Information Wanted: Sistema Colt 1911/M1927


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Birdmang
October 10, 2010, 11:45 PM
I would like to know what people think of these pistols please!

Are they of good quality?

Would a never fired one with good finish run around $600?

I am looking for a shooter 1911 not a collector, is this a good choice?

Can I upgrade the parts; trigger, hammer, barrel, with aftermarket parts of this era?

Whats the general opinion?


thanks!

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jonnyc
October 11, 2010, 06:28 AM
Search here and Google for "Sistema". Lots of info on these fine pistols that are 100% 1911A1s.

Jim Watson
October 11, 2010, 08:25 AM
A truly "never fired" Sys. 1927 would be a considerable rarity.
All I have ever seen were well used with worn blue or arsenal overhaul Parkerizing.
Well, there was the one a guy ordered in 1969, first year under GCA 1968 when everything had to go through a FFL. Advertised as "100% bright blue with three matching numbered magazines" at about the same price as a new Colt. Turned out to be 100% buffed out reblue and three magazines with the serial number applied freehand with a vibrotool.

Brian Williams
October 11, 2010, 09:07 AM
I have a good version of the Sistema and it is a great copy of a Colt 1911. I have kept the lower end original and replaced the slide and the barrel because my barrel was very worn, the brass was badly bulged because of a bad chamber. I really need to have a good upper end put on because the slide and barrel really do not match the rest of the gun in regards to fitting well.

loadedround
October 11, 2010, 09:55 AM
I bought one several years ago when a group of them came on the market. They were Colt licesnsed pistols made on Colt supplied equipment in Argentina for their armed forces. Mine is extremly well made and finished with an excellent trigger pull. As far as I can see, it is completely parts interchangeable with an American made Colt and my Ciener 22 Conversion fits mine perfectly. The prices I've seen online for a Colt Sistema is 500-600.00 for a vg-excellent one.

Birdmang
October 11, 2010, 12:06 PM
Thanks for the information. I was just wondering because I found out from a specialist that my Walther P38 is valued at atbou $675, on the p38 forum, and I have been offered a few different guns as trades. The sistema colt is the only one that I had trouble finding a value on, also when trading the value seems not to matter as much as getting something that you want/like, and a good started 1911 is something I really want.

Mad Magyar
October 11, 2010, 02:44 PM
Before long, someone is going to mention that it was made from inferior steel, or from the German battleship, Graf Spree. Both not true....At one time, a few decades ago, I had about 5; I prefered the Air Force & Naval versions. Unfortunately, I'm down to two...The one pictured had a finish that I thought could be improved: TRIPP with the CobraChrome finish...

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q148/veritas2369/SilverGrips.jpg

Jim Watson
October 11, 2010, 02:50 PM
I have READ that the Argies got their machine tools from a German company - Colt was not then a division of Fairbanks Morse and were not in the business of making tooling - and used Swedish steel, then considered to be of the best quality because of naturally lower sulfur and phosphorus content.

CWL
October 11, 2010, 10:34 PM
Don't trust anyone trying to sell you an "unfired" Sistema, especially if it is in great condition. I highly suspect that it has been refurbished and someone is trying to make a sucker out of you.

Drail
October 11, 2010, 10:44 PM
Most of the Argentine 1911s that have been showing up in this country in the last five years are in pretty bad shape. But a good one is a very good 1911. And the steel from the Graf Spee was most definitely not "inferior" steel. Whether or not that steel was actually used in some Argentine guns is unknown, but I have worked on some of these guns and the steel was VERY high quality stuff. Better than any Colt I have ever worked on. A file would barely cut it. If offered one for sale look closely at the breechface's condition. Quite a few of the ones I worked on had been stored in a military armory on racks with steel rods run up through the muzzles which peened the breechface so badly we couldn't save some of them. Very nice guns if the price is right and they haven't been abused. I would seriously question any 1927 that the seller claimed was "unfired".

czhen
October 12, 2010, 10:06 PM
Hi,
Let see if I recall right, first batch were Colt made (very small bacth), then were made with Colt tooling and contract, late with Argentinean tooling (contract again) made for their Armies and Police. Always, 100% compatible with 1911 Colt as known.

CZhen,

Mad Magyar
October 13, 2010, 09:38 AM
If offered one for sale look closely at the breechface's condition. Quite a few of the ones I worked on had been stored in a military armory on racks with steel rods run up through the muzzles which peened the breechface so badly we couldn't save some of them.
How true....The one I have pictured had early signs but was corrected with help from TRIPP....

Birdmang
October 13, 2010, 10:51 AM
What is the breech face?

REAPER4206969
October 13, 2010, 11:03 AM
Ehh, the internal flat part of the slide that "seals" the breech. It has the extractor and firing pin hole.

That was really hard to describe. lol

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWIMe3nHQRU4BJAxPQnECOfPzGTWvZP-fuwS_zhf_lu3ZIdxc&t=1&usg=__M-QyKrgHztfpAYki5AMY-XO-yZE=

Onmilo
October 14, 2010, 10:38 AM
Inferior steel!!
Hardly!
The Argentines used imported Swedish steel to craft their clone of the 1911A1, better steel than the Americans were using at the time.

If you find a brand new, never fired 1927 Systema for $600 I will gladly give you $800, immediately.
Buyers rights, of course.

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