSurfer
October 1, 2010, 03:00 PM
I can't count the times I've heard or read, "but we live in a nice area... we never thought that could happen here!" We carry to be prepared for an event that we hope will never happen. If there was some way to know when it was going to happen and only carry on that day, then we could just stay home and avoid the situation altogether. I carry every day, not because I live in fear, but because I live in reality.

Well put. I thought I lived in a crime free area. I thought that due to a somewhat wild youth I knew what was going on around me. Then I got first hand experience working with gangs and delinquent youths in the court system. I can honestly say it was a life changing experience. My girlfriend at the time was going to law school. She was very hardcore left wing and very anti gun...don't ask me how we ever got along. Well, after a year of this exposure, coming home everyday crying, and a 12 year old (convicted on 2 rape charges) stalked her menacingly in the parking lot...she obtained a concealed carry and changed her entire political mindset. She stopped pursuing a career defending young kids and focused her attention to becoming an ADA. Nowhere is safe, trouble is always just around the corner or a few miles down the street whether we allow ourselves to see it or not.

Does the CCW permit actually give you the right? Or does it give you permission to exercise that right? Is it really a right if one must obtain the government's permission to do something?

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But times are different these days, the world is different and it is what it is. I have to get that silly piece of paper that gives me permission to exercise my right. Is it right to force me to jump through hoops and pay to exercise my rights? Heck no. But I feel that carrying is essential to my family's health and well being...just in case I should ever need it and I truly hope I never will. I gotta do what I gotta do. That "Going armed to the terror of the public" could potentially cause trouble and unnecessary legal expenses if one find's oneself in a bad situation and a judge/da/sheriff or whoever that is anti-gun and wants to prosecute for whatever reason. Personally, most days I'd rather just ccw and live by the "don't ask don't tell" creedo. Sometimes I do OC, but it is very rare. I also fully support OC'ers and I feel that OC'ing is a very important role in the RKBA struggle. I should do it more often, but the increasing urban sprawl has put many people in rural areas that can and do call 911 when they see "a man with a gun." It happened to me with an ex-girlfriend. Luckily the responding officer was very nice and very pro-gun. Had the officer been a rookie, that "Going armed to the terror of the public" clause could have played in. Would it stick? Probably not...but I'd rather avoid the legal hassle.

MrOldLude
October 1, 2010, 03:07 PM
Do independent research. This forum is obviously biased towards.

If you don't feel you'd get any benefit from it, don't get one. If you'd like the ability to carry concealed, get one. I carry from time to time because I want to. Not because I feel the need to.

Don't let someone else tell you how to live your life.

Sam1911
October 1, 2010, 03:09 PM
This forum is obviously biased towards

That's fair enough. You could say it is one of our raisons d'etre.

rscalzo
October 1, 2010, 03:23 PM
but i can carry without one as long as its visable? atleast according to him

That's your first mistake.

Try getting information from a trusted source that you know dispenses accurate information. Too many read something on the internet and take it as fact. Bad mistake that could end up as a costly one.

Strahley
October 1, 2010, 03:24 PM
Because you can't carry a cop

RandyC
October 1, 2010, 03:41 PM
It was mentioned once before but, with your permit, you'll be able to lawfully carry in a majority of states.

Get your permit and the peace of mind that comes with it.

MikeNice
October 1, 2010, 03:46 PM
Hartmen watch out with open carry. I would look in to it in depth. Just because it is technically legal doesn't mean it is hassle free.

There was a group of five guys cited with "disorderly conduct" in Madisson WI. They were violating no city or state law by carrying openly. However, some one called the cops because they saw five armed men entering an eatery. Because their behavior caused a "disturbance" they were cited.

They can probably get out of it. The question is could you afford the lawyer's fees and the missed time at work? It could easily cost these guys hundreds or thousands of dollars. If they just pay off the ticket they get a fresh new criminal record that can effect their lives from now on.

Just because open carry is legal doesn't mean you won't be fighting for the right on a regular basis.

I'm not saying that you should go either way. I'm just giving a little more info to think about.

In NC we have open carry that is regulated on a city by city and county by county basis. So the form of carry allowed in Durham is not the same as Chapel Hill and may be very different in Ashville or Manteo. If that is the case in KY a CCH permit could definitely be worth the time.

ForumSurfer
October 1, 2010, 04:30 PM
It was mentioned once before but, with your permit, you'll be able to lawfully carry in a majority of states.

I agree. When vacationing out of state with my family, some states don't allow open carry but do offer reciprocity for my concealed carry permit. That is a very big plus for me.

In NC we have open carry that is regulated on a city by city and county by county basis. So the form of carry allowed in Durham is not the same as Chapel Hill and may be very different in Ashville or Manteo. If that is the case in KY a CCH permit could definitely be worth the time.

I live in NC and that played a big part in my obtaining a concealed handgun permit. I work in the triangle from time to time and if I'm not mistaken, I can't open carry in Cary. Not a big fan of that town. They revoke your right to carry concealed or otherwise in many areas...including sidewalks.

JohnBiltz
October 1, 2010, 05:22 PM
I got my CCW originally with no intent to use it. I just figured if I ever did need it I would not want to be waiting weeks to get it, I would need it now. It seemed a good idea to go ahead and get it.

hartmen
October 1, 2010, 07:23 PM
i read up on one of the links posted about my state and already learnt something. i can carry a gun in my car as long as its visable or in the glove box.


im leaning towards getting one now. there was recently a double homicide in my community. plus what everyone mentioned about legal matters is very interesting if something was to happen.

plus i may learn something or alot! from the classes.

Gouranga
October 1, 2010, 07:37 PM
Does the CCW permit actually give you the right? Or does it give you permission to exercise that right? Is it really a right if one must obtain the government's permission to do something?

NavyLT, nitpick away. the sad state of affairs in this country is it gives me the ability to carry concealed legally. Bearing arms is of course a right in the Constitution. However, there are more than a few states where exercising that right is illegal, or extremely limited. In most states it is in fact limited in some manner.

So in my opinion, it is a right we have lost. One we need to get back desperately. WE lost it because we as a people allowed it to be taken from us. I understand the concept of this being a right, but for me personally, the fact that in many areas it no longer is a effective right you can exercise without arrest, makes the battle to restore it that much more important.

mustang_steve
October 1, 2010, 07:39 PM
Open carry can sometimes attract attention from those that want your gun. It can also result in you being first target in the event of a planned robbery/hostage situation.

OC is nice, but it's only going to really work in a world where most of the populace carries already, thus the SOP is everyone is armed.

The real benefit of CC is the concealed part. People treat you normally instead of reacting however they would if they knew you were armed.

Another benefit to the permit is being able to carry protection in other states that may not be OC friendly (reciprocity).

I'd get it just for the reciprocity perspective alone. In my area I no longer have a 3-day waiting period on firearm purcahses either (law in this and the neighboring counties, 3-day wait on all firearm sales except for CWP holders).

jwr_747
October 1, 2010, 09:51 PM
lots of states allow open carry (most LEO's don't know it),also allow concelled carry with a permit. if you are packing your BBQ gun on your hip at your local park,climb in your car and now you are a concelled carrier,you need the permit. riding around with your 1911 flopping around on your dash not really a good idea....jwr

bottom shelf
October 1, 2010, 10:35 PM
Why should you get one? Dunno. I can only tell you why I got one.

I don't live or work in a bad neighborhood. I don't ever have to even go into a bad neighborhood. Never find myself out late at night. I'm not too worried about defense of myself or others much at all. I got one because I like guns, and like being around them. What better way than to carry one with you. Since getting it, I have found that I like getting training as well.

hardluk1
October 2, 2010, 03:45 PM
I started to carry when it became legal in FL. That would be around 25+ years now. Never had to pull a handgun. Hope to never need to but i have it if I do.

Hot brass
October 2, 2010, 07:15 PM
If you don`t know why you should carry, you should not carry.

The Lone Haranguer
October 2, 2010, 07:47 PM
This man is happy that he had one. (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_4_33/ai_n31877381/?tag=content;col1)

TheWarhammer
October 2, 2010, 11:11 PM
So were this man AND his wife (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H1mYxYygNQ&feature=geo)!

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