Can you hunt with an M1 Carbine ??


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Kymasabe
October 5, 2010, 01:05 AM
And does anyone make hollowpoint ammo for it? Will the gun actually feed HP or SP ammo? I'm thinking of maybe hog hunting with it.

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MistWolf
October 5, 2010, 01:08 AM
We used to load the 30 Carbine with cast lead bullets. My brother did in more than a few rabbits with one.

I wouldn't use a 30 Carbine on deer unless I had a good bullet and was able to get close enough to poke the muzzle in it's ear before I shot.

Hogs? Not this little yellow duck!

amd6547
October 5, 2010, 01:16 AM
If you would hunt them with a 357mag, yes.
My Inland carbine handles SP loads no problem...Remington and PRVI make them.

rondog
October 5, 2010, 03:03 AM
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/gun%20funnies/Alaskabearhunter.jpg


Hey, I don't know if the photo's real or not.....

Kangspec
October 5, 2010, 04:14 AM
shot placement is the key.... :P

kwelz
October 5, 2010, 08:45 AM
Some states specifically state you can not use .30 Carbine. Strange, considering the same states usually allow .357 Mag and the rounds are very similar ballisticly.

USSR
October 5, 2010, 08:49 AM
Most USGI .30 Carbines will feed the softpoint bullets just fine, since the bullet profile is the same as the FMJ bullets. Hollowpoints are another story.

Don

Russ Jackson
October 5, 2010, 09:21 AM
Used to be popular in Michigan when hunting brush...Russ

JohnD13
October 5, 2010, 09:24 AM
I thinl DPX is making a hollow point round for the carbine. I'm not sure I'd use it on deer size game myself, but up to coyote size animals no problem.

jimmyraythomason
October 5, 2010, 09:30 AM
I have a box of Winchester 110 gr.hollow point ammo. It is Winchester (x30m1) Wxx and feed very well. A carbine is legal to hunt deer and hogs with here in Alabama. My father-n-law has killed several deer with the little M1.

loadedround
October 5, 2010, 10:04 AM
It's illegal in Pennsylvania and many other states that forbids hunting with a semi-auto. I wouldn't use it for deer sized game if I even permitted too. Upto Fox sized varmits only, if I were to use the M1 carbine.

Al Thompson
October 5, 2010, 10:31 AM
The carbine with soft points works fine on the smaller southern deer, with a couple of catches - be close and put the bullet in the right spot. IMHO, be able to keep three shots on a playing card - the distance where you can't do that anymore is your max range.

For me, the carbine is not enough gun for hogs unless you are pretty darn experienced.

jimmyraythomason
October 5, 2010, 11:25 AM
In the hands of a skilled hunter using quality hunting ammo,a carbine will put a lot of meat in the freezer. Anyone who doesn't respect the carbine,will never know it's potential since they won't be taking it hunting to learn what it can do.

natman
October 5, 2010, 02:59 PM
Winchester makes a (tiny) hollowpoint load for the M1 Carbine.

http://www.winchester.com/Products/rifle-ammunition/super-x/hollow-soft-point/Pages/default.aspx?c=30+Carbine

The M1 Carbine generates enough MV that ashtray sized hollowpoints are not necessary or even desirable.

I wouldn't recommend using it for pigs though. Yes, it's capable of killing a pig if everything goes perfectly. However a real rifle round in the 308 class would be a far, far better choice.

Check your local game laws, many states prohibit hunting big game with the M1 Carbine, for good reason.

Kymasabe
October 5, 2010, 03:16 PM
Well, the reason I was asking is...I just got an M1 carbine from a customer if mine, bought a really nice looking one for cheap. I have a friend who's asked me a few times to go hog hunting with him but I don't usually have a rifle that's accurate that I can rely on. I have a Chinese Mosin carbine but the sights are WAY off. Was thinking of using the M1. My buddy hunts with a lever .357 so I thought .... why not .30cal?

Al Thompson
October 5, 2010, 04:14 PM
Kym, if you can pass the really big ones and go for the ones less than 125 lbs, you should be OK. Pound for pound, hogs are tougher than deer, but not bullet proof. :)

Practice is important.

rondog
October 5, 2010, 04:44 PM
The 110gr. FMJ Carbine bullets would go through both sides of a German helmet, if that helps. Great video! See at 3:00. http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=16086

Yarddog
October 5, 2010, 05:43 PM
I've Harvested Deer & Hogs With a 30 Cal carbine NO Problem, Just stic to 5 rnd Mags ; )
Y/D

desidog
October 5, 2010, 05:48 PM
An M1 is a big improvement over a rock and a spear....as our ancestors did it.

They worked for hunting Nazis and Japanese in WW2, and deer torsos are about the same size.

TRGFTJob
October 10, 2010, 11:27 PM
i dont know about hogs, as i have never hunted them, and they are pretty big and at least seem pretty rugged.... deer however can be killed easily, provided a reasonable amount of accuracy (gotta hit the vitals obviously).... as to not using it on anything bigger than fox, if it can kill a 180 pound person, so its probably capable of killing things bigger than a 15 pound pup

deafdave3
October 10, 2010, 11:33 PM
You can slice a tomato with a machete, but that doesn't mean its the best tool for the job.

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
October 11, 2010, 12:18 AM
if it can kill a 180 pound person, so its probably capable of killing things bigger than a 15 pound pup

Killing a human is about 10 times easier than a hog TRG. We are pretty much one of the weakest, easiest to kill mammals on the face of the earth.

That being said, yes the 30 car CAN do it as can a .22 long. But that doesn't make it a preferable choice. Hogs are an incredibly tough animal. Some shots will drop it dead right there with a tiny bullet while with other placements, they will absorb an insane amount of lead and still keep going.

If you feel confident in your ability to place a shot dead on where you need to at a NEVER standing still target then go for it. If not choose a caliber that will allow for a bit of miss and still deliver enough energy to take out the vitals.

TRGFTJob
October 11, 2010, 01:28 AM
well that was the point of saying i dont know about killing hogs because they are big and tough.... ive never hunted them, but ive seen farm pigs shot point blank with a 45 in the head and not die quick, i was just pointing out that they can kill medium sized game, and responding to loadedround (though i guess i should have quoted) to point out that fox are kind of small for a thirty caliber bullet, even if it is a 30 carbine

Clipper
October 11, 2010, 01:12 PM
Well, the reason I was asking is...I just got an M1 carbine from a customer if mine, bought a really nice looking one for cheap. I have a friend who's asked me a few times to go hog hunting with him but I don't usually have a rifle that's accurate that I can rely on. I have a Chinese Mosin carbine but the sights are WAY off. Was thinking of using the M1. My buddy hunts with a lever .357 so I thought .... why not .30cal?


...So adjust the Mosin sights and use enough gun.

Kernel
October 11, 2010, 01:37 PM
Would be good for called coyotes.

Justin Holder
October 11, 2010, 10:40 PM
Can you find the bullet hole?
http://i947.photobucket.com/albums/ad319/justin10mm/Scan4-1.jpg

Kernel
October 12, 2010, 02:21 AM
^^^^^
"Here, kitty, kitty." BAMM!

Can you find the bullet hole?
Ear, or square in the nose?

CZguy
October 12, 2010, 02:54 AM
Can you find the bullet hole?

Looks like another magic bullet to me. :D

Justin Holder
October 12, 2010, 04:16 PM
Can you find the bullet hole?

Its the dark spot on the forehead. ;)

SailFree
February 13, 2011, 06:21 PM
I note many threads regarding the .30 carbine, and the same questions seem to pop up over the past several years.

1) After WW2, the M1 carbine was available for around $20 through the NRA, and a lot of people, many former GIs, bought them and used them quite successfully for deer hunting.

2) Lots of articles written about their adequacy for coyotes and javelina and other small game.

3) The military ammo is ball, full patch, full metal jacket--whatever you choose to call it--and isn't useful for hunting--or home defense for that matter. I note that as of today, several ammo supply sites are sold out of the RNSP hunting type carbine ammo. Perhaps it is suddenly popular? (2/13/2011)

4) Military ammo is NOT designed to kill. It's non-expanding and designed to wound, on the theory that this ties up not only the wounded, but one or two of his buddies who need to move him or attend to his wounds. The stories of this FMJ ammo's inability to penetrate North Korean winter clothing seem silly, since the non-expanding ammo penetrates quite well, often passing through. In hunting, this is not desirable. Being non-expanding, it does less damage to internal organs, provokes less immediate internal bleeding, and generates less hydrostatic shock.

5) The .30 carbine was THE FAVORITE WEAPON of the great Audie Murphy in WW2. If it was good enough for him, it was good enough for me. I purchased one (M2) on the black market in Vietnam in 1967 and used it throughout my tour in preference to the M16. Much less finicky maintenance required. Besides, it just looked and felt so much more like a real rifle. Many of us weren't used to the modern angular weapons so common today. They looked wrong.

6) As noted by others, the .30 carbine is considered too mild a cartridge for deer hunting in several states and is thus illegal for that purpose.

7) Some use it effectively for woodchucks and other varmints, though its low velocity and relative inaccuracy and short range would seem to make it less than ideal for this purpose.

8) The Ruger Blackhawk is available in .30 carbine caliber for those who want a handgun that, as in the Old West, uses the same ammo as their rifle. Handgun loads require a faster-burning powder to achieve approximately the same velocity as the carbine, however, negating some of this interchangeability of ammo. Regular factory rifle loads will fire just fine in the Blackhawk, however, and you have to use rifle primers on handloads for the handgun to prevent perforating the primer.

SailFree
February 13, 2011, 06:32 PM
Aside from all the ballistic data, the .30 carbine is such a pretty little rifle, fast-handling, easy to get on target.

It's sort of like my old Asahi Pentax camera from a Vietnam PX. It's so much prettier than modern cameras. Unfortunately, the modern cameras and weapons do have technical advantages beyond their aesthetics.

But I keep it around, and I keep an M1 carbine with a 30-round mag loaded with RNSP ammo.

Sam1911
February 13, 2011, 07:06 PM
Handgun loads require a faster-burning powder to achieve approximately the same velocity as the carbine, however, negating some of this interchangeability of ammo

Actually, it is pretty well established at this point that the same powder that gets you max. velocity in a long barrel will get you max velocity in a shorter barrel, as well.

You may see accuracy improvements in the handgun through switching to the faster handgun powders, and certainly will notice a flash and blast reduction, but when chronographed, the same H110, 4227, W296 loads that give best results in the rifle will be giving the max results through the Blackhawk.

And, no, you won't be able to match the velocity you'd get from the longer barrel, with ANY powder.

TexasPatriot.308
February 13, 2011, 10:28 PM
killed many a two legged varmint about 200 lb.

saturno_v
February 14, 2011, 12:32 AM
Well, the reason I was asking is...I just got an M1 carbine from a customer if mine, bought a really nice looking one for cheap. I have a friend who's asked me a few times to go hog hunting with him but I don't usually have a rifle that's accurate that I can rely on. I have a Chinese Mosin carbine but the sights are WAY off. Was thinking of using the M1. My buddy hunts with a lever .357 so I thought .... why not .30cal?


You said you own already a Chinese Mosin carbine.....what is so difficult about adjusting the sights (all it takes is a punch, a hammer and some time and ammo for testing) and learn how it shoots??

The Mosin puts a much heavier pill downrange with basically 3 times the energy of the 30 Carbine....a much better hog medicine...and a Mosin carbine is almost as light and handy.

SailFree
February 16, 2011, 11:32 PM
Re fast-burning powders in pistols and velocities possible, I can only refer you to a Shooting Times article which discusses this:

http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aastruger30bh.htm

I note the velocity obtained in the Blackhawk is, with a 110 gr bullet, over 1400 fps and the carbine gives 1900. The 85 gr bullet gives 1900 in the pistol.

The Shooting Times article (a mag I find pretty authoritative) states that the pistol prefers the faster-burning powders. Fits with my experience and common sense. They do note that the accuracy is best if the powder load is backed off just a bit from max possible velocity.

Thanks for comments, Sam.

center shot
February 17, 2011, 07:46 PM
Pockets full of 15 round mags, close quarter pigs, sounds like fun to me.

j2crows
February 28, 2011, 03:07 PM
Perfect here in New Mexico for Javelina.

hirundo82
February 28, 2011, 03:13 PM
I wouldn't use it for deer sized game if I even permitted too. Upto Fox sized varmits only, if I were to use the M1 carbine.

You have to remember that Southern deer basically are varmint size compared to Yankee deer.

CZguy
March 1, 2011, 01:26 AM
You have to remember that Southern deer basically are varmint size compared to Yankee deer.


:D...........

jimmyraythomason
March 1, 2011, 08:37 AM
You have to remember that Southern deer basically are varmint size compared to Yankee deer. Maybe where you live but I personally know of 4 bucks killed in the same central Alabama area this past season that field dressed over 190lbs each. So unless your yankee deer average over 400lbs,I think they both compare pretty well.

ColtPythonElite
March 1, 2011, 10:25 AM
When I was a kid, a cheapo M1 was a lot of jr. higher's first deer rifles. They seemed to work just fine back then. I'd guess they still would today.

T.R.
March 1, 2011, 11:47 PM
Audie Murphy killed many Germans during WWII with his M1 carbine. For those who don't recognize this name: he was the most highly decorated American soldier of WWII.

Since this cartridge is similar to 357 MAG, I advise limiting shots to a reasonable deer killing distance of 60 yards or so.

TR

greyling22
March 1, 2011, 11:54 PM
my grandfather used to take his m1 carbine to the field loaded with ball for squirrels. if he saw a deer he slipped in a hollow point. now this was east texas, so short range and small deer, but he killed a lot of deer with it.

dprice3844444
March 10, 2011, 07:53 PM
just remember,if ya hittem in the wrong spot,they are meaner than a po'd ex wife at alimony time

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