Finally got enough .45 brass to start loading. New to reloading so bear with me. I am now loading 9mm and .32 with good results. I just bought 100-- 230 gr. lead lubed bullets at the local gun show. I have a 3 die set of Lee's. I was told that they would be ok for the lead slugs but I would need a crimp die for FMJ's as not using one would buckle the case. Also what wuld be a good starting load for those bullets. I have green dot and titegroup on hand but the Lee spec. sheet does not list those powders They list accur #7,5,2 etc. What say you guys.
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October 3, 2010, 04:06 PM
I've loaded 5 gr. Titegroup with the 230 gr. Rainier plated bullet (same data as lead), and it's quite accurate. I've done these up with both the CCI 300 and WLP primers, both good. Titegroup will dirty up a pistol, at least in this load, but as a friend of mine said when someone was complaining about this at our shoot "You clean your gun, don't you?"
October 3, 2010, 04:35 PM
I was told that they would be ok for the lead slugs but I would need a crimp die for FMJ's as not using one would buckle the case.Thats simply not true.
A three-die .45 ACP set will do everything necessary to load any type of bullet, lead or jacketed.
The seater die straightens out the bell you put in with the expander to get the bullet started in the case.
A taper-crimp to return the case to factory spec is all you need or should use with any straight-wall auto-pistol caliber, and the seating/crimping die included in the set is perfectly capable of doing a factory taper crimp.
October 3, 2010, 06:55 PM
Midstates 230gr LRN with TiteGroup
Primer: Win LP
Powder Wt.: 4.3grs.
Crimp: Taper .468"
Firearm: Glock 21SF with LoneWolf Barrel
Avg. Vel: 777.5
Power Factor: 178
Soft shooting highly accurate load at 15yds.
4.3grs. fills the case to 25% capacity easy to
double charge if not careful.
Powder burns hot.
October 3, 2010, 09:12 PM
Been reloading 45ACP with Lee 3 die set for 15+ years with very happy results. :D
For lead 0.452" diameter bullets, I taper crimp the case to 0.472" and they chamber in just about all the 45/1911 pistols I have access to. If you get lead shaving from the side of the bullet during seating, increase the case neck flare "a bit".
As to Green Dot, I found it uses comparable W231/HP38 load data, but you need to use 0.2-0.3 gr more to match the performance and accuracy.
For 230 gr lead RN, I load them to 1.25" OAL and recommend 5.2 - 5.3 gr of Green Dot. Mild recoil and accurate load.
October 4, 2010, 07:34 AM
4 - 4.5 Bullseye for target 5.0 for fuller power load
October 4, 2010, 08:18 PM
I have a cardboard container of older, estate sale, Green Dot. I assume it is late 70’s to early 80’s. It is old enough that the shiny tinned metal bottom has a small number of rust spots from the powder. The powder does not smell, I don’t see any red, but I want to shoot it up as soon as possible. It is at the end of its shelf life.
Green Dot works well in the 45 ACP. My M1911’s functioned every time on the 700 fps 4.5 grain load. That load had very little recoil and yet clustered well. I judge the accuracy of the ammo by the clustering on my 25 yard gong target. Since I shoot offhand my accuracy is highly variable compared to someone shooting off sandbags. I can say that Green Dot has accuracy potential as it clustered well, but I cannot say that it is any more accurate than any other powder.
Green Dot must be just a little slower burning than Bullseye as 5.0 grains of Green Dot gave me the same velocities as 4.5 grains Bullseye. Green Dot is still a fast burning powder.
I fired my loads in two different M1911’s and I was glad to see that the velocities were similar between the pistols.
Some people are ultra fussy about clean burning powders. I am not. I cannot say Green Dot is a “clean” powder as the wind was whipping through around 15 mph. Any residue in the air was gone before I could see it. My M1911’s cleaned up as usual, but I have must have a higher tolerance about residue than the clean crowd as I am not bothered cleaning up after using Bullseye or Unique.
I like my practice ammo to be just around 800 fps, or less, so I am loading up several hundred more rounds with the 5.0 grains Green Dot.
I am not looking to replace any of my favorite pistols powders of Bullseye, Unique and 2400 with Green Dot. I am also not looking to add more Green Dot to the collection. But I won’t turn down Green Dot if I get it at a great price as it shoots well in the 38 Special and 45 ACP.
Kimber Custom Classic
230 gr LRN 4.5 grs Bullseye 99' & 2005 mixed lot Mixed Brass WLP (brass)
OAL 1.250" taper crimp .469"
16-May-09 high 83 °F
Ave Vel =805.2
Std Dev =38.07
ES = 136.9
High = 912.4
Low = 775.5
N = 24
230 LRN 4.5 grs Green Dot lot 178 WLP Mixed Military OAL 1.245" taper crimp 0.469"
27 Feb 2010 T = 48 ° F
Ave Vel =708 fps
Std Dev =12
ES = 40
High = 727
Low = 687
N = 9
accurate, little high, mild recoil
230 LRN 5.0 grs Green Dot lot 178 WLP Mixed Military OAL 1.245" taper crimp 0.469"
27 Feb 2010 T = 48 ° F
Ave Vel =802fps
Std Dev =19
ES = 61
High = 841
Low = 780
N = 15
230 LRN 5.5 grs Green Dot lot 178 WLP Mixed Military OAL 1.245" taper crimp 0.469"
27 Feb 2010 T = 48 ° F
Ave Vel =873 fps
Std Dev =30
ES = 88
High = 922
Low = 834
N = 11