Am I missing something on case lube?


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kutter
October 10, 2010, 11:18 PM
I admit, compared to most of you I am a veritable youngster at this, but I am still puzzled by something. Why is it everyone considers case lube to be such a pain? Especially for pistol rounds. The way people talk about it you would think it added hours to the process, not 30 seconds. Ok, I admit, I use One Shot and just dump all of them into a plastic container and spray them for a few seconds while shaking them around. I even do it for .40 and I have carbide dies for that. So what I am missing, what is the big deal about case lube?

Oh, as a caveat, I do not lube my .308 that way, they go on a loading block, but .223 goes in the tupperware and I have never had a problem with it either.

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medalguy
October 11, 2010, 12:07 AM
Contrary to what a lot of guys post, I too don't have a problem with lube. I use Imperial and don't find it to be a problem. I just toss the rounds in a tumbler for 15 minutes or so after loading and they come out bright and clean.

788Ham
October 11, 2010, 12:19 AM
It isn't a big deal kutter, its just one of the first steps in reloading. Its a messy step for some, others, like the gentleman that posted previously, its gotta be done in order to reload. When the cases are deprimed, resized, then throw 'em into a tumbler and 20/45 minutes later, they're ready to go, no biggy!

Sport45
October 11, 2010, 12:41 AM
I don't mind lubing my rifle cases. As mentioned, a run through the tumbler takes it off. I clean it off the empty brass after sizing and trimming so I have bulk brass ready to go. The air compressor does a great job of ejecting any media stuck in flash holes. I got tired of using a punch or straightened paperclip to pick the stuff out.

jamesicus
October 11, 2010, 12:49 AM
Not an inconvenience for me. I only shoot reduced loads in my bolt rifles these days -- I neck size and only use lube (Lee) on the inside of the neck (I do not remove the lube residue).

James

Randy1911
October 11, 2010, 01:10 AM
Unlike pistol cases that use carbide dies that don't require lube, it is just a extra messy step that is a pain to mess with. I mean, roll on a lube pad and lube the inside of the neck. then throw them in the tumbler for a while in which you always get media in the flash hole. It is a extra step that is a pain. It just slowss down the whole process. After all, you also have to trim the case.

ArchAngelCD
October 11, 2010, 01:50 AM
One Shot is not the lube that most people complain about considering there's no reason to wipe that lube off. As for rifle rounds, I use Imperial Sizing Wax and wipe it off with a rag. Again, there's no mess there but many of the other lubes out there are a total pain to work with.

68wj
October 11, 2010, 01:44 PM
It's like shaving. Fun at first, then it becomes routine, then there are those days you would rather skip it.:rolleyes: Fortunately, case lube has come a long way since the greased pad and sticky ammunition. A solution of Lee lube and rubbing alcohol works very well for me and is easy enough.

Walkalong
October 11, 2010, 02:08 PM
It is just an extra step that is nice to avoid when possible.

rcmodel
October 11, 2010, 02:15 PM
Oh, as a caveat, I do not lube my .308 that way, they go on a loading block,I'd stop doing the .308 that way too.

A loading block covers up one end of the case or the other, so one end isn't going to get lubed properly.

I think that is the cause of a lot of folks problems with spray lube.
A rifle case is hardest to size on the back end web area.
Right where standing mouth up in a loading block prevents any lube getting on it where it needs it the most.

rc

USSR
October 11, 2010, 02:22 PM
One Shot is fine for straight-walled pistol cases, but fails miserably with bottle-necked rifle cases. Imperial Sizing Die Wax goes on and wipes off easily, and is the best lube I've found for rifle cases.

Don

wombat13
October 11, 2010, 02:34 PM
One Shot is fine for straight-walled pistol cases, but fails miserably with bottle-necked rifle cases. Imperial Sizing Die Wax goes on and wipes off easily, and is the best lube I've found for rifle cases.

Don
One Shot seemed to work fine on my .300WM brass.

MrOldLude
October 11, 2010, 03:14 PM
I have good luck with RCBS case-slick on my 223. But so far, it's the only tapered cartridge I reload.

kutter
October 11, 2010, 03:42 PM
USSR, I would agree that Imperial is probably better at lubrication than the One Shot, but to say it is not for bottleneck cases I have to disagree with, and I think the thousands of .223 and 357 Sig I have reloaded would probably agree with me.

RC, your point is a good one, I will have to think some about that. Typically I do not go through more than 60-80 .308 rounds in a trip to the range so lubing with a pad would not be that much more work for the low volume I shoot. Now if my wife gets the hints for Christmas and Santa brings that Savage 12 F/TR, then my volume will go up just because I suspect I will be at the range a lot more frequently.

RustyFN
October 11, 2010, 05:59 PM
One Shot is fine for straight-walled pistol cases, but fails miserably with bottle-necked rifle cases.

I hope you didn't just jinx me. :neener: I have been using Hornady One Shot for a few years now to lube 223 brass and have had zero problems.

Hondo 60
October 11, 2010, 06:15 PM
When reloading for my handguns it's an inconvenience for me.

I tumble
resize/deprime
reprime
charge
add bullet
crimp

If I had to lube them I'd have to tumble again or somehow get rid of the lube.

I won't tumble primed cases and I load on a turret.
So if I lubed I'd have to size/deprime, take them off the press, tumble then put them back on the press to finish the job.

It would add at least an hour or more to the time it takes to reload.

USSR
October 11, 2010, 06:47 PM
Guys,

Check the stuck case threads out. The one thing they have in common is One Shot. You do the math.

Don

ranger335v
October 11, 2010, 07:48 PM
" I am still puzzled by something. Why is it everyone considers case lube to be such a pain?

You may be a youngster but you are wise beyond your time! :)

I strongly suspect "most" of the people who have problems with One-Shot have problems with reading and following instructions.

kutter
October 11, 2010, 07:50 PM
Hondo, my first question is why would you have to tumble them again to get the lube off and next, are you of the opinion that 10 minutes in a tumbler after loading is in any way measurably detrimental to loaded rounds?

I wipe off the .308 rounds, pistol and .223, I just shoot them as is. I have never had a problem yet. Admittedly my sample is relatively small, but others on here have done the same, it was because of this I stopped tumbling post loading. Not because I am worried about damaging the round in some way, just don't perceive a need to do so.

Damon555
October 11, 2010, 08:14 PM
No need to make lubing the cases a chore. One Shot works like a charm. I've loaded thousands of rounds using the stuff.

As far as cleaning the cases after loading, there is no reason to put them in the tumbler. Take 30 or 40 rounds (depending on the size) and set them on an old towel or t-shirt. Wrap them up and massage for a few minutes and they will come out clean as can be.

Carbide pistol dies = no need for lube. Don't waste your time.

Bluehawk
October 11, 2010, 08:31 PM
To me, lubing is easy and no big deal...I simply wipe them off when all is done. On the other hand, trimming cases is the real pain, even with my motorized Lyman trimmer because I do hundreds at a time!!!
I have used all kinds of lube products and feel One Shot is excellent for both rifle and handgun cartridges. At the moment I'm using a lanolin/alcohol lube only because I ran out of One Shot.

Gadzooks Mike
October 11, 2010, 08:38 PM
I strongly suspect "most" of the people who have problems with One-Shot have problems with reading and following instructions.

Exactly.

Robert Wilson
October 11, 2010, 08:40 PM
It's not exactly a pain, but I don't see the point to it, either - at least with cases for which carbide dies are available. It would be sort of akin to touching each case with a "healing crystal" before loading: it wouldn't hurt anything, but it's not likely to help either, so why bother? I don't go out of my way to add unnecessary steps to my activities unless I'm being paid by the hour. :p

sniper5
October 11, 2010, 08:41 PM
10:1 alcohol and Lee lube in a squeeze bottle. Dump casings in a ziplock bag. Squirt. Shake. Dump on towel before going to bed. Reload in the morning. No problem.

Randy1911
October 11, 2010, 08:43 PM
I load on a progressive. the way I do it is:
1.tumble to remove range dirt.
2. lube/resize/deprime with no other dies uninstalled (No problem there, the press ejects into a container so I only handle once)
3. tumble to remove lube
4. reinsert into press with sizer die removed and other dies installed to finish loading, loaded rounds come out finished and clean

After reading all of this I have a question about One Shot lube. How do you lube the inside of the necks? I've heard the trick to place in a Zip-loc bag and shake method. But does lube get in the inside of the neck? And do you still have to wipe the clean or do they dry clean?

RustyFN
October 11, 2010, 09:10 PM
Why is it everyone considers case lube to be such a pain?

I don't think it's a pain. I just don't see a point in using it where it's not needed. For me that would be pistol ammo.

Damon555
October 11, 2010, 09:12 PM
After reading all of this I have a question about One Shot lube. How do you lube the inside of the necks? I've heard the trick to place in a Zip-loc bag and shake method. But does lube get in the inside of the neck? And do you still have to wipe the clean or do they dry clean?

Randy, I don't lube the inside of the necks. I hose the die and the expander ball down with One Shot and let it dry. I usually relube the die when it gets tough to pull the expander ball through.

Be careful not to over lube the die, plus dry it out right side up so the excess drips off. Too much spray will dent the shoulders.

Tilos
October 11, 2010, 09:15 PM
kutter:
Take that plastic container put in the brass.
Put in 2 30 caliber size pieces of clothe, barely moist with ANY lube oil you have, put on the cover and roll it around for 30 seconds...done.
No expensive spray, no lube inside the case, what's not to like.

When you're done loading, you can wipe it off or tumble it in corn cob.

USSR
October 11, 2010, 09:19 PM
After reading all of this I have a question about One Shot lube. How do you lube the inside of the necks? I've heard the trick to place in a Zip-loc bag and shake method. But does lube get in the inside of the neck? And do you still have to wipe the clean or do they dry clean?

The simple way is to eliminate the need to use an expander ball and lube the necks by using a bushing die.

Don

Hondo 60
October 11, 2010, 09:38 PM
Hondo, my first question is why would you have to tumble them again to get the lube off and next, are you of the opinion that 10 minutes in a tumbler after loading is in any way measurably detrimental to loaded rounds?

For rifle rounds I tumble a 2nd time because that's the way I was taught.

Is it detrimental? Most likely not, but all the reloading books I've read say don't do it.
with my luck, I'd be the one in ten bazillion where a round would go off & blow a hole in my radiator. (I tumble in the garage.)

I also use the plastic MTM ammo boxes instead of just putting 'em loose in an ammo can or something.
I just don't like the idea of loose ammo banging around.

jcwit
October 11, 2010, 09:48 PM
I also use the plastic MTM ammo boxes instead of just putting 'em loose in an ammo can or something.
I just don't like the idea of loose ammo banging around.


HaHa, Never been in the service, have you?

Hondo 60
October 11, 2010, 09:55 PM
HaHa - yes I have.
I am currently the Commander of Andrew Miller Chapter 24 (WI) of the Disabled American Veterans.

And I still hate ammo banging around in cans! LOL

kutter
October 11, 2010, 09:59 PM
Randy when I lube pistol and 223, I use a plastic food container that is about 4"x8" and about 2 inches deep. I put about 200 cases or so in there and shake it all around as I spray. Some of the case face up when I am spraying and lube gets inside the case mouths then. I have never had a stuck case using that method, not sure where but I remember seeing someone do it that way on a video I watched online I think so I can't take credit for the idea.

I don't bother cleaning the completed rounds afterwards, I just box them up and go shoot. They don't look as pretty as if I had tumbled them for hours, but my Sig does not know the difference :p

Rusty I reload 357 Sig and even though I know there are carbide dies made for it, I treat it like a little rifle round and I lube all my rifle rounds so I lube for that. I have carbide .40 dies, and I suppose that I could run those without lube, but after someone on here suggested trying the carbide with lube, I will never go back to dry carbide. It is so much easier i could not have imagined and I feel like I am not working the brass as much. That may not be true but there is so much less resistance I cannot imagine it is not easier on the brass.

Hondo, I hate having them loose in ammo cans too, I use the boxes from Berry's, they work just fine and seem to hold up well. I am a great believer in having a system that works for you so if that is the way that you learned then far be it from me to question it. As potentially hazardous as the hobby can be any habit that works and is safe is a good one as far as I am concerned.

wombat13
October 12, 2010, 09:06 AM
I load on a progressive. the way I do it is:
1.tumble to remove range dirt.
2. lube/resize/deprime with no other dies uninstalled (No problem there, the press ejects into a container so I only handle once)
3. tumble to remove lube
4. reinsert into press with sizer die removed and other dies installed to finish loading, loaded rounds come out finished and clean

After reading all of this I have a question about One Shot lube. How do you lube the inside of the necks? I've heard the trick to place in a Zip-loc bag and shake method. But does lube get in the inside of the neck? And do you still have to wipe the clean or do they dry clean?

I'm not loading thousands of rounds at a sitting, so my method might not work for you. I put the cases in a loading block and spray the group from each side at a slight downward angle. Let it dry for one minute and you're good to go. Dry Shot is a dry lube, so it doesn't foul the powder and you don't have to remove it after loading.

I also load on a progressive press. I tumble to clean the empty cases, spray with One Shot and then load.

shu
October 13, 2010, 06:13 AM
I do rifle some, but not a lot; and I do the bottleneck 357sig.

When I started reloading some 10 yrs ago, with the RCBS Master Reloading Kit, I used the pad and bottle of CaseLube 2 that came with the kit. Rolled the cases around in an old towel after resizing to wipe off some of the slick.

Tried a bottle of the spray-on stuff, but never got to like it.

Now I have a tub of Hornady Unique Case Lube. About the consistency of margerine. Reminds me of some Mink Oil boot waterproofer I had once. In fact, says on the side of the Hornady product it will work for waterproofing leather.

Pick up a dab on the index finger, transfer it around to butter up the other finger tips; pick up a shell case, and some of the lube transfers to the case as you seat it in the shell holder. Maybe wipe the index finger across the case mouth for the expander ball to pick up some lube.

Works well and lasts a loooooooooong time.

Rollis R. Karvellis
October 13, 2010, 08:10 AM
I, just hold the can at a 45 deg. angle, and shoot all 4 side's of the block. This lube's all the case, including the inside.

Dacoda
October 13, 2010, 06:20 PM
I've been using Mobil One synthetic for a few years now, I've never had a problem. I've loaded thousands of rifle rounds, and I still haven't even put a dent in the bottle. Not to mention, I use it to wipe down the press and dies afterwards. I hate rust. Has anyone ever heard a single bad thing about using Mobil One? If not, I can't believe more people aren't using it.

shtr45acp
October 15, 2010, 01:39 PM
have had good luck in using sm amt lube only. Just did 100 ea of 30-30 and 308, no probs. I lube pad as normal, run about 5 cases lubed in the usual fashion, and after that, I put my fingertip into the lube on the pad and then put a "fingerprint" of lube in the next case to be resized. I still brush the inside of the neck, as customary. Has worked well for me. Otherwise, If I lube the whole body of the case, I throw them all into an amonia based liquid case cleaner and use Thumblers tumbler (lg one) to get rid of the excess lube. Works for me, and have never had a stuck case in either Lee or RCBS dies.

SSN Vet
October 15, 2010, 04:34 PM
tumble to remove lube

I give every tenth pistol brass a very light swipe with Imperial and it really makes the next ten a lot easier.

I load semi-progressive on a LCT press, and I just keep a cotton rag near the press and wipe off that first case whlie still on the press with the ram held tight in the up position. Then pull the round, inspect and put in the box.

The next one after the lubed case almost never needs wiping.

And if there's a little lube inadvertantly left on the case exterior... no harm-no foul.

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