9mm 115g Berry's plated bullets.....


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gilly6993
October 8, 2010, 08:22 PM
what do you think a good load is?....Using Titegroup and was going to go with 4.3g....

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griff383
October 8, 2010, 09:17 PM
I tried 3 or 4 different powders with that bullet out of a Ruger SR9c and found that bullseye worked best for me.

4.3gr should be a safe start load as the min, my LEE manual says 4.5 is starting load for a 115gr jacketed bullet

gilly6993
October 8, 2010, 09:29 PM
I tried 3 or 4 different powders with that bullet out of a Ruger SR9c and found that bullseye worked best for me.

4.3gr should be a safe start load as the min, my LEE manual says 4.5 is starting load for a 115gr jacketed bullet

I like Bullseye as well but the Titegroup seems to be a much cleaner powder....I read on their site that they lie between cast and jacketed bullets....their recomendation is low to mid jacketed data so I felt 4.3-4.5 would be a good load....

Hondo 60
October 8, 2010, 09:47 PM
Just pulled a box off of my shelf. 4.3 gr titegroup under a 115g Berry's, CCI spp & OAL of 1.120- that's my load!

dsv424
October 8, 2010, 09:50 PM
My favorite recipe for 115g. Berry plated bullets is 4.2g. Bullseye with an OAL of 1.135. I have literally made thousands of these for my Beretta M9 and Beretta Storm. They eat 'em like candy!:)

fractal7
October 8, 2010, 11:15 PM
Berry plated bullets is 4.2g. Bullseye with an OAL of 1.135.

Oddly enough this is my EXACT load for my Springfield XD 4'', with excellent results as well. I can't seem to find my log right now but I'm fairly sure I was getting somewhere around 1070 fps out of it.

arizona98tj
October 8, 2010, 11:24 PM
115 gr. Berry plated - 5 gr. Unique @ 1.150" OAL. Out of my 4" Springfield XD, they average 1140 FPS.

1SOW
October 8, 2010, 11:49 PM
Low to mid-range jacketed data should be safe like Berry's site says. If your gun runs smoothly, it's accurate for your needs and extracts and ejects well; you're good-to-go.

A chrono is the best way to check your loads "before" you load up hundreds of rounds. If you don't have access to one, be sure you really test your new load at various ranges for gun operation and accuracy, before you load up a bunch.

Sounds like your pretty close.

Skylerbone
October 9, 2010, 12:58 AM
With Berry's 115gr. 9mm plated using Competition Electronics ProChrono Digital Chronograph:

3.7 TiteGroup chronos at 950 fps (30 round average) and cycles both my M&P 9L and 9c. Great powder puff load for the wife and very accurate out of both.

3.5 TiteGroup ran 910 fps, still cycled both slides (3 1/2" barrel and 5" barrel) but wasn't as accurate.

My guess is 4.2 would run the same speed as Win. white box (1050 fps).

No excessive fouling of barrel or casings. I like TiteGroup and Clays for clean burning budget loading and use one or the other for 9mm, .38SPL, .357Mag., 40cal. and .45ACP.

As an aside, the cleanest range brass I ever picked was Federal (not sure which but it came in a red/black box). 300 rounds and every one looked unfired inside. (I watched the guy shoot it then nabbed it just as he was ready to toss it).

ChuckB
October 9, 2010, 09:58 PM
Skylerbone- thanks for emphasizing accuracy too. Chronos are very helpful to the reloader, but I care about my group sizes a lot. Different guns, different loads. Fun to find the right match, though.

Chuck

showmebob
October 9, 2010, 10:21 PM
I use 4.0 gr TiteGroup with the 115 Berrys RNDS with a col of 1.135 Very accurate load in my MP 9 Pro

Johnny Lightning
October 10, 2010, 10:31 AM
I was just reading this thread and saw you guys are using the Berry's bullets for reloading 9mm which is what I am using but am having trouble. I am using IMR Hi-Skor 700-X powder (3.9grains) w/ 124 grain Berry's plated bullets and have had MANY malfunctions out of my 34 and some out of my 17. Should I use a different powder or more powder? I noticed that when I am shooting these reloads the shells do not even fly off the bench that I am shooting off of which is odd and tells me I need more powder. Help please! I have used factory ammo in my 17 and never had a malfunction until I used my reloads.

Skylerbone
October 10, 2010, 11:32 AM
Johnny Lightning, I would stop using those loads immediately. Hodgdon's published data calls for no more than 3.4gr of 700-X at 31,600 PSI. (based on a 125gr. lead conical nose, Berry's will mimic lead bullet load data).

700-X was designed as a rifle powder (IMR= Improved Military Rifle) and works best for rifle applications. I would suggest you consider TiteGroup or HP-38/Win 231 as a replacement. These powders can reload 9mm, .38/.357, 40cal and .45ACP among others. Those and Clays (shotgun powder) are what I stick to for pistol.

I would suggest cleaning with a good copper solvent AND lead remover paying special attention to the lead area of the chamber followed by careful inspection for any build up that may have occured. Remember, these are plated not jacketed. Pro Shot (and others) make caliber specific chamber brushes that can help with cleaning other wise choose the next larger size (I'd suggest stepping up to 10mm/.400).

Best of luck and bookmark this site: http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp for Hodgdon (Hodgdon/IMR/Winchester) data. All powder companies publish on line and while their charts are far from complete offer good information to suppliment your loading manuals.

Johnny Lightning
October 10, 2010, 02:18 PM
Thanks skylerbone for the info...I already brushed and whipped out the barrels of both handguns. I am using the info out of the Speer reloading manual #14 and they have the 700-X as one of the powders that is acceptable for 9mm handgun loads? I will take your advice and buy some titegroup which is in the speer manual I am using. Since I am using plated and not jacketed bullets can I even follow the speer manual since for 115grn. and 124grn. they do not list info on plated bullets? Also should I discard the cases that I collected after shooting the hot loads.

Skylerbone
October 10, 2010, 07:51 PM
Just the usual inspection for pressure signs and damage. IMR can be used, it's just not ideal. 231 is the gold standard among .45ACP loaders and HP 38 is very close in load data, maybe .2gr less by some accounts. Clays shoots very clean but doesn't meter as well as TiteGroup.

As for plated bullets, think of cheap jewelry. A whisper thin coating over the lead that keeps lead out of the barrel. It works well but needs lower pressures to prevent damaging the bullet.

Johnny Lightning
October 11, 2010, 12:25 PM
I could only get my hands on HP-38 on short notice, so here is what I came up w/...Berry's 115 bullet, 4.3grns HP-38, at a C.O.L. 0f 1.10 w/ light crimp...Let me know if this sounds good...I followed the info on the hodgdon sight you gave me using the LRN bullet info. Thanks for all the help!

rcmodel
October 11, 2010, 12:41 PM
1.10" might be a tad short.
Since you didn't say which Berry 115 you are using, that's all I know.

The lead bullet Hodgdon listed seats short in order to keep the front driving band out of the rifling leade.

I think posts #4, 5, 6, 7 and 11 all gave you good OAL info.

I'm seating the 115 Berry RN at 1.143".
The Berry 115 TC-HP needs to be seated deeper to keep the shoulder out of the rifling.
I seat them to 1.040".

Longer generally feeds smoother then shorter in almost any gun, as long as the bullet doesn't hit the rifling leade before it can fully chamber.

rc

Walkalong
October 11, 2010, 02:19 PM
700-X was designed as a rifle powder (IMR= Improved Military Rifle) and works best for rifle applications.

700X is a fast pistol powder, not a rifle powder.

4.5 grs of 700X with a Hornady 115 RN gave me 1081 FPS from a 3" EMP, 1137 FPS from a 4 1/2" TZ, and 1275 FPS from a 16" AR. (Start low and work up)

When substituting the Ranier 115 Gr RN bullets for that Hornady bullet in some other similar apps my velocities were almost exactly the same.

You do not have to limit yourself to lead data with plated bullets.

Some plated bullet data (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6195350&postcount=11)

rcmodel
October 11, 2010, 02:31 PM
+1
IMR does stand for Improved Military Rifle powder.

But it is also the name of the company that makes Hi-Score 700-X shotgun/pistol powder.

rc

Johnny Lightning
October 11, 2010, 07:18 PM
I made one change & seated the bullets to 1.135 instead of 1.10. Im gonna go to the range tomorrow and see how it goes!

bds
October 12, 2010, 09:23 AM
W231 is the gold standard among .45ACP loaders and HP 38 is very close in load data, maybe .2gr less by some accounts.
Older reloading manuals and load data will show slight difference between W231 and HP38 but it is currently the same exact powder and Hodgdon website's (Hodgdon is licensed to sell Winchester powders) load data for W231/HP38 is showing the same load data.

As for plated bullets, think of cheap jewelry. A whisper thin coating over the lead that keeps lead out of the barrel. It works well but needs lower pressures to prevent damaging the bullet. Again, that used to be the case for "some" thinly plated bullets of the years past, but most commercial plated bullet manufacturers have increased the quality of the plating so you won't have the plating separating from the lead alloy core issue anymore, even at higher jacketed load data. For me, I check the diameter of the plated bullets to see if they are same as jacketed bullet diameter. Rainier tends to be the same diameter as jacketed bullets as Berry's and PowerBond tends to be halfway between lead and jacketed bullet diameter. I usually use lead load data because of the bullet diameter size, but have pushed all of three mentioned plated bullets to jacketed load data without plating failing.

Skylerbone
October 12, 2010, 11:39 AM
My only response is that some people walk a tightrope and never fall off. I lack the requisite pressure testing equipment to play with so I choose what is safe and what works. For me that means relying on published data, a chronograph and my target when choosing a load.

I cannot guess as to composition on every bullet, every manufacturer has proprietary alloys for both plating and lead. Just for fun I contacted Berry's Manufacturing and asked how thick their plating is. I was told .003"-.004" (3-4 thousandths) and to never exceed 1200 fps.

1 (800) 269-7373

sourdough44
October 12, 2010, 08:54 PM
I've used that bullet with 4.2 grns of TG. They cycled great & the chrony showed them right where they should be. It may of been 1087fps ave. I think.

mboylan
October 12, 2010, 09:23 PM
Berry's are plated bullets. You really have to go half way between the FMJ and lead load for your powder charges. The FMJ will be too much.

FuriousGeorge
October 12, 2010, 10:05 PM
For my Beretta 92FS:

Bullet: Berry's Plated 115gr RN
Powder: Bullseye 4.4gr
OAL: 1.140-1.145

FPS using a Chrony:
1206
1149
1210
1171
1141
1164
1131
1161
1166
1144
Avg = 1164.3
Std Dev = 26.21301627

Johnny Lightning
October 13, 2010, 08:24 PM
Ok went to the range today and shot the loads I made yesterday along w/ a box of cheap winchester loads I got from wally world. I first shot the winchester loads out of my glock 34 and didn't have any problems w/ cycling and fairly accurate. I then shot the reloads i made and had one failure out of 17rnds. Better but not good enough. I still have some Berry's plated 115 bullets and some 700-x and hp-38 powder...anybody out there that uses that combo of supplies want to share a load that works really well in their pistol?

bds
October 13, 2010, 10:23 PM
I still have some Berry's plated 115 bullets and some 700-x and hp-38 powder...anybody out there that uses that combo of supplies want to share a load that works really well in their pistol?
I don't load 115 gr in plated bullet but use 4.8-4.9 gr for Winchester 115 gr FMJ (.355") at 1.125" OAL. Berry's bullets are sized to .3555" so I would use the lead load data to be on the safe side. Try 4.5-4.8 gr at 1.125" OAL.

Here's the load data from Hodgdon's website:
115 gr. LRN W231/HP-38 .356" OAL 1.100" Start 4.3 gr (1079 fps) - Max 4.8 gr (1135 fps)

115 gr. SPR GDHP W231/HP-38 .355" OAL 1.125" Start 4.7 gr (1075 fps) - Max 5.1 gr (1167 fps)

FYI, you'll probably find that 124/125 gr plated bullets will cycle the stiffer recoil spring Glocks better than 115 gr and use less powder (around 4.3 gr of HP38).

Skylerbone
October 14, 2010, 12:23 AM
J.L., could you let us know what gen. Glocks you have and what brand dies you're using? It would also be helpful to know what failures you're having, feed, fire, extraction.

At this point I'm wondering about your loading methods, no offense but Glocks have very forgiving chambers that feed most anything. With your OAL there shouldn't be any problems unless you're belling out the case mouths and not crimping them back down again (you mentioned using a light crimp). Some dies like Lee's 3-die set seat and crimp in one step and are doubly difficult to set up.

Any light you can shed would help.

Johnny Lightning
October 14, 2010, 07:38 AM
The Glock 34 is a new gun I purchased it a couple of months ago (newest gen). The Glock 17 is a (i think) gen 3 used and is much more forgiving. Both guns run great w/ no failures at all w/ factory ammo. The problem I am having is extraction the shell getting stuck in the slide half way out (stovepipe) when using my reloads. I noticed when shooting the factory load the shells were flying alot further behind me while the loads I made were dropping on me or just next to me. I am using a lee turret press w/ a crimp die in the fourth spot. I have the seater dialed into seating the bullet to 1.135 currently and am using the crimp die at what I think is a light to med. crimp (I can JUST see where the crimp made its mark along the top of the shell). Any help is appreciated. I am starting to think either I need to get my hands on some titegroup or bullseye powder and try some of the loads that have been proven by other people. It doesnt seem like alot of people use the 700x or hp-38 for 9mm.

Yarddog
October 14, 2010, 08:48 AM
Up the load .02gr Until you get what you want without going over said limits ; )
Y/D

bds
October 14, 2010, 08:56 AM
The problem I am having is extraction the shell getting stuck in the slide half way out (stovepipe) when using my reloads. I noticed when shooting the factory load the shells were flying alot further behind me while the loads I made were dropping on me or just next to me.
Classic signs of not enough pressure to push the slide all the way back to reliably extract and cycle the slide. It's the stiff recoil spring. The problem is aggravated by the light bullet. With new Glocks, I often need to push the light 115 gr bullet to max load to properly cycle the new Glocks. Heavier 124/125 bullets will definitely help with reliably cycling the slide using mid-high load data.

I am starting to think either I need to get my hands on some titegroup or bullseye powder and try some of the loads that have been proven by other people. It doesnt seem like alot of people use the 700x or hp-38 for 9mm.
Not at all. You need more pressure. I have used even faster Bullseye, Promo and W231/HP38 and Greed Dot, which are all fast burning powders with great results in my Glocks (Gen3), even with stiffer recoil springed G27. Use more powder (up to max load data at the specified OAL - I use 1.125" for 115 gr) or use the heavier 124/125 plated bullet.

Walkalong
October 14, 2010, 09:03 AM
Your load is underpowered. No reason you cannot make fully functional loads with 700X or W-231 loading the Berrys 115 Gr RN at 1.130 to 1.135 O.A.L..

It takes more power to get the same velocity with plated bullets as it does with lead.

The Midway PDF I linked to shows up to 4.3 Grs 700X or 4.5 Grs W-231 with a Ranier 115 Gr plated bullet. No reason in the world not to use that with the Berrys.

If 4.3 Grs of 700X and that Berrys 115 Gr RN @ 1.130 won't function in your Glock I would be very surprised, but then I don't have a Glock either. Do you have any check weights to verify what your scale is showing?

Some dies like Lee's 3-die set seat and crimp in one step and are doubly difficult to set up. Nonsense. Any one who can't set up a seater/crimper in 9MM to do both things in the same step in doesn't need to be reloading. Very simple.

Skylerbone
October 14, 2010, 01:49 PM
Read the post Mr. Grumpy, I'd guess we are advising a relatively new reloader and often times things like a multi-function die are not apparent.

As for your suggestion, well the MidWay chart is off the chart according to every other chart and according to Berry's. If everything were as simple as add more powder there would be only one powder. A chronograph is helpful but will not give pressure readings. He started at .1gr above max for lead data which should have fired without issue were that the problem.

To JL, checking the scale is as simple as placing a single bullet on for a 115gr reading. If you have lighter bullets available you could check those as well.

KBintheSLC
October 14, 2010, 02:30 PM
My G34 does not like light loads. I had to install an 11 lb recoil spring to get it to eat starting loads with total reliability. I am referring to the starting load data for jacketed bullets while using plated bullets. If I used lead bullet data, I doubt it would even run.

Walkalong
October 14, 2010, 07:56 PM
Read the post Mr. Grumpy :D I like it.....
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And you are spreading plated bullet fear mongering IMHO. They are not evil and don't come apart unless abused.

Plenty of tested plated bullet data, which that Midway data is part of. They did not pull it out of a hogs butt, they used test equipment.

From the link I posted:

Plated Bullets

They are not lead, so don't use lead data. They are not jacketed, so don't use jacketed data.

They are somewhere in between. There is some good plated bullet data out there.

The velocity limits of 1200 FPS is a very good guideline. They can sometimes take a bit more, and sometimes a bit less.

I run some Ranier and Berrys bullets with full jacketed data. That can not be done for all bullets and calibers though. Lead data is too weak, and jacketed data can get you in trouble if you are not careful. The attached PDF's and the links to Accurates, Midways, and Vihtavuori's old data will be a great place to start.

I have only been able to tumble plated bullets at high velocities in revolvers. I have run them at over 1300 FPS in autos without issues and good accuracy.

Along with the links to verified plated bullet data.

bds
October 14, 2010, 10:49 PM
Help please! I have used factory ammo in my 17 and never had a malfunction until I used my reloads.
JL, the fact that factory ammo worked fine in cycling the slide is your answer.

I think simple load test of say 10 rounds at higher powder charges not exceeding lead max load at 1.125" OAL should give you a good idea. Most load data at high to near max will give you similar to factory ammo pressures.

If you ever shot CCI Blazer rounds with brass cases and thought the recoil was a bit much than say Winchester white box, it is because the bullets are plated with larger diameter than the FMJ WWB. The larger diameter bullet has tighter bullet-to-barrel seal and generates more pressure thus more recoil. If you are shooting 115 gr plated bullets, high-near max lead load data should bring you up to high range of jacketed load data.

rfwobbly
October 14, 2010, 11:01 PM
I have used the Berry 115gr RN plated with W231 at an OAL in the range of 1.150". I don't have the data in front of me, but it seems the loads in the Hornady book went up to 4.7gr or so. I was loading in the 4.3-4.4gr range and having a fine time with a CZ.

I'm with Walkalong. There's nothing wrong with these bullets, if they are 115gr. First thing is to weigh the bullets. Berry has been known to ship the wrong bullets before.

bds
October 14, 2010, 11:08 PM
Berry has been known to ship the wrong bullets before.
I would love to get 124 gr for the price of 115 gr any day! :D

Maybe they were short on 115 gr and decided to pack 124 instead?

Johnny Lightning
October 15, 2010, 08:09 PM
I just checked the oal of the winchester white box bullets and they are 1.155. I think my next load will be the same berrys plated 115 bullets, hp-38 at 4.5 grains w/ the oal set at 1.14. The last load I made was the same powder and bullet at 4.3 grains w/ the oal set at 1.135. Out of 17 rounds I had one failure to eject w/ the last load. Hoping the extra pressure will help the slide to eject the shells better.

bds
October 15, 2010, 09:00 PM
Johnny Lightning, since you are loading them at the longer OAL of 1.14", could you load some at 4.7 gr also, to compare. I usually need to push the load data to near max on new Glocks with the 115 gr 9mm at the shorter 1.125" OAL. It will just take a moment of your time to load the 4.7 gr rounds.

Let us know how things go.

Johnny Lightning
October 16, 2010, 07:56 AM
yea ill give that a try also bds.

Johnny Lightning
October 16, 2010, 08:03 AM
i went on to the Berry's sight for some insight on how to make reloads using their bullets and they said to use reload data between lead loads and fmj loads....that being said i should be fine at 4.5-4.7 grains w/ hp-38.

Walkalong
October 16, 2010, 08:18 AM
oops

ReloaderFred
October 16, 2010, 02:49 PM
I've loaded and shot thousands and thousands of Berry's 115 gr. RN plated bullets. Most have gone through Springfield XD's, but a couple thousand have gone through other pistols as well, including Glocks. With the proper powder charge and OAL they will function through any decent pistol. I use SR 7625 for most my loads, but I've also used Winchester 231 and Alliant Bullseye powders.

The bullet is a good one. In fact, my last order for them from Berry's was for 10,000. They work, period.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Johnny Lightning
October 17, 2010, 08:07 PM
I loaded up 17 rnds of berry's 115 plated w/ hp-38 at 4.6gr. and set the oal at 1.135. not one issue!

bds
October 17, 2010, 09:24 PM
Good to hear, I love happy endings. :D

MrOldLude
October 18, 2010, 09:49 AM
Grats.

You know, I can't help but wonder. Obviously, manufacturer instructions say to not exceed mid-range loads. Speer GDHP's are plated, and they run pretty hot. I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tested the practical velocity limits are for Berry's.

bds
October 18, 2010, 10:03 AM
I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tested the practical velocity limits are for Berry's.
I think that depends on the barrel they are shot out of. Conventional rifling with square lands/grooves may cut into the plating deeper than rounded hills/valley hexagonal rifling of Glock barrels.

Recovered plated bullets shot from Glock barrels even when pushed to max load data and beyond show very little marks on the side of the bullet, but bullets shot from land/groove barrels will have cut rifling marks. If plating separation does occur, I think it will start where the bullet was cut from the lands.

ReloaderFred
October 18, 2010, 11:46 AM
The plating on Speer Gold Dots is about twice the thickness of Berry's, Ranier, etc., so they can be driven faster.

As for testing the limits of Berry's plated bullets, yes I have. When the Berry's 124 grain FP bullet is driven over 1,450 fps in a 357 Sig, they will tumble badly. And if you're not careful, they will hit the shade support rod on the left side of your chronograph...........

Hope this helps.

Fred

Walkalong
October 18, 2010, 11:56 AM
What about the right side? :D

I have driven some Ranier 115 Gr bullets over 1200 FPS, and they handled a little over 1300 easily, and close to 1400 showed no ill effects. I haven't shot the Berrys 9MM bullets at that speed yet.

MrOldLude
October 18, 2010, 12:10 PM
The plating on Speer Gold Dots is about twice the thickness of Berry's, Ranier, etc., so they can be driven faster.

As for testing the limits of Berry's plated bullets, yes I have. When the Berry's 124 grain FP bullet is driven over 1,450 fps in a 357 Sig, they will tumble badly. And if you're not careful, they will hit the shade support rod on the left side of your chronograph...........

Hope this helps.

Fred
I did not know this. Thank you.

A quick search shows that GDHP's have about 0.035" of plating versus 0.080 to 0.010 for Berry's. Interesting. So yeah, you've found 1400 FPS is clearly too much. Was that the point that the round went unstable for you? Or were you seeing signs instability below that?

My understanding is for .45, you can drive the slugs at full power, as the speeds aren't enough to wreck the plating. For me, I was wondering if they could survive in the 1100 to 1200 range in a glock.

edit:

I guess I could have searched:
The reason we ask everyone to start with a mid-range jacketed or lead load data is:

Hard Cast Data - Plated bullets have the same pressure curve as typical linotype hard cast bullet. The same powder charge with a hardcast or plated vs. a jacketed will result in lower velocities for the jacketed. This is because the jacket is a work hardened surface that has a greater resistance in the barrel.

Jacketed Midrange Data - Is a good starting point to work up data for since most of the shooters already have data for jacketed.

We also make a statement to keep the bullets loaded to no more than the 1200FPS mark. I have run our 155gr .40 bullets in my Tanfoglio Limited 10mm at velocities beyond that with great results. We just have to draw a line in the sand since people seem to push the drawn limits.

We have constantly improved our bullet profiles and have added plating as we have gone along over the past 8 or so years. I am hoping to finish testing in our tunnel to see if we can publish a greater fps with our current generation of bullets. As it is there are only a handful of commercially available calibers that would push any pistol bullet beyond 1300fps, and those are long barreled hunting pistols that would not use a plated bullet anyway.
So technically, I could also probably go full loads for 115 gr 9mm if I so desired. For whatever it's worth.

ReloaderFred
October 18, 2010, 02:12 PM
The 1,450 fps load was with Power Pistol powder in the 357 Sig. It's a full power load, and the plating/soft lead core couldn't stand up to the velocity, which I pretty much knew it wouldn't before I loaded it. It was purely an experiment on my part to see what the limits of the 9mm bullet is, and I found it. I run my normal Berry's 124 gr. FP plated bullets at just over 1,300 fps in the 357 Sig (Springfield XD and Witness with conversion barrel) with no problems whatsoever.

In 9x19 you can just load them up and not worry about it with both the 115 gr. Berry's, and the 124 gr. Berry's bullets. In .45 acp, my favorite bullet is the Berry's 185 gr. Hollow Base Round Nose (HBRN). I load them with a healthy dose of Ramshot True Blue (from Ramshot's data). They work in all my .45's and in .45 acp there is no way you're going to exceed the limits for the plated bullet.

Your quote is by Jay Phillips, who did the load development for the 9x25 Dillon round when he worked for Dillon. He was kind enough to send me all his notes on the work he did, plus some work by others. He's a very knowledgeable individual and I was glad to see him back at Berry's Mfg. I look forward to talking to him again at the upcoming SHOT Show in January.

Hope this helps.

Fred

Berry's MFG
October 19, 2010, 02:18 PM
Good to hear from you! Sometimes I just sit back and read instead of chiming in. That 1200 fps mark is a general rule on the pistol calibers. Occasionally we make a run of prototype bullets, some times we make them for a special run to fulfill a contract with an OEM. I might have some proto's in the 124gr RN hollow base with a thicker plate that should take care of the issues you guys are seeing in trying to punish our standard bullets. You got that 9x25 built yet?

ReloaderFred
October 19, 2010, 03:10 PM
Hi Jay,

Yes, I built the 9x25 on a Witness 10mm slide. I used a .38 Super barrel and rechambered it myself. The AA-7 loads proved to be the best in the 4.5" barrel.

When I drove the 124 gr. FP plated bullet to 1,450 fps in the 357 Sig, I knew it was way beyond the limits for the bullet, but I just had to prove it to myself.

Bring some of the prototypes of the 124 gr. HB bullet to the SHOT Show so I can give them a try. I'll be placing an order with you then, anyway.

See you there,
Fred

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