Tula Ammo now sold at Wal-Mart


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Erik M
October 10, 2010, 09:37 PM
This is being discussed at some other enthusiast sites, I searched and did not see that it was mentioned here yet.

In sporting goods this evening I noticed multiple calibers of "TulAmmo". 4.97 for 20 rounds of .223 sold me, that even beats pawn shop prices for wolf ammo around these parts by half price. I normally do not shoot steel cased ammo but I figured for that price I could put back a couple hundred rounds for hard times. I know there are online retailers that could match that price but there no $15 shipping fee involved when you buy local. Steel case, non-lacquered, boxer primed, and claims to be non-corrosive.

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Carter
October 10, 2010, 11:21 PM
I bought some Tula 9mm yesterday. The first round in my handgun didn't fire. Primer was struck properly, but it didn't go bang. The rest of them worked just fine though. Accuracy was a little to be desired compared to my federal, but to be expected.

The .223 prices are tempting though. That would end up cheaper than my silver bear I have to order, plus no pesky zinc in the chamber. Too bad there is a ten box limit at my walmart.

Vicious-Peanut
October 10, 2010, 11:30 PM
I wanted to post this for our southern members, Academy is selling brass cased .223 for $5.99 right now.


$4.97 is nice, is Tula the same as Wolf?

nevermas
October 11, 2010, 03:28 AM
I picked up some a few days ago, ran all of them through, no problems at all

Wolf ammo doesn't come from one place, it is more of a conglomeration of ammo productions spread throughout eastern europe. This is why you get such differences in quality, ie some people swear by it, some people never touch it.

WeedWacker
October 11, 2010, 04:44 AM
Might there be a chance they will eventually stock 5.45x39?

Adam5
October 11, 2010, 12:08 PM
I almost bought some in 9mm over the weekend, but decided to spend the dollar a box to get Federal instead.

Hanzo581
October 11, 2010, 07:03 PM
Decided to pick up a box of 9mm and 45 Auto from Walmart to give it a try, I'm interested to see how it runs. It is a dollar a box cheaper for 9mm and two dollars a box cheaper in 45 over the Wally Federal I have been shooting.

wally
October 11, 2010, 07:40 PM
Is Tula the same as Wolf?

Appears to be the same except for the box (although the packing is the same), but what I got from Cheaper Than Dirt ($3.59/20) lacked the red sealant on the case necks and primers. This could be a net improvement, as lots of people complain about the sealant "building up in the chamber" although I've had no such issues.

The boxes have a stamp indicating date of manufacture as 07-09. Good to see prices on this stuff drop below 2X what it was four or five years ago.

Centaur 1
October 11, 2010, 11:20 PM
Tula is the only ammo that my LCP doesn't like. The slide won't close completely and I have to bump it forward every time.

Hanzo581
October 11, 2010, 11:46 PM
I just started reading reviews on another site about TulAmmo, I sure hope I don't get a squib, having a bullet stuck in my barrel does not sound like a fun time.

Full Metal Jacket
October 12, 2010, 06:38 AM
I decided to spend the dollar a box to get Federal instead.

this.

Flash!
October 12, 2010, 03:13 PM
My local Wally world raised the price of Federal 9mm from 9.47 to 10.47..... and now they sell the Tula 9mm for 9.47......

JoeMal
October 12, 2010, 03:15 PM
I might give the 9mm a shot in my Glock...

hometheaterman
October 12, 2010, 04:10 PM
Yep, I saw the price increase on the Federal at my Walmart too, and see they now have this stuff. However, I'd rather pay the extra $1 and have the brass cases in case I ever want to reload them, or want to sell them to someone else to reload.

joepav
October 12, 2010, 06:11 PM
I will be shooting the .223 in my saiga. I would by .38 spec. if they had it or 357. But I don't like shooting steel in my autos.

P.S.
Isn't it Tul Ammo?

briney11
October 12, 2010, 06:21 PM
I went to wally today and got 2 boxes of 7.62x.39 for 4.97 a box minus my %10discount because my wife works there.:evil: I will be going back for more very soon :D

ArtP
October 13, 2010, 07:44 PM
http://www.wisconsincartridge.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=28&idproduct=18

USA made, factory made, brass, clean reloads at just slightly more than Russian steel, no dirty powders either.

You'll also wind up with brass to sell or trade.

I used to buy 45 ACP from these guys before I started reloading myself and found it every bit as good as name brand, factory new ammo. Really the only difference is the cases have been once fired and resized.

Yeah, there's shipping, but no tax.

Kwanger
October 13, 2010, 08:05 PM
I will be shooting the .223 in my saiga. I would by .38 spec. if they had it or 357. But I don't like shooting steel in my autos.

P.S.
Isn't it Tul Ammo?
No....although the logo might look like that, 'Tula' is the city where the ammo plant is in Russia.

Erik M
October 13, 2010, 10:25 PM
P.S.
Isn't it Tul Ammo?

Yes, the red and black boxes at walmart are sold under the name Tul Ammo. Like what was previously stated though, this is a referance to the Tula ammo plant in russia.

pro2
October 13, 2010, 10:34 PM
It appears that quality boxer primed 5.56 (.223) ammo is relatively inexpensive. Why screw with the Russian crap?

Sky
October 13, 2010, 11:04 PM
Posts: 571 A manufactures comment about steal case Russian ammo:


There are some differences in chambers in various ARs. The predator and Varminter Bushmasters do not like Tula or Silverbear. Usually just failure to feed.

I like Silverbear and shoot it in my other ARs providing they are "CHROME LINED" which came about do to a conversation with Bushmaster.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=548179

These two Bushmasters will shoot any other "brass" ammo I have tried without problems.

If I had to bet the problems arise do to different expansion characteristics between the two causing the carrier to either short stroke or ? Either way no worky.

I have 4 other ARs that do not mine anything I feed them but they do not have match barrels and chambers.

My type of shooting I will never wear any of my guns out before I go to the great tree stand in the sky; however I have changed my thoughts on ammo/weapon selection just a bit do to info I have collected these last couple of weeks.

Just got off the phone with Del-ton. Our discussion centered on steal cased ammo. Their opinion was don't use it especially in a non-chromed lined barrel. That is two manufactures who have said the same thing.

Also spoke about AR parts:

All your manufactures get their parts from just a few places. I tried to find out the supplier (s) but that is propriety info.

Several Ar manufactures were mentioned which I do not wish to repeat due to I might get them wrong and start a verbal war on mine is bigger better than yours. Just info and adds to my understanding of why there was such a back log last year and people had long wait periods; all were waiting on parts from a couple of suppliers. Something I do like about Del-Ton is their guarantee and each rifle is assembled as per an individual order.

I only have one Del-Ton but have always considered it one of my first choices (like my CMMGs and the little short Bushmaster) for a goto weapon due to it's reliability for me. Probably a clouded evaluation due to it being the first Ar I purchased after my guns were stolen a few years back.

Aimsurplus has some great deals on brass cased ammo.

FatPants
October 13, 2010, 11:21 PM
I bought 4 boxes of the 9mm yesterday. Shot a box last night, seemed fine. No more or less accurate than the federal I usually shoot. Didn't seem extremely dirty either. It did seem to have a bit more muzzle flash than the federal from my Glock 17, and being that I shoot a night time IDPA match once a week, ill probably keep shooting the federal.

Texas Gun Person
October 14, 2010, 12:01 AM
I picked up 4 boxes of it in 9mm and two in .40



I had one shell that failed to eject from my SR9. But it was an easy fix, and other than that one everything went smooth.

597newbie
October 18, 2010, 09:14 PM
this is great info. my firearms and my budget love cheap, steel cased ammo.

I love Wal Mart even more. Hope this ammo is in my area of TX

Adam5
October 20, 2010, 03:04 AM
I picked up 100 rounds of Tul in 9mm tonight. Tomorrow I'll see how it runs through my CZ SP-01 Phantom and report back.

bigfatdave
October 20, 2010, 09:21 PM
I grabbed .45acp, 9x19, and 7.62x39 ... it looks just like Wolf as far as I can tell, but competition is good on the ammo shelf.

We'll see how it runs, if nothing else steel case that ignites reliably is good enough for the zombie box.

Adam5
October 20, 2010, 10:57 PM
I ran 100 rounds of the Tul 9mm through my CZ SP-01 Phantom this afternoon. It ate it up like a fat kid eating a bag of Gummi Bears.

It ran 100% and felt fairly hot.

lemosley01
October 20, 2010, 11:03 PM
Can someone explain the knock on steel-cased vs. brass ammo? Is it overall harder on the firing pin since steel is harder than brass?

bigfatdave
October 20, 2010, 11:15 PM
Primers aren't the difference (in hardness, at least). Most steel-case ammo has a different type of primer, and sometimes it will be a "hard military style" primer, which is a whole separate issue having to do with hammer force and free-float firing pins ... but I doubt it will damage most centerfire guns' firing pins.

The steel is a very mild steel, but it will not expand and seal in the chamber the way brass does. It is also a bit harder on extractor claws in semiautomatics, although a robust design shouldn't be harmed by the very soft steel alloy used for shell casings.
Take a spent steel case and a spent brass case and put the pliers or vice-grips to them, the difference isn't that much as far as the strength at the extractor's grab point on the rim.

Some guns just don't like it, so test and check for reliability and wear, and if you're paranoid look up how much hassle a new extractor would be (in most cases, pretty easy and cheap).
It is often dirtier than comparable brass ammo, both due to the lack of seal (more crap in places other than down the barrel) and due to using cheaper powders that just make more crud.

And don't let some booger-eating-moron accuse steel-case ammo with steel-core or steel-jacket ammo, which can be harder on a backstop in some cases.

SSN Vet
October 20, 2010, 11:19 PM
Can someone explain the knock on steel-cased vs. brass ammo?

I'm not an expert, but I believe it is mostly a function of the "springy" properties of the two metals. Brass cases will expand to the chamber walls under the high pressure of combustion, but will flex back slightly when the pressure is relieved. While steel cases will also conform to the chamber under pressure, but will not spring back as well. This makes the brass cases extract more easilly. While steel cases are more prone to sticking and are harder on the extractor.

Also, brass has a higher resistance to corrosion. While steel corrodes very readilly. So many steel cases have a lacquer coating on them to protect them from corrosion. This coating can make the case sticky in a hot chamber.

7.62x39 cases have a significant taper on them, and with just a few thousandths of an inch of movement, will be free of the tapered wall chamber. 5.56/223Rem is pretty much a straight walled cartridge and must slide out of the straight walled chamber. Hence AKs eat steel cased ammo. well and ARs not so well.

That's my understanding. Anyone knowing better, please correct me.

THE DARK KNIGHT
October 20, 2010, 11:22 PM
redacted

Erik M
October 20, 2010, 11:28 PM
Fed 20 rounds through a p-mag into my doublestar m4gery, no hiccups. Bro's Mini14 liked it as well. Traded in some more of my unwanted wedding gifts for a Walmart gift card and brought hom another couple hundred rounds to keep the gun safe weighted down.

lemosley01
October 20, 2010, 11:50 PM
Thanks for the explanation.

I may try this in my Beretta 96 and see how it likes it.

The .45 prices were VERY attractive (coming in at less than the Federal .40 50-count costs). Almost made me buy a Beretta Cougar .45

sig228
October 21, 2010, 01:20 AM
Well, it was nice to see .380 back in stock. I picked up a few boxes. We will see how it shoots.

maksim
October 21, 2010, 02:56 AM
Tula = Wolf.

Big Bill
October 21, 2010, 03:33 AM
Buying Tula ammo from Chinamart is like the Greek Spartans buying swords from the Persians.

Ignition Override
October 21, 2010, 04:39 AM
The guys at "SKSboards" have at least two threads about the Tula, under "Ammunition". Some of this shipment might be to compensate for an explosion at a Tula plant recently.

If the price for Russian petroleum goes up much higher in the future (as in '06-'07), maybe their plants will continue to export more of this ammo at similar prices to the US?

But prices for copper, steel, etc and the dollar's so-called "value" might hurt us by then, not only increased US demand in a better economy.

Onmilo
October 21, 2010, 10:30 AM
Sure do sell a lot of commie and ex commie stuff at Wally World don't they??!!,,,

LubeckTech
October 21, 2010, 10:42 AM
Does this seem to be a nationwide trend? This thread is the first I have heard of this and have not had a chance to check my local stores all though I now think I saw some Privi Partizan (great stuff and reloadable in 7.62x54) boxes at a local Walmart.

Erik M
October 22, 2010, 11:38 PM
The .223 prices are tempting though. That would end up cheaper than my silver bear I have to order, plus no pesky zinc in the chamber. Too bad there is a ten box limit at my walmart.
Ive been buying silver bear 62gr HPBT from CTD before I noticed this stuff at walmart.

Ive heard of the cases oxidizing but I have never heard of zinc cases causing any kind of buildup in the firing chamber?

Ignition Override
October 23, 2010, 05:50 AM
Bought four boxes of 7.62x39 today, for about $4.90 each + tax. They also have handgun ammo.
Is this a temporary trend for the Russian companies and govt. to raise quick cash, to help compensate for lost petroleum revenue, due to the recession?

Apparently there was an explosion (months ago) at the Tula plant, which hurt business for a while.

VinnAY
October 23, 2010, 01:33 PM
50rds of .45Auto is 12.47 at my wally-mart

Hanzo581
October 23, 2010, 01:56 PM
No fair, it is $14.97 at mine...

Patriotme
October 23, 2010, 02:10 PM
I have 3 AR's and have shot Tula in all of them without any problems. Almost all of what I shoot is Russian steel cased ammo. Most of it is Brown Bear and Silver Bear. I've never had any problems and I usually shoot about 500 rnds between cleanings.
I think that Tula is the least accurate of all the Russian brands. It's cheap and goes bang. Not every range trip is about trying to shoot Sub MOA groups from the bench.
I've only tried Tula in .223. I'd rather shoot Brown Bear. It seems to be the most accurate for me and it beats the rest of the Russian brands and Remington, PMC and even American Eagle. This is my experience. If you've had different results then so be it.
I've shot a few thousand rounds of 9mm Silver Bear through my Kimber and a Ruger P89. It's ok. I've never had an issue with it. The zinc cases seem to get some kind of oxidation after a couple of years of storage (top of closet). It still feeds ok and goes bang.

dmpickers
October 23, 2010, 10:38 PM
I bought 100 rounds of Tulammo 9mm from Walmart. I took it to the range today with my Springfield XD 9mm and had 4 FTE in 50 rounds. Also, after the last round of a magazine was fired, the slide did not lock back open. This happened 5 times is 50 rounds.

I stopped and went back to WWB, no problems. I gave someone who worked at the range the other box of Tulammo I had. The first person I asked didn't want it.

frankiestoys
October 23, 2010, 10:54 PM
I bought a 1000 rounds for my AK-74 shot up 200 they all ran fine

RemoteOps
October 24, 2010, 01:42 AM
I just dont see the deal at Wally World. They want $4.97 a box of 20 plus sales tax gives me $5.32 a box. That works out to $266.00 a case of 1000 rounds (which they NEVER have even close to that much) I order the MFS zinc plated stuff online at Weaponsworld for $225 + $15 S&H (no sales tax) and Im paying $239.95 per 1000 rounds delivered to my door. I save $26 over Walmart and I get as much as I want.

Hanzo581
November 27, 2010, 02:44 PM
Finally got a chance to run my Tula through my XD45 today. Out of a box of 50 I had to FTF. First two problems ever with my XD out of 1000+ rounds of various ammo WWB, Federal etc. I'll be passing on this junk and paying the extra buck or so a box for Federal.

I have a box of 9mm I was going to run through my SR9c but I am not even going to bother now, I'll just tuck it away.

JohnBiltz
November 27, 2010, 03:16 PM
I've shot 400 rounds of 9mm through my Glock and had 100% reliability so far. It seems fine for the range. It doesn't seem to be leaving any gunk from sealant and if anything is cleaner than WWB. I think everyone is going to have to try it for themselves and see if it works in their firearms.

wally
November 27, 2010, 03:59 PM
Can someone explain the knock on steel-cased vs. brass ammo?

After having shot tens of thousands of rounds of steel cased ammo (6-8 years ago it could be had for $80-120/1000 rounds) in a very large number of firearms, my conclusion is if the gun don't work with it I don't want the gun!

I can practically guarantee that the gun will be more accurate with other ammo, but if its not reliable with steel cased ammo, I'd never count on it if things got tough.

Hanzo581
November 27, 2010, 04:38 PM
So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.

gloucestergarand
November 27, 2010, 04:54 PM
Buyer beware with steel cased ammo...YMMV...my AR's "lifetime warranty" does not include use of steel cased ammo. Learned it the hard way with some wolf that sweated into the chamber once...for me, my AK gets the Russian food, I'll keep the AR with Federal. Just my opinion.

PTK
November 27, 2010, 05:29 PM
I wasn't able to get the Tulammo 9x19 functioning in a friend's MAC11/9 that eats anything. I mean, anything - WWB, Wolf, Brown Bear, HotShot, reloads, hollowpoints, etc. It wouldn't work.

LibShooter
November 27, 2010, 07:18 PM
At my Walmart today, Tula was the only .380 they had. It was $5 cheaper than the yellow tags on the empty shelves where the other brands should be. The counter guy says it works in his Bersa... so I'll give it a try.

He did say it was a mite messy.

Erik M
November 27, 2010, 07:31 PM
I assumed that they would only offer chamberings in .223 and 7.62x39, nice to see that they are expanding their products. I will have to give some 9x19 a try.

possum
November 27, 2010, 07:36 PM
just started using it, but i have over 500rds of it through my glock 19, and 200rds through the ar, with more to be used this coming week.

wally
November 27, 2010, 08:03 PM
So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.

I'd say there is something not right with your as XD, as mine is fine with steel cased ammo.

I've only had one gun so far that just will not run with steel cased ammo, my Kel-Tec P3AT, Kel-Tec was really helpful in sending me spare parts for free to try and resolve the issue. It has been fine with all the brass cased ammo I've tried. But my Ruger LCP is fine with steel cased ammo so I now carry it instead (I've had the P3AT long before the LCP was available, and lived with the issue until now) since is clearly more reliable with more ammo varieties meaning it has probably wider operating margins, I feel a lot better about carrying it (admittedly, its my last choice, but sometimes its all I can hide). Guns that are very small for their caliber are always running near the edge.

A couple of guns have needed a little chamber polishing (I use motorcycle chrome polish). One AR needed an extractor replacement -- the original with worked with brass cased ammo but not steel cased ammo. Comparison of its extractor with ones that worked clearly showed its hook was out of spec, replaced it, no more issues. I could have said "it just don't like this crap ammo" but I investigated the issue and now have a more reliable rifle.

You'll never win a match with steel cased ammo (unless the rules require everyone shoot it :) ). Not buying it because its not accurate enough for your needs is perfectly fine, but if your gun chokes on it, you are sticking your head in the sand about a problem with its operating margins. I prefer to fix the issue, no skin off my nose if you choose to blame the ammo and ignore the issue. OTOH if you choose accuracy over reliably that is fine, but then its foolish to be even trying steel cased ammo.

Camjr
November 27, 2010, 08:58 PM
I'll try the 7.62x39 in my AK, but I've been VERY pleased with the reliability (2500rds so far without one issue) and price of the Brown Bear HP. It would have to at least match the Brown Bear for me to switch just to drive a mile and grab some at Wal Mart...

FatPants
November 27, 2010, 09:50 PM
Just an update, 500ish rounds of this through my G17 now, and 200ish through my new G19 without a single issue. It is definitely not any dirtier than the Federal I usually shoot, and seems to be loaded hotter than the Federal, although I have not chrono'd this stuff.

possum
November 27, 2010, 10:49 PM
Just an update, 500ish rounds of this through my G17 now, and 200ish through my new G19 without a single issue. It is definitely not any dirtier than the Federal I usually shoot, and seems to be loaded hotter than the Federal, although I have not chrono'd this stuff.
thanks for posting.

So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

Pretty crazy logic there. But to each their own.
Honestly i do not know, i have over 18,500rds through my xd and surprisingly not a single round has been steel. I have been reloading for .40 for many years. I mainly shoot reloads, ultramax, and wwb. However your post has me wanting to try a box or 2 in my xd just to try it out. I don't think i would have any issue with it, it has ate everything.

I will say this, of all the xd models that have been made, the ones with the most issues have been the .45 models. (when they first came out), second only to the 9mm ported models.

conclusion is if the gun don't work with it I don't want the gun!
agreed.

J_McLeod
November 27, 2010, 11:03 PM
I've never had any trouble with Wolf in my XD9 or KT PF-9.

If the ammo doesn't always work, that makes it worth even more. Consider the training value of ammo that will probably fire. :)

bigfatdave
November 28, 2010, 12:30 AM
I've run at least 150 (probably more) Tula .45 rounds through my Citadel compact 1911, it eats the stuff like candy. (dirty, dirty candy)
I've run roughly 150 Tula 9x19 rounds through a Kel Tec sub2000 (takes Glock 9mm mags), no ammo-related trouble, some issues with cheapo non-factory mags but that was no surprise and the issues persisted with nicer ammo.
We've run at least 150 through MrsBFD's XD9sc, one problem, and the first time I've seen that gun malfunction ever ... further inspection revealed that primers don't work when shoved into the case sideways.

For the cost savings, I'll take one ammo failure in 450 rounds, and the remaining Tula I have doesn't have any obviously borked primers. The one that was screwed up was obvious with a close look, the primer was a half-moon rather than a full circle, not something I'm generally inspecting for.
Hell, the only way I have to make that XD malfunction is to load snap-caps or empty brass in the mag, anyone displeased with their Tula ammo can send it to me for disposal.

I haven't tried the 7.62x39 out yet, I mostly stock Wolf M.C. HP's in that, so it will be all I have to compare to. And I don't think MrsBFD's mini-14 would like steel-case, so I haven't even picked any of that up so far.

If the ammo doesn't always work, that makes it worth even more. Consider the training value of ammo that will probably fire. With some guns, that's true!

K-Rod
November 28, 2010, 01:36 AM
I saw how cheap it was so I bought a couple boxes to try in my M&P15. 40 tds not a problem. Ok, I went back & bought more. Still all went bang. I buy 4 boxes now everytime I go there. I've got a stock pile of about 2000 now!!

Food for thought, as a little test I bought a new 3x9 for my Savage .223 varmiter. I sighted in with the Tulammo in 55gr FMJ at 100yrds. Got it zero'd to a nice .50 cent piece group 5rds. With the scope zero'd at 100yrds still with Tulammo I switched to Remington 55gr PSP factory. Beliveve it or not, the scope was still dead on 5rd groups. Everybody knocks the Savage Edge. That's the rifle I'm shooting. Savage Edge in .223.

Since, I've shot 780rds betweenthe Savage & the M&P15 with NO jams or dead fires. Dirty, yes but maybe I'm the only one who thinks cleaning after a great day shooting is part of the fun. Nothing like spending the day putting tds down range & getting home, grab a beer & pull out the cleaning kit!!! I love the smell of gun oil inthe evening!!

brandon_mcg
November 28, 2010, 01:50 AM
never had any trouble with tula or wolf ammo. however, as i am contemplating handloading more and more i stopped buying the steel case ammo. and yes, it is a very dirty ammunition.

rtz
November 28, 2010, 01:54 AM
Tons of .380 and .45 Tula at the store.

Full Metal Jacket
November 28, 2010, 01:56 AM
So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?


correct.

Full Metal Jacket
November 28, 2010, 01:57 AM
This is being discussed at some other enthusiast sites, I searched and did not see that it was mentioned here yet.

tula is more steel cased garbage from russia. the only people that like it are the same ones that fire wolf through their guns :uhoh:

in fact, tulla is actually made in the same plant in russia where wolf is made. (google it)

spend an extra buck and buy quality ammo instead.

FatPants
November 28, 2010, 02:20 AM
tula is more steel cased garbage from russia. the only people that like it are the same ones that fire wolf through their guns

in fact, tulla is actually made in the same plant in russia where wolf is made. (google it)

spend an extra buck and buy quality ammo instead.

You are entitled to your opinion, but when it is every bit as reliable, accurate, and not any dirtier than the more expensive stuff, why would I pay more?

I shoot IDPA 2 days a week, so cheap ammo is always welcome. If I only shot monthly, or quarterly, I would probably spend the extra $1 per box, but in my situation, it makes sense to save the money.

DasFriek
November 28, 2010, 02:20 AM
Id shoot gravel threw my gun if it will fire reliably.
I put 50 rounds of Tula 230gr .45 with a few other crap ammo threw my new RIA CS 3.5" Officers 1911 to try and make it fail and it ate everything. I also shot 50 Blazer aluminum and 50 PMC brass.
Even digested a mag full of Winchester Ranger 230gr HP's that had a decent amount of bullet setback that my full sized 1911 likes to do to ammo if its cycled more than twice.
If the gun can eat all that crap and not choke im pleased.

I also found the Tula .45 to seem underpowered, It cycled fine but i could definitely tell it didn't have the recoil the other loads had.

Full Metal Jacket
November 28, 2010, 03:20 AM
You are entitled to your opinion, but when it is every bit as reliable, accurate, and not any dirtier than the more expensive stuff, why would I pay more?

it's all yours ;)

PTK
November 28, 2010, 05:19 PM
With the fact that I found so many of the rounds had dud primers, I just don't trust the stuff for anything but screwing around at the range. If an open-bolt SMG won't fire it, no gun will. The primers were dead.

bigfatdave
November 28, 2010, 08:17 PM
PTK, who is claiming it is for anything other than screwing about at the range?

DasFriek
November 29, 2010, 12:23 AM
Id love to meet the guy who carries Tula in a gun for SD/HD, I don't know what id do or say but rest assured it would be funny.

If a gun cant shoot steel cases without damage id be looking into why the gun is weak in that area.
Also i wont be buying much more Tula until i find an indoor range that allows the use of steel cases, The one i normally uses wont allow it. Im looking for a new range tho.

If i do experience a Squib i will NOT buy it anymore, But dud primers don't scare me.
IMO its cheap and available and it makes the guys who reload stop following me around like im a broken ATM spitting out dollars.

Sebastian the Ibis
November 29, 2010, 12:37 AM
So it's not the ammo, it's my XD that is unreliable?

It is an Eastern European design, I'm sure they thought about commie steel cased ammo when they designed it.

Hanzo581
November 29, 2010, 12:43 AM
So to be clear, my XD, which up until the Tula ammo has functioned flawlessly with any ammo I threw at it, is now defective because it will not run one specific type of cheap ammo. So by that logic, it is impossible that the ammo could be to blame, so each round produced in the facility that makes Tula is 100% perfect, and every firearm that chokes while using it is to blame.

You guys sure have a lot of faith in the QC department of a Russian ammo plant.

devildog4329
November 29, 2010, 01:35 AM
I have ran a box of 9mm through my glock 19 and a box of 380 through my Diamondback. So far I have had one round of 380 misfire. I had a firm firing pin strike so i just chalked it up to one bad round. One other thing i noticed was that the Tula ammo was not as hot as WWB 9mm and Aguila 380. that I had at the range. The recoil in my DB was almost non existant comapared to the Aguila 380.

I will continue to run this when i need some cheap ammo for the range.

J_McLeod
November 29, 2010, 02:34 AM
Id love to meet the guy who carries Tula in a gun for SD/HD, I don't know what id do or say but rest assured it would be funny.

If a gun cant shoot steel cases without damage id be looking into why the gun is weak in that area.
Also i wont be buying much more Tula until i find an indoor range that allows the use of steel cases, The one i normally uses wont allow it. Im looking for a new range tho.

If i do experience a Squib i will NOT buy it anymore, But dud primers don't scare me.
IMO its cheap and available and it makes the guys who reload stop following me around like im a broken ATM spitting out dollars.
If Tula made decent hollowpoints that were available in WA state and comparable to a Hydra Shok or PDX I wouldn't mind carrying it in my XD for SD/HD.

If the SHTF all my rifle (WASR and KT SU-16) mags are full of Russian ammo.

DasFriek
November 29, 2010, 03:30 AM
If Tula made decent hollowpoints that were available in WA state and comparable to a Hydra Shok or PDX I wouldn't mind carrying it in my XD for SD/HD.

If the SHTF all my rifle (WASR and KT SU-16) mags are full of Russian ammo.

For one they will not be making HP's anytime soon im pretty sure, But if they did i would NOT carry it in my CCW unless it was proven to be one of the most reliable rounds in feeding,ignition,accuracy,penetration and expansion.

If SHTF id shoot anything i could get my hands on also, But if i starting finding primer duds id surely use it as a last resort.

I have no reason not to shoot the ammo they have out now, Its hard to guess what will happen in the future. But the ammo is a practice range ammo and thats all i see it for at this point.
And since my local indoor range doesn't allow steel cases i wont be stocking up on it until spring again.

Motodeficient
November 29, 2010, 09:52 AM
Ran some of the 9mm through my XD. No problems (not that I expected any). Unfortunately my local walmart does not sell Federal in 9mm. They have it in every other handgun caliber. Strange. So the Tula is $4 cheaper than the WWB.

TNT in Round Rock
December 9, 2010, 09:29 PM
saw some today in .380 and they had quite a bit .. the Winchester .380 only had one 100 rd box. Hesitated on the Tula until I could read up on it, but I may have to try it for practice since it's a little cheaper.

Erik M
December 9, 2010, 09:49 PM
Bought a few more boxes of .223 for stocking stuffers :D

mongo4567
December 9, 2010, 10:05 PM
I've shot 400 or so rounds of the 9mm, I really don't like it much. I've had several failures to fully eject on a Beretta 92, like it is a little under-powered. This gun runs 100% on anything else. I can't even shoot it in my Arg Hi-Power, it fails to fire about 50% of the time....like it has a very hard primer. Wolf, Monarch or WWB do fine in the same pistol. I won't be buying any more.

Patriotme
December 9, 2010, 11:24 PM
I've shot about 200 rnds of .223 through my AR's. It all went bang and my guns functioned fine with it. I will say that the accuracy was clearly worse than that of Wolf, Brown Bear or Silver Bear. I'll just go ahead and say that it was the least accurate stuff I've ever shot out of my AR's.

Kwanger
December 10, 2010, 10:57 AM
I've shot about 200 rnds of .223 through my AR's. It all went bang and my guns functioned fine with it. I will say that the accuracy was clearly worse than that of Wolf, Brown Bear or Silver Bear. I'll just go ahead and say that it was the least accurate stuff I've ever shot out of my AR's.
I agree - the Tula works, but accuracy is ropey. You can even feel the variances in loading sometimes. For what it is, the Brown Bear is at least very consistent stuff and is the same price as Tula, I'll be sticking with that.

Wolf though, = Tula. Same stuff, made by the same factory chain. I think if you've had a box of Wolf that seemed better than Tula, it is more to do with overall quality control in individual batches than it is to do with brand name.

bang_bang
December 10, 2010, 11:03 AM
My friend and I have bought .223, 7.62x39, 40, and 9mm from Wal-Mart locally.

He has fired several boxes through his S&W MP15 with no issues. Decent accuracy.

We also put probably 20 or so rounds of 40 and 9mm through his Glock 27 with the 9mm conversion barrel. Again, decent accuracy. The 9mm, as he said, were "Hotter than Hell!!" due to their 115gr bullet weight.

I have bought a few boxes of 7.62x39 just to stock up on, as well as a few boxes of .223. $5 or $10 here and there when I run into Wal-Mart will eventually add up. Might as well get it while it's here and still cheap!! I have no concerns about shooting this in my SKS.

Patriotme
December 10, 2010, 11:11 AM
I agree - the Tula works, but accuracy is ropey. You can even feel the variances in loading sometimes. For what it is, the Brown Bear is at least very consistent stuff and is the same price as Tula, I'll be sticking with that.

Wolf though, = Tula. Same stuff, made by the same factory chain. I think if you've had a box of Wolf that seemed better than Tula, it is more to do with overall quality control in individual batches than it is to do with brand name.
I've had a lot of luck with 55gr Brown Bear. It actually shoots better than a lot of American brands such as Remington and American Eagle. This has been my experience. I'm sure some are screaming "Heresy" right now. Even my wife and daughter can see a noticable difference when using 55gr Brown Bear at the bench.
I agree that Wolf is very inconsistent. There was a Tula salesman at a local gunshow that claimed that Wolf was run at several different factories in Russia and that's why it's inconsistent. He claimed that Tula came from one factory and the quality control is better. I took this with a grain of salt but I have noticed that the Wolf and Tula salesmen do not want to be associated with the other's product line. Tula is the cheapest .223 that I've seen. I'll pick up a box every now and then at a gun show or online. I take a lot of new shooters to the pistol range and at the end of the day I'll walk them over to the rifle range and let them shoot a mag through an AR. This lets them know that AR's are not machineguns despite how they're shown on CNN and MSNBC. I've even had hunters be suprised that my M&P15 isn't really a machinegun. It's more about education than serious range time and a box of Tula is worth it.

Kwanger
December 10, 2010, 11:29 AM
There was a Tula salesman at a local gunshow that claimed that Wolf was run at several different factories in Russia and that's why it's inconsistent. He claimed that Tula came from one factory and the quality control is better. I took this with a grain of salt but I have noticed that the Wolf and Tula salesmen do not want to be associated with the other's product line.

Absolutely.....as with most things in our modern world, it has become a huge marketing game. Simple fact of the matter is that today, most base parts for just about anything mass produced (not just weapons related), come from surprisingly few sources, when you really distill it down. It is then up to marketing departments to put spin on the products....hence the disassociation you have experienced. Such is the way of the globalized world.

Tula ammo (and its marketed spin equivalents) actually is produced across several plants, depending on caliber, etc; as far as I understand it, most of the steel cased 223 comes from either the Tula or Ulyanovsk plants. I should imagine that individual batch lots come from either one or the other....however, I should also imagine that this can be flip-flopped depending on output and demand from the "brands".

The Bear stuff (and Monarch, and probably some more brand names, somewhere) comes from the Barnaul family of plants.

InkEd
December 10, 2010, 11:59 AM
I commented earlier on this ammo. It's still okay BUT after a slightly longer range session and I will agree that it is some of the dirtiest ammo ever.

When I field stripped my 1911 (after only 150rds) it looked filthier than my GSG-5 after a BRICK of Thunderbolt (which is considered dirty even for .22 ammo.)

Most of my TulAmmo was shot from 9mm pistols. It seems to be loaded inconsistantly. Also, there was alot of light blue muzzle flash when used in my CW9. It didn't feel like "hot" ammo, it jut had alot of flash. Go figure?

I had no misfires or anything but in the future given a choice I will probably spend the extra money for Federal or Blazer, if it's only a dollar more.

Lastly, I can't give an accurate report for accuracy because I was very out of practice and just not shooting well that day.

herkyguy
December 12, 2010, 04:46 PM
I just shot 100 rounds of Tulammo in 9mm out of my XD SC yesterday. It was $9.50 or so per box at walmart and thought I'd give it a go. Out of 100 rounds, I had two malfunctions. I should also say that Federal FMJ has never given me any trouble of that XD, although it is somewhat new and I haven't fed a ton through it yet, but for the sake of the argument, I'll assume my XD is not the problem.

1st malfunction was a failure to load. After firing a round, I pulled the trigger again and found that the striker was not 'cocked.' nor was the slide locked back. I pulled the slide, saw that another round was indeed still in the magazine, racked it and fired it off. Perhaps this was due to insufficient powder??

2nd malfunction was a failure to feed. After a shot, the slide was locked partially to the rear. looking down, there was a round partilally seated in the chamber with about half the shell protruding out. Below that was a second round partially fed out of the magazine and this had locked the slide. I cleared it and continued to fire.

this stuff is not bad for practice, but certainly not reliable enough for me to use it in any other scenario. Perhaps the steel case (which felt overly rough) is to blame for the second. either way, it has its problems.

bigfatdave
December 12, 2010, 07:11 PM
1st ... Perhaps this was due to insufficient powder??Or grunge in the mag preventing the follower/rounds from popping up fast enough, check in there for filth.

2nd
Maybe an out-of specification round? Too fat, not circular, or a burr on the case perhaps?

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