16inch 30-30 barrel.


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lobo9er
October 2, 2010, 10:05 PM
do 30-30's need more barrel than 16inches? I was looking at couple different lever guns from 16 inch barrels to 24.

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R.W.Dale
October 2, 2010, 10:13 PM
Does 30/30 or pretty much any rifle cartridge perform better in a longer barrel? YES

Will a 16" barreled 30/30 be ineffective on game? NO


It's more a question of are you willing to sacrifice a little ballistic performance for a handier package? It's not like 30/30 would stop working altogether if fired from a 16" tube.

Red Cent
October 2, 2010, 10:18 PM
Need? Nope. You give up some velocity, gain one hell of a muzzleblast, and is as accurate as a 22" barrel.
I would vote for a 20" barrel. I would think you are looking at the Trapper. Cool rifle. Brush gun. Not in shooting through, but walking through.

AStone
October 2, 2010, 10:25 PM
Ah, well, I'll subscribe here.

I've been planning for years to cut my 336 down to 16.5 or 17. Haven't yet.
(Complicated story about why, involves both money and time.)

But will eventually. For me, it's a handling issue.
Not so worried about loss off a little ballistic performance.
All my shots will be closer in, probably less than 100 yds.

If you click on levers in my sig line, you'll go to a thread where this has been discussed repeatedly.
Pretty long thread (understatement), but you can search it for "cut" and find relevant posts.

Furncliff
October 3, 2010, 12:45 AM
You might be interested in this article about a cut down on a Marlin336.

http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Marlin336CS.htm

AStone
October 3, 2010, 12:50 AM
^ Ah, the classic cut it down essay.

Yes. Read it, then cut it down.

surjimmy
October 3, 2010, 02:12 AM
I have a Marlin 45/70 with a 16in barrel. Very handy and quick.

eastbank
October 3, 2010, 04:40 AM
i have a 94 winchester timber carbine in 444 that is ported,that gun just plain hurts you shoulder,ears and eyes(kick,noise and muzzel flash) but i love it, 265gr at 2000fps. eastbank.

Badlander
October 3, 2010, 08:55 AM
I cut this 30-30 to 16" recently. Shot it for the first time last week. Shoots very well. I did not notice any increase in muzzel blast wearing muffs. very handy little rifle. You will like A shorty!

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz144/Gaterskiner/1956%20Marlin%20336%20SC/P1010004-2.jpg

IV Troop
October 3, 2010, 08:56 AM
My Marlin 30-30 is a 16" job and it is perfect!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Marlin3030006.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Marlin3030003.jpg

Some old out of production accelerators:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b109/IV_Troop/Marlin3030001.jpg

Abel
October 3, 2010, 09:48 AM
I have a 336 with an 18.5" barrel that is plenty short and handy. I wouldn't want anything shorter than that. But plenty do seem to like the 16.5" barrel.

MMCSRET
October 3, 2010, 10:13 AM
I have 3 carbines with 16" barrels. The Winchester '94 in 32 Winchester Special is original from the factory. It gives up quite a lot compared to my Marlin 336A, 24" in the same chambering, but is handier and I developed another set of loads for the short barrel. I cut my Marlin 1894C and 1894, 357 and 44 Mag, to 16" each. Both cartridges were originally developed for revolvers with 6 1/2" barrels or 8 3/8" barrels, so I did not loose on that deal. Chrono results before and after show a loss of less than 50 FPS with both using the same loads. I like short barrel carbines, but usually have a standard length of the same chambering as well. Just can't have too many variations!!!

cane
October 3, 2010, 10:32 AM
I don't know the technical answer to your question, but I've shot several white tail with my 10" contender, maybe it was the very noticable muzzle blast, but none of them required a second shot.

db_tanker
October 3, 2010, 11:26 AM
if you look up old historical records you will find several Model 1894 Winchester saddle rifles with a 14" barrel in 30 WCF. Even seen one in 15".

I am not sure if these were factory offerings or custom jobs...but I am sure they didn't hamper their operations.

lobo9er
October 3, 2010, 12:25 PM
thanks ya'll decision made gonna cut down my 336 was looking at a few at a gunshow and dicks but i think i may just hot rod what i got its beat up and could use a face lift.

surjimmy
October 3, 2010, 04:04 PM
Here's a few pictures of my 45/70 Trapper.http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/surjimmy/IMG_2265.jpghttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/surjimmy/IMG_2267.jpghttp://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa250/surjimmy/IMG_2266.jpg

lobo9er
October 3, 2010, 06:38 PM
nice rifle! a 45/70 would be sick but i think i should slick up what i got before a i pick up another lever gun. its an older model before the recievers came drilled and tapped, so i think 1st i'm gonna have the reciever drilled and have the barrels cut down then decide wether or not a ramline stock will be added or just paint or stain the existing furniture. thanks again for the pics

Badlander
October 3, 2010, 07:06 PM
Lobo9er
What model 336 do you have?

T.R.
October 3, 2010, 08:16 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/Glenfield30GT.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c146/rushmoreman/30-30target-1.jpg

This is my Glenfield model 30GT with 18.5 inch barrel. It came from the factory this way in 1979. The recoil pad was added to lengthen the stock to fit me.

TR

AStone
October 3, 2010, 08:37 PM
I'd call that acceptable MODH.

(Minute of deer heart)

Beautiful furniture, too.
Never seen a 336 (or relative) with such light wood.

lobo9er
October 3, 2010, 10:37 PM
badlander,
its a 336-a manufactured in 1949
dont know much history about the 336 im but reading up.

achildofthesky
October 4, 2010, 12:45 PM
My take on this is disregard the hooey about muzzle blast (I don't even notice it at all), disregard the small velocity loss, if you like handy handling in a rifle, go for it either by cut or OEM. For example:

Take this:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee186/achildofthesky/336SDG/DSC01976.jpg

Load up some 170gr bulllets (170gr Win over 29.0gr H4895, FC or Win Brass, Win WLR or CCI 200 primer) or get some el cheapo Federal 170's and get this at 100 yards with the scope on 5x:

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee186/achildofthesky/336SDG/DSC01974.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee186/achildofthesky/336SDG/DSC01969.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee186/achildofthesky/336SDG/DSC01975.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee186/achildofthesky/336SDG/DSC01972.jpg

By the way the net cost on the NIB 336 SDG was under $380 including shipping and FFL fees... I bought it and a 308SDT as a pair deal on GB and sold the 308 fire sale inside of 24 hours for c note more than it cost me. Sometimes you can find a SMOKIN deal on what you want.

Oh, it shoots LE ammo pretty well too (around and inch and a quarter to and inch and a half) but compared to the 170's, they shot pretty high.

If you like it, just do it. You will like the results and laugh at all the naysayers, many of whom have never shot or handled a minimal length rifle. Don't get me wrong though, nothing wrong with a 20" barrel on a 336, but I am SOLD on the easy handling shorties.

Be safe
Patty

AStone
October 4, 2010, 01:12 PM
Good to "see" you, Patty.

Guys, listen to her advice. She knows her guns. I think she's onto something.

Having pangs to get my 336 cut down.
(Actually, having pangs to get it out here.
It's in storage on the other coast while I transition.)

Better start looking around this new neighborhood for a smith that can do it.

Or, here's a thought: maybe I'll have it shipped from other coast to a smith between here and there, then let them ship it to me at the end.

OK, so what's the best shop for the cut and crown in the lower 48?

I lean towards someone in the northern tier since it'll be in
a straight line from where it is to me, but will listen to reason.

Nem

achildofthesky
October 4, 2010, 03:11 PM
Hey there Nem... I know you are a pretty long way off but were you in these parts you'd be welcome to try Shorty out. I stumbled on the deal when looking for a basic stainless 336 and was shocked when the pair sold so cheaply. I had (and still do) thought about chopping a few inchs off ol' Marvin the wonder rifle but given I have this now, I am not in so much of a hurry now. Someday...


Be safe and great to hear from you again.
Patty

Badlander
October 4, 2010, 05:30 PM
Patty Can't wait to see the cut down Marvin. Nem Get on it!!!!

GDW
October 4, 2010, 06:46 PM
Wild West Guns cuts their lever guns down and so does Grizzly Custom Guns (others too, I am sure). Grizzly has some nice articles on their "Brush Hawg" that you can look at: www.grizzlycustomguns.com.

Personally, I'd cut one down in an instant (but before I did, I'd think about adding Treebone stocks). But that's just me.

Hunterdad
October 4, 2010, 06:56 PM
Now I have to get another 336 and get it cut down....thanks:neener:

AStone
October 4, 2010, 10:19 PM
Grizzly has some nice articles on their "Brush Hawg" $1,885 on Grizzly Custom-supplied blued 336C rifles.

Beautiful carbines, and I'm sure worth the money, but well past my budget.

lobo9er
October 4, 2010, 11:51 PM
anyone ever install one of those rifle man levers on a 336? if so did you like it??

Sheepdog1968
October 11, 2010, 10:05 PM
I sent my 336 in 30-30 off to Jim Brockman and he cut it down to about 16.75". I am very happy with it. I definately like it shorter and I just finished a week of deer hunting with it. On some days I carried a 30-06 bolt action with a 24" barrel. I definately appreciated the shorter barrel on my 336. I am mostly a 3 MOA shooter with 10 shot groups. At times I can shoot 2 MOA. As best I can tell, the conversion didn't alter the accuracy. Likely the rifle is more accurate than I am. It is plenty accurate for deer hunting. The capacity went from 6+1 to 5+1. Again, more than enough for deer hunting. I don't have any regrets shortening the barrel length and would do it over again.

AStone
October 11, 2010, 10:18 PM
I sent my 336 in 30-30 off to Jim Brockman...Here (http://www.brockmansrifles.com/lever_cust.asp).

Shorten & Recrown Barrel (Includes Shortening Mag. Tube, Moving Barrel Band & Front Sight where applicable)...$110.00Seems reasonable to me.

And he's in a straight line from where my rifle is now to me.

Hmm.

AStone
November 16, 2015, 12:18 AM
With Lobo's permission -- and the mods -- I'd like to re-start this thread.

Why? I participated in it 5 years ago. (See the post immediately above.)

I'm finally planning to get my .30-30 cut down. (The reason that I haven't yet is a long story, and not appropriate here.) I'm seeking advice about the process, and have considered starting a thread about it (in addition to several others I'm participating in about .30-30, including the one in my sig line).

But on a web search for ".30-30 short barrel", this one came up.

Thoughts?

ifit
November 16, 2015, 03:38 PM
Instead of cutting existing barrel, just wondering ever considered buying one originally with a 16" barrel? I had one last year and liked the balance of it and was pretty darn accurate to

AStone
November 16, 2015, 03:50 PM
I have indeed considered that, ifit. It's a reasonable strategy.

But in my case, I'll not do it. Reasons: 1) I'm poor (at least for now; hopefully that will change next year with a new business strategy) and would have to sell this rifle to afford a different one. I like this one; I've done some work on it (polishing the action), and want to stick with it.

Two: my profession keeps me moving to new digs where I stay for months to a year. That'll continue for a while. I don't want to tote multiple guns around, and have to store them in temporary quarters. So my kit needs to remain small (right now, two rifles, one handgun; I'm fine with that.)

Three, related to two, I like to get to know my guns very well. I've never been a collector, or a fan of shooting lots. I've spent years honing my gun kit, like the one's I've settled on. I want to cut my .30, scope it (Leupold VX Hog), and get to know it very well. I'm super eager to find a couple or three loads for it that it likes a lot. Hypothesis:

hogs: 170 gr
deer: (Florida, small) either 150 or 160 Hornady -- I'm eager to try those more
general and HD, perhaps even Florida deer: 125 gr

ifit
November 16, 2015, 04:36 PM
Oh ok ..got it

scaatylobo
November 16, 2015, 05:12 PM
IF they NEED a barrel longer than 16".

Does that mean that the Thompson Center Contender with a "super 14" barrel" not work as a hunting pistol ?.

I used a Super 14 in .35 Remington for 30 years,it did the job.

Hope that is close to what your seeking.

btw = I have a Winchester trapper with a 16" barrel that I killed a wild hog with,a few years back .

X-Rap
November 16, 2015, 09:22 PM
Yep, the Super 14 packs plenty of punch and i don't hold much to the theory of exponential muzzle blast in shorter barrels. I only wish we could carry -16" rifle barrels with jumping through hoops.

ECVMatt
November 16, 2015, 10:40 PM
I love short leverguns and have found that they perform well. I like the 16" and 18" inch bbls. If I had to have just one, I would probably go with the 18". It is plenty compact for me and seems just a little less blasty (is that a real word? I will admit it is totally subjective.)

Here are a few of my shorties:

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n431/ECVMatt/IMG_8105_zpsa91bb73a.jpg

snorko
November 17, 2015, 04:30 PM
I cut down a Marlin 336to 16.5" a while back and just got to the range with it a oth ago. With Leverevolution ammo it holds under 2" at 100 yards using a Burris Fastfire III. With Skinner peep sights it is at an inch or so at 50 yards.

mokin
November 17, 2015, 04:45 PM
That's hardcore gunporn EVCMatt. What are those? Very nice. I've been looking at getting a lever action for a while.

AStone
November 17, 2015, 05:21 PM
I've seen Matt's Gporn a couple of times, but never get tired of seeing it. That one 2nd from the bottom is my fav: looks 336ish. He's named 'em, but I can't remember. I see it as a model of what mine will look like soon.

Snorko, such results as yours make me smile; gaining confidence for the chop.

AStone
November 17, 2015, 08:01 PM
So, I finally got serious this afternoon about finding a good smith to do this work at a reasonable price.

I'll send it off if I must, but hoping to get lucky finding a local smith (w/in 45 mi) to do it. I'd rather meet the guy and talk with him a bit.

I've called three numbers so far, one is Gander Mt. Another one never picked up (I was put on hold), and the third told me what I asked for, but not necessarily what I wanted to hear.

I'd read months back to expect barrel cut and crown, plus mod magazine was going to be in the range of $80 -- at least I think. This guy quoted me $100 - $150 (why so much range?), and said if I he had to come out to the counter to answer my questions, he'd have to charge me for that. Hmm.

I've found a fourth one west of here in a different town, but his web site doesn't work, and he has 4 reviews on his google page: 2 5-star ("he's great"), two 1-star (he's an a** and a rip off). Not getting a good feeling about that one.

I'll send it off if I must, and am open to reading your advice.

redbullitt
November 18, 2015, 12:08 AM
I will take a 16 inch barrel all day long there. Every day. I have thought very hard about a SBR 357 lever... Just hate going so far down on capacity.

No complaints on the 14 inch encore in 30 30 either!

I shoot almost entirely cast bullets in these rifles, so that may play into it. I am quite happy with 1900 FPS and very happy with results on deer and targets.

The lever guns I have had cut threaded etc all ranged in price based on how the mag tube attached and how much machine time it would take. My marlins were easy and cheaper than my rossi 92 simply due to the mag sight work.

Bula
November 18, 2015, 12:31 AM
Gadzooks man! Now I want my 80's vintage W94 cut down to trapper length. Only thing I kill is paper and a boulder here and there.

CaliCoastie
November 18, 2015, 01:28 AM
My 336sdt (stainless 16.5 barrel) does fine at 250yds(there's a 12in gong there) so should do fine for what you want.

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