Arming the Neighborhood: What's YOUR plan?


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SharpsDressedMan
October 12, 2010, 02:06 PM
Over the years, I have had friends and relatives jokingly say that when times get tough, REALLY TOUGH, they are going to come to my house, because I have guns and load my own ammo. They seem to think that I am preparing for THEIR defense. I always laugh right back, and say "What are you bringing with you (when you come)?" I have sacrificed a lot of other things to have a well stocked battery of guns and accessories, ammo, etc, for each, to be prepared for "whatever". I do not feel a social obilgation to arm my neighbors, or certain factions of my family in such times. I may barter or trade ammo, and maybe even guns, to get what I need, but during an emergency is not the time to be giving it all away. Anyone else suffer from people who otherwise act oblivious to preparedeness planning, and think you are going to "provide" for them?

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MutinousDoug
October 12, 2010, 02:15 PM
An armed neophyte in an emergency sounds like a distraction I wouldn't care to have to deal with.

thunder173
October 12, 2010, 02:21 PM
Family, (for the most part), is an obligation. Neighbors on the other hand are not necessarily so. There are those that we collectively watch over and help/take care of things for. There are others,..well,..it's be suffucuent to say that they would be no more welcomed than any other trespasser/looter if it ever came right down to it.

essayons21
October 12, 2010, 02:21 PM
I have a FIL who has a preparedness mindset, but has way more money than sense. His gun collection puts most local gun shops to shame, but he probably hasn't fired 90% of the guns he owns. He has stocked up on ammunition, by the pallet, but only owns 1 or 2 magazines per firearm. This is a guy who has about a dozen AR's in his main gun safe, but didn't know where a single AR magazine was in his house. I had to explain to him why an AR-10 and a FAL magazine wouldn't work in his .223 ARs.

That being said, his teenage children all have their own rifles, and are pretty good shots with a Mini-14.

He otherwise has a good setup, semi-secluded house on a good plot of land, generators, large stocks of food, etc. We have an agreement that if the feces ever hits the rotary oscillator, that he will supply the resources and I will supply the knowledge base and organization.

ArmedBear
October 12, 2010, 02:22 PM
I'd be surprised if many of my neighbors would need to borrow guns.

youngda9
October 12, 2010, 02:25 PM
Prepare for yourself and for the ones you love. If the neighbors don't prepare for themselves then that's their problem, it's not my responsability.

CoRoMo
October 12, 2010, 02:30 PM
SHTF and EOTWAWKI aside, I bought a H&R Handi-Rifle to have on hand as a loaner. After hearing that my next door neighbor was a bird hunter, I told him that if he ever wanted to go elk hunting, just let me know. He showed interest, but replied that he didn't own a rifle. Therefore, I bought a $200 rifle, scoped it with a Nikon Buckmasters tube, and it sits waiting for someone to use it (well, not exactly). I also acquired an interchangeable .30-30 barrel with open sights, and decided that my kids will find it useful when they want to come hunting with me. The thing is, it is so light and handy, I've taken it elk hunting myself, and I'll do it again this Saturday. Neat little rifle, and it's already taken an elk!! My nicer rifles will again stay in the safe this rifle season.

I know that's not technically "Arming the Neighborhood", but I couldn't avoid a good, solid reason to buy another rifle.:)

cassandrasdaddy
October 12, 2010, 02:39 PM
2 of my neighbors and i have laid out interlocking fields of fire and safe words. the retired gunny scares even me i shudder to think what he might trot outa his basement with if things get ugly. the third neighbor we call him cannon fodder hes a wait for the gov to save me kinda guy

otcconan
October 12, 2010, 02:42 PM
Hey, if they have mad kitchen skillz and are willing to cook anything I shoot, then yeah, they can ride with me.

tuckerdog1
October 12, 2010, 02:50 PM
I'm with ArmedBear. I think most of my neighbors are in good shape without my help.

Tuckerdog1

ForumSurfer
October 12, 2010, 02:54 PM
Yep. They all laugh and joke when I'm running around preparing for a hurricane. But there have been 3 or 4 times we went without power for more than 3 or 4 days. Guess who they come see when they are hungry and stinky?

My job entails many aspects of disaster preparedness. From what I have seen when dealing with personal preparedness, data integrity for computer systems, government disaster planning or whatever big or small plan you are dealing with; you are a nut job for over-preparing yourself or a fool because you missed something that everyone else will say was a glaring oversight when the situation is inevitably “Monday morning quarterback”ed. I see it in the news and I’ve seen it in these forums. I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen a disaster situation where someone says “Hey, so-and-so or so-and-so-government-agency did a top notch job with this disaster plan!” You either over prepare or under prepare. That may be the nature of the beast with disaster planning?


In regards to arming my neighbors...in a word, no. Not happening if they are strangers. If it is truly a SHTF deal, I'm looking out for my family first. If I can spare an sks or two and some ammo...maybe, but only if I feel that they won't end up shooting me by mistake. Food, meds and rations would probably be the most valuable commodities IMHO, anyway. Doesn't matter to me, though. My neighbors are (rational) family on one side. My other neighbor is better armed than me.

Mudinyeri
October 12, 2010, 02:56 PM
I have similar neighbors and friends. One friend hopes that I'll drop by his house before his daughter goes out on her first date. He's a pacifist and hopes a small dose of me will go a long way with his daughter's dates. :lol:

I also have an anti-gun neighbor who has asked if I woud shoot anyone trying to enter their home or molest their daughter. I told her "no" - especially if the perp is trying to enter their home through their daughter's bedroom window (on the front of the house) as the girl might be in the line of fire. That, of course, had never occured to the mother.

Not sure what I'll do if they come knocking on my door when/if something like rioting/looting/etc. ever breaks out.

JohnBT
October 12, 2010, 03:13 PM
Sunday morning at 7:00 I was headed down the sidewalk to 7-11 and I found a new holster for a Springfield XD on the sidewalk in front of my house.

After a little asking around - and searching under the cars on the street for the pistol - the guy next door was happy to get it back. He'd sold the gun to his nephew and bought a Colt Government model - blue - on his way home.

The next house over is owned by a duck hunter. :)

The raving liberal college professor across the street can throw all of her published and unpublished textbooks at the bad guys for all I care. She can beat on them with the old Obama yard signs too.

SSN Vet
October 12, 2010, 03:25 PM
I get the same joke from a couple co-workers, who claim that their SHTF plan is to come to my house.... :confused:

Thanks a lot.... am I supposed to feed you to?

But as I ponder what might be the likeliest "civil unrest" scenarios, I can't see an army of one as being much of a force to be reckoned with.

There is definitely strength in numbers, and a "social network" of a dozen reliable chaps could set up a rotation and provide significant coverage with pretty minimal kit.

I don't know about you, but I don't have my extended family living all around me and though I have good friends, they don't live close by. I wish my brother lived next door, but he doesn't, so I try to be on good terms with all of the people on the block.

There is a clique of four households who are all either related or "homies" and if the worst situation came to pass, I would try to hook up with them to set up a neighborhood watch.

Yet setting all such contingencies aside. I'm convinced that the real issues are going to be fuel storage, access to cash (or something of monetary value useful in trade) and the ability to produce at least a subsistence level of food.

ForumSurfer
October 12, 2010, 03:32 PM
The raving liberal college professor across the street can throw all of her published and unpublished textbooks at the bad guys for all I care.

I have a co-worker (liberal, partially anti-gun) who recently got lucky with a home invasion...sort of. Long story short, the perp left when his wife was screaming into the phone from a locked bedroom. All sorts of alarms and red flags with their previous "planning," but the long and short of it was that their plan failed and they (thankfully) got lucky.

This guy started asking questions about classes. He's had previous training in the air force and has a legal background, so he's well aware of how to use the weapon he was trained on and when he could use it. I'd let him borrow my revolver similar to what he is used to in a heartbeat until his 3 day wait is up if he wanted. So maybe I would arm my neighbors?

leadcounsel
October 12, 2010, 03:35 PM
Over the years, I have had friends and relatives jokingly say that when times get tough, REALLY TOUGH, they are going to come to my house, because I have guns and load my own ammo. They seem to think that I am preparing for THEIR defense. I always laugh right back, and say "What are you bringing with you (when you come)?" I have sacrificed a lot of other things to have a well stocked battery of guns and accessories, ammo, etc, for each, to be prepared for "whatever". I do not feel a social obilgation to arm my neighbors, or certain factions of my family in such times. I may barter or trade ammo, and maybe even guns, to get what I need, but during an emergency is not the time to be giving it all away. Anyone else suffer from people who otherwise act oblivious to preparedeness planning, and think you are going to "provide" for them?


And yet, as a Nation, this is exactly what we (as taxpayers) do. Folks that live in California or New Orleans or other places where natural disasters frequently hit, for instance, live the highlife at the expense of folks that live in less desirable yet more stable places of the country.... Everytime we spend FEMA dollars to fix someplace where it is foreseeable that there are regular natural disasters I cannot help think of the inequity involved... Yet when Tennessee was hit with the worst flood in a 100 years in 2010, costing hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars in damages, no federal emergency was declared! :cuss: I think the policy ought to be - take care of yourself! If you chose to live someplace below sealevel on the coast, and you are flooded, well next time you'll learn! Any other system of, once again, handouts, ultimately leads to inequity.

The same is true with guns and ammo... Others spend their money on luxuries while the good folks here spend on guns, ammo, and training. Yet if there were a disaster, you'd naturally be looked upon to surrender yours for the common good.

To answer the OPs question, I think a handful of inexpensive Mosin Nagants and a few boxes of ammo would do well to help arm the neighbors who could pull guard duty on your neighborhood block. I would envision some overwatch positions from hardened 2nd floor windows with Mosin Nagants along with a few 'gatekeepers' with 12 gauge mossbergs. However, these would not be handouts. Folks would either trade significantly or work significantly... and you'd better believe the price of a Mosin would be much greater in an crisis than $90! :D

otcconan
October 12, 2010, 03:46 PM
My mom grows vegetables and cans them, has tons of meat in the freezer, lives on 90 acres in the middle of nowhere and is surrounded by gun-toting hunting neighbors who all love her and would defend her themselves.

And most of my guns are there. SHTF, that's where I'm headed.

Gator06
October 12, 2010, 04:15 PM
Fortunately, for me, I live across the river from D.C. so when the mushroom cloud goes up I'll have been vaporized along with my collection of arms and my entire neighborhood for that matter. It'll all be for the best anyways, the neighborhood leans the direction that most of the politicians across the river do.......

In the event the "event" happens to be something a bit more survivable, there is one neighbor I can trust. He's got two gunsafes in his living room and ammo stacked high. The rest of them better bring something to contribute.....

Onward Allusion
October 12, 2010, 04:22 PM
That's why I still have pot metal crap and a few other really inexpensive pieces - to use as barter.

Sgt_R
October 12, 2010, 04:30 PM
I don't know most of my neighbors. I don't particularly like most of the ones that I do know. I'm not arming any of them.

R

Gord
October 12, 2010, 04:40 PM
I don't know most of my neighbors. I don't particularly like most of the ones that I do know. I'm not arming any of them.

This.

jackpinesavages
October 12, 2010, 04:44 PM
.....

Onward Allusion
October 12, 2010, 04:52 PM
Ain't that the truth. :mad:

Everyone makes fun of the "gun nutz" until they need a meal or a defender. Oh well.

thorazine
October 12, 2010, 04:55 PM
F the neighbors.

They would probably stab me in the back for bread and water.

TCB in TN
October 12, 2010, 04:56 PM
Would not be arming the neighborhood. Would be glad to help defend them while they work to provide for US! They can provide labor while I provide defense. But I will not be giving them weapons.

Sky
October 12, 2010, 05:26 PM
I always wonder what is meant by stuff hitting the fan.

Pretty sure Zombies are a fantasy.

10,000% inflation and starving people?

Government gone mad?

Roving gangs? All of the aforementioned?

Hyper inflation and a loaf of bread costing xxxx? Everyone will have serious problems and hard times will be had by all.

Government after you then there is no fortified location that will save you. Lite and fast good concealment might work for a while; but it will suck and sooner or later you will be tired of running? Government dogs never tire or if they do then a new team is at their disposal to continue the chase.

Hunger and roving gangs then the home/neighborhood defense scenario would probably work if you can post dependable guards. Humans have always congregated in tribes for protection for no one can stay alert for more than about 72 hours.

If we were invaded then I personally believe there would be many who would grow a back bone and do what is necessary to protect home and liberty.

I am not trying to make a statement. I am honestly just wondering.

SharpsDressedMan
October 12, 2010, 05:51 PM
The actual arming of the neighbors was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but trading reloaded ammo for other necessities, like fuel, food, medicine, medical care, batteries, etc, seems plausible. I figure I can take care of a lot of peole that planned poorly with ammo and gun related stuff, for things that they will be able to help me with. That is part of my preparedness plan. Taking care of the masses that didn't plan, pay attention, or listen isn't on my list. Protecting myself and family FROM them IS on my list.

hardworker
October 12, 2010, 05:52 PM
I have no real plan because in the event it becomes necessary to arm the neighborhood I'm pulling up and leaving. I'm loading whatever fits in the truck and getting out of there. I don't see me needing to hunker down in, not to mention defend, the house. All one would need to do is set the house on fire and there goes the fortress. A house is not a good place to have to defend. Too many windows, just all around un-strategic.

General Geoff
October 12, 2010, 05:53 PM
A house is not a good place to have to defend. Too many windows, just all around un-strategic.

Agreed.


That's why I'm looking into purchasing a missile silo. :D

TNboy
October 12, 2010, 05:57 PM
Nope, I'm not arming anyone, not that I live in any kind of neighborhood at all. I have arrangements made with some close friends if S does HTF. While we're at it though, here's one for you Mudinyeri!

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/GapTrash/gunneighbor-1.jpg

Corporal K
October 12, 2010, 06:05 PM
Arming the whole street? No. Arming a couple of families? Probably.

Yes, they should already have guns, but they probably have things and skills that I don't that could be just as valuable. I don't have a problem giving out a couple of .22's and some ammo if it means strength in numbers.

Great book on related subjects: http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survival-Manual-Surviving-Economic/dp/9870563457/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1286921060&sr=1-1

Big_E
October 12, 2010, 06:06 PM
Where I used to live in CA, most of my neighbors owned firearms, except my family and my neighbor are probably the only ones that shoot. My friend had this awesome property up in the mountains about 40 mins away and I always joked, "If anything bad happens I'm loading up my guns and supplies and hiding out here with you." Truthfully, if there was a major disaster/uprising/zombie outbreak/nuke/whatever, I probably wouldn't make it very far out of town.

I had to sell some of my collection, but when I resupply "the armory" and if friends needed a gun I would probably give them one granted: They bring a lot of survival/special skills to the table, they know how to use the firearm effectively and I can trust them. I wouldn't arm everyone I know begging for some means of protection. Hell if I had to move quickly I wouldn't even take my entire collection with me either, Just grab the AR and a sidearm.

Zanad
October 12, 2010, 06:15 PM
If anyone cares, this reminds me of something I saw on the highroad not to long ago

Arm Thy Neighbor
by Matthew Bracken

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=6463950

a small excerpt;

Most of the readers of this column probably donít need to be convinced of the wisdom of owning and practicing with firearms. You may even believe that you already possess all of the guns you need, whether a .38 caliber revolver in your bedside table or a small battery of handguns, shotguns and rifles in your closet or gun safe. You may even own one or more of those liberally despised so-called assault rifles. In any of these cases you may think you donít need to consider any more gun purchases.

There is, however, one reason to purchase at least a few more weapons: to arm thy neighbors. I can hear you saying, ďWhat is Bracken talking about? If that foolish grasshopper of a neighbor didnít bother about his security when guns were readily available, why should I worry about him now? Besides, he may even be an anti-gun liberal, so the hell with him!Ē



just something I refound/found

Lakeshore
October 12, 2010, 06:24 PM
I'd be surprised if any of my neighbors even know I have guns, it's not something I advertise (nor do they). Depending on one's particular 'hood there's that risk that the neighbors might just decide to drop in and help themselves when you're not at home. :what:

But yeah, in a shtf situation I have several trusted neighbors that I'd probably offer to arm if they needed help.

Joe Demko
October 12, 2010, 06:28 PM
TSHTF every day, somewhere in the world. The thing is, it's localized. Everybody else in the world is sitting with an iced drink watching the TV coverage. Although in my yoot I was a hard core survivalist and was sure civilization as a whole was going to go to smash, I no longer do. I don't stockpile gigantic amounts of dried beans, or hoard arms with the notion of arming my neighbors or any of that foolishness any more.
I plan for localized and essentially transient states of emergency that may have an impact on me and mine and I get on with my life.
If you want to start spinning this into world-wide Captain Trips flu pandemic or asteroid impact or global thermonuclear warfare, then survival will be a matter of luck, nothing more. With nearly everybody dead, you'll be able to scavenge through the wreckage for things you need should you be one of the survivors.

jeepguy
October 12, 2010, 06:37 PM
lately the queston of where would i go in a shtf scenario has been on my mind. i think their is safty in numbers. so i wouldn't mind arming some friends or family. plus depending on the duration of time it takes to restore order would require alot of different skill sets. doctors, nurse's,mechanics,hunters,gunsmith's,etc.etc. so arming some people who could help in other area's would be a smart move. even if you only did it with family & people with highly desired skill sets it could become a matter of self preservation & not a matter of charity. i recently read several books on this subject which gave me alot to think about. both of these, one second after & patriots (a novel of survival in the coming collapse) are good fictional accounts of what it might look like if a shtf scenario did happen.

okespe04
October 12, 2010, 07:02 PM
I live in a very liberal neighborhood I will hold down my fort while they fend for themselves if it comes down to it.

Friends and family are a different story. They are why I have a small collection of surplus firearms. An sks or a mosin would be a lot better than nothing.

Joe Demko
October 12, 2010, 07:02 PM
a novel of survival in the coming collapse

The "coming collapse" has been taking its time getting here and, in the meanwhile, authors and retailers have been making a great living telling us what we need to survive it and selling same to us.

Animal Mother
October 12, 2010, 07:03 PM
There are a few situations where I could see arming friends in the neighborhood. For example, I have a friend and neighbor who has a water pump that will function without power, to my knowledge he doesn't have any firearms. You can bet that should a SHTF situation arise, such as a hurricane where power is out for an extended time and there is a threat of roving gangs/looters, I will be giving him at least an SKS or M1 Carbine (and perhaps much more), with the understanding that we'll work together and share his water supply. Remember that you have to sleep sometimes, and if there was a person you could trust enough to set a watch at night, you'll be much better rested to deal with the hard business of survival. Even a friend with little more to offer than the ability to stand watch and haul water will rate a SMLE or M-38. My wife and I only have two hands so any extra guns won't do me any good sitting in my safe in a time of need.

But the AR is mine!
:)

washambala
October 12, 2010, 07:21 PM
TNBoy- Where can I get a sign like that?

daorhgih
October 12, 2010, 07:26 PM
In a sports-good place Monday, buying more bullets, asked about the limit, and was told, "No limit." So I flip out the plastic and buy 50-boxes. Jerk looking at b-b-gun scopes hears the conversation, and pipes in, "Whuu, are you preparing for a revolution?" "No-sir. The revolution is already under way in the hands of much younger men. I'm preparing for the occupation because I'll survive the revolution."
Going back for more ammo on pay-day. No limit.

Hardtarget
October 12, 2010, 07:45 PM
How do we go about finding the right group...the men/women that will stand firm and be the defenders! How to break the silence code so that plans can be made. Waiting for the "day after" is poor planning. I don't want to seem like a paranoid nut case, but... it takes effort and time to make survival work.By talking about it we can be smart. Put together the right tools and supplies. A good group would be hard to defeat.

I have two sons. One lives close. The other is maybe 15 miles. Both have two children. This is just impossible for me to figure what to do or where to be.

I've got "stuff" but I'm not sure about them.

Fun to think about but I don't think I'll ever make a truly good plan.

Its also hard to even make sense talking about this.

Mark

22-rimfire
October 12, 2010, 07:45 PM
If something ever did happen barring a nuclear strike locally, I think there will be some time to get organized and if you live in a neighborhood, have some meetings to discuss things. A leader or two must emerge and the rest need to to their part.

As a blanket statement, I will not be arming my neighbors. I might arm my extended family, but that is about it.

TNboy
October 12, 2010, 07:47 PM
TNBoy- Where can I get a sign like that?

I had that picture E-mailed to me a long time ago. Pretty sure that is a poorly done photochop, but still humorous...and presents a valid point.

AKElroy
October 12, 2010, 07:54 PM
I'd be surprised if many of my neighbors would need to borrow guns.

And if they do, it is likely them I need to be concerned about.

Ike R
October 12, 2010, 07:56 PM
Read "One Moment After" , excellent book, its fiction, but realistic I think. Also for a good read about "arming the neighbors" is John Ringo's "The Last Centurion", though his neighbors are very different from the ones the OP is talking about.

Would I arm the nieghbors? Sure, have no problem with my Brother or Father useing one of my guns, would wonder what was wrong with theirs though! The Conservative lesbian lady next door (who was once VERY liberal", i would even arm with a rifle or shotgun as she has taken part in our neighborhood emergency drills and owns a VERY nice 1911 from the Kimber Custom shop now (had armadillo hide grips made for it!).

Could life as we know it end? Yes, t does for people every day, and while I hope that I never have to survive it, I have survived hurricanes Rita and Ike, and we where in a bad place after them. Would I wait on the goverment? No, I am not a sheep.

Ronald Reagan once said something along the lines of " The worst words in the world are " I am from the goverment, and I am here to help. "

Joe Demko
October 12, 2010, 07:58 PM
Ronald Reagan once said something along the lines of " The worst words in the world are " I am from the goverment, and I am here to help. "

Yeah...he said it right after he sold guns to terrorists and right before he closed the machinegun registry.

Old krow
October 12, 2010, 08:30 PM
Government after you then there is no fortified location that will save you. Lite and fast good concealment might work for a while; but it will suck and sooner or later you will be tired of running? Government dogs never tire or if they do then a new team is at their disposal to continue the chase.

Our country was founded on the notion that the above statement is false. It was quite the opposite in fact.

You never know what can or will happen. Until the 1900s the concept of a world war was outrageous to most people. If you'd have told them then that a bomb was coming in +30 years that could destroy an entire city they'd have told you that you were nuts. We're at or close to places that we've never been before.

Personally, I think that some of it is a manufactured scare, not all, just some. IMHO, to be prepared for anything (that hasn't happened before) is to understand that you cannot know exactly what is going to happen and to cover as many bases and as many essentials as you can. I reserve judgement until I must make a decision like that. I hope that I never need to rely on my neighbors for security, but you never know.

I have survived hurricanes Rita and Ike, and we where in a bad place after them. Would I wait on the goverment? No, I am not a sheep.

Katrina and Ivan should have been a wake up call for anyone around here. I can tell you from personal experience, that in the event of any emergency, SHTF, EOTWAWKI, Hurricane X, you pick a disaster, the roads are completely jacked. If you feel the need to leave, so do other people. It's good to be prepared in the event that "plan A" is a deadlocked contra-flow interstate. As a rule of thumb, anything that you need to do, everyone else does to.

ritepath
October 12, 2010, 08:44 PM
My neighbors probably have as many if not more firearms than I.

xcgates
October 12, 2010, 09:00 PM
Location: Texas

I tend to think I am the least-well armed house in the immediate area, with only a .22LR bolt action rifle, and an 870.

Sky
October 12, 2010, 09:09 PM
Old Krow not a disagreement about the founding principles that brought this country into being.

If I would have lived back then I would have tried to be a raider or scout either way I believe I would have fought.

I tend to be more of a gorilla type fighter only because every time I got into deep kimchi it was by orders from someone who did not know the lay of the land or enemy location.

I am not one to stand in a line with my fellow arm bearers and take a fifty cal ball on some important part of my body because the leaders can't think of a better way to do it. If it is serious enough to go to war it better be serious enough to win.

Slight difference between the Red Coats and some contemporary government agency with flir, night vision, and hand held infrared vision and all kinds of air support. Either way who ever survives the what ever I will see you on the other side or I won't; only time and the situation will tell.

CoastieShep
October 12, 2010, 09:14 PM
Don't see a problem with having people close to you coming over to your house, just as long as they bring supplies. I'd rather have 10 armed people that aren't afraid of guns in my house than just me and the wife. Assuming I had the guns to arm them with of course. But they'd better be bringing food, water and anything else they have that could be useful.

22-rimfire
October 12, 2010, 09:27 PM
I tend to think I am the least-well armed house in the immediate area, with only a .22LR bolt action rifle, and an 870.

You might be in for a surprise. You would be amazed at what people have and at the same time, you would be amazed just how ill prepared most people are even for an electrical outage. Food? That one would shock you. Older folks tend to keep more food around, and my impression of most younger folks is that they tend to buy a groceries on an as-needed basis and have little beyond a couple of days food (max) in the house.

Old krow
October 12, 2010, 10:03 PM
Old Krow not a disagreement about the founding principles that brought this country into being.

If I would have lived back then I would have tried to be a raider or scout either way I believe I would have fought.

I was merely advocating that preparedness and prevention are sometimes related. Situations such as that were foreseen and we were given a means of preventing them should we try.

Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got possession. --George Washington

xcgates
October 12, 2010, 10:05 PM
to be fair, if something went foul, i'd probably be on base in short order though.

You do remind me, I need to stock up on more canned food. Heck, I couldn't live for more than probably 1 week on the food I have. Of course it doesn't help I just moved, and haven't spent more than a couple weeks in my new home at a time.:banghead:

OmutaX
October 12, 2010, 10:14 PM
I live in a state, better yet a county, where mass chaos and looting is obligatory for the jerks out here if there's any sort of mass disaster (LA Riots) or if the Lakers win the Championship. Guess what answer I'll be giving to all my bleeding heart friends when their homes are being trashed and I'm in my apartment birds nest defending my loot? :evil:

22-rimfire
October 12, 2010, 10:22 PM
I could handle fairly easily living comfortably for a month with existing supplies. The problem comes in with my wife's family (who live nearby) who might not even have enough food for the next day. Guns? Chuckle Chuckle.... they can't even afford to pay their electric bill consistantly let alone have disposable cash for guns and ammunition. Again, older folks tend to have more resources.

You would face the same issue with some neighbors. Hence firearms would come in handy in a worst case situation. Hopefully, the presence of the firearm would be enough to maintain order.

CHEVELLE427
October 12, 2010, 10:29 PM
i here this as well,

(when it hits the fan IM COMING TO YOUR HOUSE)

news flash me and mine wont be around i hope, we will be in the sticks were some country kin live, if we can get there before the lock down.

everything is cased ,loaded , and caned, for easy toss and go.

stick around town there will only be the

HAVES
AND
HAVE NOT'S

Hanzo581
October 12, 2010, 10:30 PM
I would gladly help family and friends...the neighbors? Not so much. Though as long as they contributed something to the general survivability of our neighborhood I would try to protect them as best I could.

FIVETWOSEVEN
October 12, 2010, 10:39 PM
One thing about arming your neighbors is that if they don't know how to shoot, that can become a tactical liability you know.

22-rimfire
October 12, 2010, 10:39 PM
Hanzo581, my first thought after reading your post was.... :D, my guns and their blood....

I know one guy who litterally has a bomb shelter with air filtration in his back yard along with cases of guns.

wrs840
October 12, 2010, 10:53 PM
Arm Thy Neighbor
by Matthew Bracken

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=514063

I'm one who believes there's wisdom in the above. For me, a half-dozen each of used Marlin 336s, and S&W M64 police-trades, all available in the $250 range or less, are smart to pick up when you run across good examples, for "if and when" the occasion comes that someone needs to arm the "deemed-trustworthy" hangers-on that will inevitably arrive without hardware or much skill. It's just another preparedness-plan that makes as much sense as any of the rest of the "be-prepared" plans.

IMO,
Les

armoredman
October 12, 2010, 11:48 PM
When I lost my house a few months ago, we moved to a rental area in a VERY small town. One nieghbor has a lot of the characteristics of meth use, and another house down the other direction sports many of the tattoos I see on the prison yards. We won't have time to worry about arming our neighbors as I am reasonably certain they will already be coming for what little we have. ONLY exception would be our landlord, very nice guy.
As for scenarios, the one most likely would be if the cartels moving humans and drugs through this area unfettered by Uncle Sam decide to go to war with our Sheriff for standing up to them, (not Arpio), which would likely cause a great deal of unrest, but not total government collapse. The economic collapse scenario becomes more likely the longer the "recovery" is hampered, and we get closer to that downgraded credit rating for the USA. But still I don't see the hordes roaming the streets or the Road Warrior setting.
But, if we had this total government collapse postulated by the OP I would be too busy fighting my neighbors to consider anything inane like arming them. They don't know what I have now, and I will keep it that way. :)

Sky
October 13, 2010, 12:09 AM
armoredman,
I am so sorry about the house and neighborhood. Good luck to you and yours.

Leanwolf
October 13, 2010, 01:14 AM
FIVETWOSEVEN - "One thing about arming your neighbors is that if they don't know how to shoot, that can become a tactical liability you know."

I agree 100%. It would be very unwise to start handing out firearms to people who haven't the faintest idea how to use them SAFELY and ACCURATELY, and IMMEDIATELY, when needed, without remorse whatsoever.

Also, given that most people -- at least whom I know -- who don't own firearms, don't believe in actual self defense, and are usually anti-guns. Therefore, arming people such as that could very easily backfire on you.

L.W.

JohnBiltz
October 13, 2010, 02:05 AM
I think if its something like LA riots I'm handing out to any neighbors willing to take a stand. Those pictures of guys standing on the roof with long guns amid an otherwise burning area are a good reason for that. Aside from that probably not.

kd7nqb
October 13, 2010, 02:18 AM
Where I live we have a few pro-gun guys and a few anti-gunners. As far as I am concerned if one of the pro-gun neighbors comes over in an emergency and for whatever reason needs a loaner gun, then not a problem. However if one my neighbors who gives me a dirty look when I pull my shotgun out of my truck from a day of sporting clays, then they are on their own.

Its likely easier in theory than practice but its my plan anyway.

A and O
October 13, 2010, 02:41 AM
Funny the OP mentions this, I think about it often. Several of my neighbors have said that they are coming to my house wtshtf. My response was/is we'll work out a trade at the prevailing market rate at that time. Point blank I told them it's within their means to provide for themselves right now and to do it now.

In less than 30 minutes I'll be turning 54 and it took me all of the first 53 to figure out the following. Most friends/neighbors are fair weather friends. As soon as clouds show up they are gone or full of excuses as to why they can't be there to help in your time of need. To think that I'll arm them after educating them on the need to do so on their own now will cost them dearly on the day of desperation to come. Only the SKS's and 22's will be up for sale and at a hefty price too.

hill.country
October 13, 2010, 04:18 AM
Location: Texas

This.

Comparatively I think we have a well trained and armed citizenry even if we lack obvious things like Open Carry. [Oddly Texas recently installed metal detectors at the state capital, but then added a (much faster!) bypass line for CHL holders.]

I like to think I have good and prepared neighborhoods. "Even" here in Austin the family across the street (with the Obama bumper sticker on their SUV) goes hunting together, another Democrat neighbor is an well armed (ex-)marine, and I've seen a city government employee who jogs our neighborhood clearly "printing" [did I mention we need open carry? FWIW I'm not sure if it's for two legged varmints or not, as we also have a multitude of unfenced dogs, unpredictable/unafraid coyote, as well as an occasional mountain lion].

I consider us fortunate that if the scenario required more armed citizens than just my family, I honestly think there are more neighbors I'd be willing to loan a gun to than those I wouldn't.

And while I don't think the neighborhood is lacking for small arms, you've got me thinking that I really should stock more food. Thanks.

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 13, 2010, 04:43 AM
If it comes to it, I'm on my own. I haven't talked to or seen my family in years, no wife or gf, and my closest Army buddies live about 40 miles away. I'll take care of myself.

Blackrock
October 13, 2010, 08:44 AM
I live in a small semi rural community where most all able bodied males are members of the local VFD. We consider ourselves the towns self appointed militia as well. Lots of weapons and generators and food storage around here. Probably 80% Mormons with their one year food supplys.

leadcounsel
October 13, 2010, 08:44 AM
Use guns NOW as gifts to build relationships and training.

I've given Mosin Nagant rifles and a handful of ammo ($80 a piece) to three of my most trusted neighbors as gifts or payments for favors (watching my house, helping build a fence, etc). They are all military with families. They are all gun owners, but more guns is better, right? And some of them have young sons, soon old enough to handle a rifle. Strength in trusted numbers. The strength of the wolf is not in his ability, it is in the pack.

Cost to me was negligible but it cements relationships and gives them the opportunity to learn NOW to use the weapon. A Mosin is about as simple and effective of a firearm as you can imagine, and potent enough to stop any aggressors in any armor. Would be very effective to have every house in your neighborhood armed with a Mosin in the upstairs window with overwatch of your neighborhood in a crisis.

Cost to me, less than $300.

doc2rn
October 13, 2010, 08:53 AM
My brother lives in my neighborhood, in EOTWAWKI, I am cordially invited over according to him as long as I bring the arsenal. I gave him a 12g for christmas 2 yrs ago and a Ruger sp 101 for his birthday. He can hold out until I arrive, but he has moved forward and now wants an AR of his own.

jr45
October 13, 2010, 01:09 PM
I am not one to stand in a line with my fellow arm bearers and take a fifty cal ball on some important part of my body because the leaders can't think of a better way to do it. If it is serious enough to go to war it better be serious enough to win.

Slight difference between the Red Coats and some contemporary government agency with flir, night vision, and hand held infrared vision and all kinds of air support. Either way who ever survives the what ever I will see you on the other side or I won't; only time and the situation will tell.

+1 for the above...very different fight. I do not know of any typical small arms that will even stop the surplus APCs given out or sold to local govs and collectors.

Arming my neighbors is a scary thought. I could imagine two of them, but as for the others, I would not trust them with slingshots.

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 13, 2010, 01:12 PM
+1 for the above...very different fight. I do not know of any typical small arms that will even stop the surplus APCs given out or sold to local govs and collectors.

And yet as we are seeing overseas, there are ways available to even the most backward savage that can stop our most advanced tanks and armored vehicles. But that's another discussion entirely.

Sky
October 13, 2010, 01:34 PM
There was a movie called "The Wind and the Lion" one of my all time favorites.

One of the lines in the movie; Wasurie The magnificent was complaining how his enemies use cannons and weapons that spew indiscriminate death at long ranges and these weapons had no honor.

The sword and the rifle he used were honorable but since he had no cannons his enemies were not honorable.

Whatever the situation may our enemies not be better armed than us.

bigalexe
October 13, 2010, 01:39 PM
Well I will be 100% honest. I only have 2 guns and their are 3 of us that live here so no neighbors are getting anything anyway.

I would never hand MY gun to someone who hadn't shot it before with me present.

W.E.G.
October 13, 2010, 01:41 PM
When some non-gun owning schlub shows up at my house in times of trouble, only "weapon" I'm gonna hand out is this.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd7/rkba2da/trivia/firecrackers.jpg

I'm sure it will be just as effective in their hands as an M16, and cannot be captured and used against me.

danprkr
October 13, 2010, 02:12 PM
My plan, hunker down and don't come knocking if you ain't prepared to take care of yourself. If it gets or looks like it might get even worse, boogie to buddy's ranch, we've been slowly preparing both our main residences and his place just in case. As to my neighbors, unless they bring something to the party, food, medicine, water, or arms, they're just more looters to me. Been here 2 years, and only one of them has done a decent thing or introduced themselves in all that time so tough noogies.

Azb
October 13, 2010, 02:25 PM
I'm training family members now, while ammo is easy to find and relatively cheap. Wife, daughter, nephew, and even getting my 85 year old dad back to the range to relearn his lost skills. My BIL is already a good shot, but he is miles away. My brother is a lost cause, he's afraid of guns. My sister can reload.

In a pinch, I can hopefully end up with at least one or more of these folks at my side.

Neighbors don't have any idea what I have or don't have. While they're nice folks and I would help any way I could, I have no idea what help they would be in an emergency and won't count on them for anything.

Az

SuperNaut
October 13, 2010, 03:10 PM
I've told this story before, but it is applicable to this thread. My neighbors and I have never spoken a word to each other about guns; we don't have to.

One night a few years ago the police were chasing a guy through our neighborhood. A little later, all the dogs in our cul-de-sac started barking I grabbed the shotgun and flipped on the yard lights and went out on the back deck to see what was going on. From my back deck I could see all of my backyard neighbors out on their decks, all armed with a wide variety of small arms. We all hung out for a few minutes looking over out the back yards, then we nodded and waved to each other and went back to bed.

This is Utah, don't worry about us, we'll be okay.

MrOldLude
October 13, 2010, 03:26 PM
If unarmed neighbors come to my door, they will be shot and preserved. I would be willing to share my "pork" jerky with the remaining neighbors if their food supplies get short.

lawboy
October 13, 2010, 04:30 PM
Last Sept., I was in my office in the house one night about 2 a.m. By brother was over and we were shooting the breeze and looking online at some modifications he was going to make to his car. All of a sudden, my house started shaking and it sounded like an earthquake was taking place. Last just a few seconds. I grabbed a pistol, grabbed another and shoved it into his hands, and we both ran out the front door to see if we could determine what the hell was going on. As we got down to the driveway past my privacy fence, I saw my west-side neighbor exiting his front door with a 12-gauge autoloader. We met on the sidewalk between our homes. #30 seconds later neighbors from around the block come speeding up in an SUV, tell us they are chasing some guys who tried to steal a car on their street, did we see them. No but one of them ran across my roof. SUV neighbor calls cops who come out, search yard.
Verdict: Neighbor to the west can borrow guns. Neighbor to the east, who did not even come out of the house, can pound sand. The other neighbors, verdict is still out, except the three hot sisters who live two houses down. I think I can work out some barter system with them ... :)

Tim the student
October 13, 2010, 04:45 PM
I doubt I'd need to arm most of my neighbors. Maybe the older woman next door, but I have a feeling her son has more than a few guns. If need be, she is welcome to come on over till she can join the rest of her family, but I doubt I'll be loaning her any guns.

fiat128
October 13, 2010, 04:47 PM
Every stat I ever see says about 50% of US households have guns and 50% don't. I also seem to remember reading that the average gun owner has about 5 guns. Seems like plenty of guns will be available to me if those stats are right.

I'm expecting that at least half of the neighbors have their own guns and those that don't would probably do what they are told to get one to protect their neighborhood (and their stuff).

Now, if there's an EMP event they will probably all be lined up in front of my house asking for a ride in one of my "old cars":0

joshk-k
October 13, 2010, 11:58 PM
I've got a tribe that I'll be with, and while it's never really been discussed at length, I know that I am by far the best armed of the group. I will happily bring plenty of guns and ammo to go around. I know others are bringing other things: skills, tools, supplies, spiritual powers, etc.

I would defend my neighbors' lives, but it would seem like it would probably be a waste to put a gun in their hands.

JOsh

LRS_Ranger
October 14, 2010, 02:23 AM
I hate to bring up the movies, but you know how it always goes down. They wind up with a bunch of scared people with no training and they slowly get picked off by the enemy, the elements, and even conflict from within. I think it's pretty accurate about how it would go down. You can't make a force without DISCIPLINE, which is sorely lacking in modern America. There is safety in numbers, but there is also a lot of danger, depending on the circumstances. I can take care of my family by myself, but the block can take care of themselves. It's not my fault if they didn't prepare.

cleardiddion
October 14, 2010, 04:17 AM
Honestly, I don't even know my neighbors.
Ok, I kinda know the ones downstairs because we lived in the same dorms freshman year but sure as the sun we're not buddy buddy.

What my education in Emergeny Management/Homeland Security has taught me is that people for the most part are ignorant, stupid, and whoefully unprepared. For example, one of the stories in my EM class that I've heard is about a woman who sat in front of her house after a hurricane. She was doing nothing except for making her behind conform to the shape of her chair when a reporter came up and asked what she was doing. What was her reply? "I'm waiting for FEMA to show up with water and such."

Mind you, this was merely hours after her home had been destroyed and she expected some authority to show up and magically provide all her needs.

I don't have a 9k acre parcel of land with all the goodies but prepardness has always been part of my mindset. Honestly, I can't even sleep if I don't have a stash of food and such somewhere within reach. Found out this is helpful even in non-disasters recently when I ran into some financial 'fun'. What I thought was originally about 4 days worth of food stretched into two weeks.

When it comes to guns, I think I'm pretty well set. Most of the people I hang around with are well armed but I supposed if someone in that circle needed a loaner I trust them. Everyone else? Forget it. Is it my fault they decided that they were above murphy? Not even close.

Gouranga
October 14, 2010, 07:25 AM
Depends on the scenario, if we are talking end of society SHTF, there is strength in a common defense. IF the freeloader has something to contribute, food, water, skillset, then yeah I would consider allowing a few folks to join up. Otherwise, sorry but no.

If you are talking like Hugo, Katrina, etc where your subdivision has become an island for a week to a few weeks, I have no problem helping out my neighbors. I would have no problem educating them as to what their "Big gov't will take care of me, guns are evil" mentality gave them. I have been in minor type situation before with an ice storm that cut us off for only a week. On day 3 some thugs started walking the streets of our neighborhood (came from 1 about 3/4 mile away), and looked to be casing the houses. I made a point to walk the streets as well OCing with my 40 (not threatening or touching the weapon and not staring them down, just walking). I did not show them where I lived, but I did show them that there was at least 1 home in the hood that would be defended. They suddenly decided to walk elsewhere.

I had more than a couple neighbors who did not own firearms tell me they were rethinking their conceptions on needing firearms for protection. Being cut off from police/fire for even a few days will make folks consider that.

mgkdrgn
October 14, 2010, 08:07 AM
I usually have enough Mosin Nagant 91/30's and ammo to go with them in inventory to equip a decent rifle squad. :evil:

parsimonious_instead
October 14, 2010, 08:19 AM
There's a scene in the movie The Road in which the Man and the Boy encounter some very evil-looking armed marauders "driving" a barely functional diesel rig.
After the movie ended (good movie, by the way), I reflected on that scene and the whole scenario of the film.
It occurred to me that these would be pretty stupid marauders, and only looked evil/scary for cinematic convenience.
Perhaps at the beginning of an apocalypse there'd be guys and gals like that, all showy and "intimidating" but after a few years of marauding luck would run out and the remaining ones would go low-profile, perhaps not even openly carrying weapons at all, actually appearing friendly and non-threatening at first to lull their intended victims.

esquare
October 14, 2010, 08:53 AM
The distribution of arms is going to vary greatly depending on the neighborhood. In my neighborhood most everyone will be fine when it comes to defense. Probably some neighborhoods around NYC/Chicago/LA/Seattle aren't.

We all love to talk guns during a disaster, but the big things are food, water, shelter, clothing, meds and other basic household goods.

cleardiddion
October 14, 2010, 09:19 AM
I forgot where I read this but it went something along the lines of:
"My survival kit consists of a rifle and a map of all the other people with survival kits" :p

sarge83
October 14, 2010, 09:21 AM
I have friends and relatives who claim if the SHTF they are coming to my house.

Most relatives would be welcome but some need to thinned out of the herd and their bad gene element eliminated from the family line. Friends with desirable skills would be welcome. As for arming neighbors, if I don't know them very well not happening. Otherwise I might find my own gun turned on me.

SKS's and Mosin's make wonderful barter items if you trust those whom you are bartering with...

As for the liberals and parasites in society, same as with the bad genes in the family, the herd needs to be thinned...

jay223
October 14, 2010, 10:10 AM
i only have one neighbor !!!! i dont see them much , but when i do they are cool !!!! his wife can cook so she can come cook with my wife,,,, he builds houses so he can help fortify my house ......... if he cant shoot his own guns then he aint shootin my guns !!!!! not completely ready for a shtf event , but the army tough me to survive in the harshest conditions....... my family and i will be fine !!!!!! i thank the army infantry training , but good old common sense helps too !!!!!!!!

mcdonl
October 14, 2010, 10:17 AM
Pretty much, most of my neighborhood has been involved in an ever increasing arms race for the past 10 years. I like handguns, my neighbors to the left and right of me (And I am pretty sure all but one other house in the "hood") are hunters, the guy directly across from me is ex military and has everything from AR's to a (Not Barrett) .50 rifle....

I am not friends with any of these people, but after 10 years you see who is wearing orange in November, we live adjacent to a large DOT owned pit/range/drill area that most of us shoot at.

My neighborhood also knows I am a FF/EMT, amateur tinkerer and generally capable man so I get folks asking me questions now and again. I like to know my neighbors, who they are and assess what threats if any they provide to me and my family. I also like to know what assets they could provide to me and my family in a time of need.

It is good to be a good neighbor, I think our world is lacking some of that.

MrOldLude
October 14, 2010, 10:25 AM
Last Sept., I was in my office in the house one night about 2 a.m. By brother was over and we were shooting the breeze and looking online at some modifications he was going to make to his car. All of a sudden, my house started shaking and it sounded like an earthquake was taking place. Last just a few seconds. I grabbed a pistol, grabbed another and shoved it into his hands, and we both ran out the front door to see if we could determine what the hell was going on. As we got down to the driveway past my privacy fence, I saw my west-side neighbor exiting his front door with a 12-gauge autoloader. We met on the sidewalk between our homes. #30 seconds later neighbors from around the block come speeding up in an SUV, tell us they are chasing some guys who tried to steal a car on their street, did we see them. No but one of them ran across my roof. SUV neighbor calls cops who come out, search yard.
Verdict: Neighbor to the west can borrow guns. Neighbor to the east, who did not even come out of the house, can pound sand. The other neighbors, verdict is still out, except the three hot sisters who live two houses down. I think I can work out some barter system with them ... :)

So you grabbed guns because maybe an earthquake was happening? That's....logical.

Or was it that somehow, you neighbor also heard someone running over your roof?

There's just a whole lot here that doesn't exactly make sense.

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 14, 2010, 10:49 AM
My first reaction to a natural disaster occurring would not be to run outside brandishing weapons...

phoglund
October 14, 2010, 10:54 AM
Everybody who has posted is going on the assumption they will be home when the emergency situation occurs. Most of us spend a fair amount of time away from our homes, often miles from our homes. Although some of us *cough*, keep firearms and supplies in our vehicles I expect most of our supplies are kept at home.

In the scenario where transportation is severely curtailed those of us at home may encounter folks who were prepared at home but are now on foot. Would you be willing to arm these folks...would you like to be armed if you ended up being one of these folks? If so...how would you tell?

That guy you turned away at gun point with words of disdain for his lack of preparedness being caught unarmed and untrained might be a grunt with 3 tours of combat that returned last week. He'd be pretty handy to have as a friend in troubled times.

P.S. On 'earthquake' comment. I think the post about the earthquake was referring to the effect of somebody running over his roof. His actions were a response to the running over the roof...the 'earthquake' was merely his way of conveying how loud and startling the event was.

Jonah71
October 14, 2010, 11:02 AM
I would be surprised if most of my neighbors were not armed. But I'd be extremely surprised if even half of them had 200 rounds. That's not sufficiently armed imo.

DAdams
October 14, 2010, 11:15 AM
I live in a large retirement community/subdivision. I would think the 50/50 rule (armed/quasi awareness vs clueless) applies since these folks are from all walks of life but mostly engineers, teachers, "upper middle class" and retired.

I have gotten to know my immediate neighbors, about 8 couples and with the exception of one, none of them have anything other than a large kitchen knife. The guy that does have his stuff slightly together will be gone to his place in the mountains if there are problems, for what that is worth.

So that leaves me.

Some have even professed a fear of firearms although they admit they probably should get a mindset change. I imagine that attitude has changed since the world hasn't ended with Barry in office as many thought it might. Most of them I think voted Obama although the bloom is off that rose for most.

We were having a get together around our fire pit the other night and I brought up mutual security and emergency response and thinking about a group "plan". It was met with a total lack of comprehension even though I loaned them One Second After and A World Made by Hand and (a couple had seen the movie The Road) in hopes of raising their awareness. These peoples nightmare scenario is running out of martini onions so they viewed these books primarily as Sci-Fi.
The lack of drugs hit home since many of these folks are 65+.

Even the ex military guy who was a medic and said he wanted his role to be medic, I will keep that in mind.

Most of these folks are retired Midwest liberals who worked for large corporations, Big Three, 3M etc and have pensions and SS. They still think that order in world will be maintained in any event.

We are somewhat prepared for perhaps a "90 day event", since we dealt with the hurricane preparedness mindset living in FL or 20 years.

Beyond that when the power goes out, the water stops flowing and the sewage treatment pumps stop working the fun is over and the work begins. Guns and ammo will be the least of my problems here in Suburban East TN.

I will probably share what I have for as long as I can with our "clueless" neighbors because in the grand scheme of things what difference does thirty days make if it is indeed some nightmare scenario.

Hey neighbor, don't forget to clean out the refrigerator, fill up the bathtubs, put ice in the coolers, box the liquor cabinet and bring the onions a first aid kit, flashlights and batteries and come on over. We can sleep 12 and then out come the inflatable beds.

Mainsail
October 14, 2010, 11:48 AM
I really have to ask. Where is everyone planning to bug-out to? The roads will be jammed with most of the unprepared folks trying to get to government hand-out sites or camps. The rest will probably be looting their homes.

The most likely scenario is an economic collapse like the one in Argentina. Read THIS (http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-survival-2005.html), it’s written by someone who lived through a real SHTF, not some glorified Hollywood Mad Max style version. Read his blog, and then compare what you’re doing to be prepared with what his real life experience has taught him. Frankly, I put a lot more stock in his opinion than some of the fantasies here.

What good are a safe full of guns if you’re so out of shape you cannot trot more than 20 yards before you keel over? What good is a pallet of ammunition (other than trading) if you’ve become so fat you need 15,000 calories a day just to keep your mood below homicidal?

harmon rabb
October 14, 2010, 11:52 AM
that's when i hand them the mosins ;)

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 14, 2010, 12:01 PM
Mainsail, that link is going to hurt a lot of feelings.

SuperNaut
October 14, 2010, 12:06 PM
Mainsail is spot-on, the global SHTF scenarios are the realm of sci-fi (beloved sci-fi, but still fiction). Teh majick gunses aren't going to get you through. Where and how deep is your emergency food/water supply? Also pretending that you can barter G&A during a short-term SHTF scenario is pure silliness.

Onward Allusion
October 14, 2010, 12:17 PM
Amen. That's why *I* do. Of course, you'll have folks who'll get on their high horse about how irresponsible keeping firearms in your vehicle is... The thing is, one doesn't know who they'll run across in those types of situations. I don't think many of us has... It also amuses me when I read posts from people who'll state that their neighbors are on their own...etc...etc. They'll probably be some of the first to end up dead.

phoglund (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=12061)
Everybody who has posted is going on the assumption they will be home
when the emergency situation occurs. Most of us spend a fair amount of time away from our homes, often miles from our homes. Although some of us *cough*, keep firearms and supplies in our vehicles I expect most of our supplies are kept at home.
In the scenario where transportation is severely curtailed those of us at home may encounter folks who were prepared at home but are now on foot. Would you be willing to arm these folks...would you like to be armed if you ended up being one of these folks? If so...how would you tell?

That guy you turned away at gun point with words of disdain for his lack of preparedness being caught unarmed and untrained might be a grunt with 3 tours of combat that returned last week. He'd be pretty handy to have as a friend in troubled times.

Onward Allusion
October 14, 2010, 12:32 PM
Rather than arming the neighborhood, get to know your neighbors and become friends or at least good acquaintances. If you hate your neighbors that much, you probably ought to move.

Case in point, I have an African American family next door that REALLY keep to themselves. I mean, it would be rare that they would even wave when they pull out of their driveway. I guess they don't feel too comfortable being the only African American family on our block.

Over the summer we had a power outage that lasted for 30 hours. Needless to say, the alarm system & all the security crap were pretty useless. I choose to stay home and work from home on my laptop. I saw the neighbor next door and he and his wife were getting ready to go to work but you can tell the concerned look on their faces. I approached them, re-introduced myself, offered to keep an eye on their home 'cause I was "working from home" and swapped cell phone numbers with them should anything weird come up. You should have seen their reaction... It was like I took a load off their shoulders.

NOW - whenever I see them, they make it a point to wave, say hello, and chat. The bottom line is that one small act of kindness will open doors. Guns are great but one's gotta sleep too. BTW, the guy next door turns out to be some financial manager with a MBA.

parsimonious_instead
October 14, 2010, 12:39 PM
Sky:

One of the lines in the movie; Wasurie The magnificent was complain how his enemies use cannons and weapons that spew indiscriminate death at long ranges and these weapons had no honor.

The sword and the rifle he used were honorable but since he had no cannons his enemies were not honorable

That was the filter through which the character saw something new and different.
To me, machine guns = suppressing fire and effectiveness against massed enemy troops.
Good artillery = interdiction and diminishing the effectiveness of a concentrated body of enemy troops.

They may look indiscriminate, but if used with skill they are anything but that...

parsimonious_instead
October 14, 2010, 12:40 PM
Onward: How did you keep the laptop battery going during the outage?

Onward Allusion
October 14, 2010, 01:13 PM
Car and UPS... for the car an inverter and 2 LONG cords hooked together from garage into my office - ran the car for about 10 minutes every hour with the garage door open. I didn't use it non-stop. I also had an extra fully charged battery. The UPS I already had in my office, so I disconnected everything from it and plugged in the laptop. Overall I was very surprised how long I was able to use the laptop. When I get the dollars together, I'm getting one of those natural gas powered generators. They run about $3K. I guess I will need to give up guns for a while for that.

I'll tell ya, it was a weird experience... no TV, Internet use sparingly thru my broadband wireless card (they suck power!). Couldn't open the fridge. No AC... no fans... It all sucked!

DAdams
October 14, 2010, 02:29 PM
Not to get off on an equipment tangent but a couple items that are often overlooked that should be in the stay at home emergency stash and come in handy in any event.....inverter 12 volt to 120 VAC and a batter powered scanner that monitors, police, EMS, Military, weather etc. And a couple 12 volt battery packs based on need/features.

kamagong
October 14, 2010, 07:28 PM
Arm strangers? Not me. I don't have that many guns to begin with, at the moment the number is down to seven. I have a 1911 for me and an AR, while the wife gets the other AR and the BHP or the other 1911. We'll keep the CZ 452 and Ruger 22/45 on hand as .22lr firearms would be worth their weight in gold in this situation. I don't want to sound callous, but I'm going to look out for mine first.

Joe Demko
October 14, 2010, 07:35 PM
The title of the thread should actually be "Forming an armed mob: What's your plan?"

At some point, probably sooner rather than later, order will be restored and folks will have to answer for their actions. I'd just as soon not have to explain what anybody else did with a gun that I gave him. Even if cleared of criminal charges, I don't need a civil suit on my hands. See, I'm a firm believer in trigger control and the best way for me to control the triggers on my guns is to make sure that my fingers are the only ones engaging them.

Old krow
October 14, 2010, 09:07 PM
The most likely scenario is an economic collapse like the one in Argentina.

I read it. Very informative. Thanks for posting that.

While I agree with what he said about dogs, because I love mine, if food prices rose to %200-300 owning (specifically feeding) Mastiffs would be very impractical. I'd be more likely to feed my neighbors to them as opposed to arming them, but I wouldn't suffer much in the way of home invasions.

I heard Army Ranger once say that in a true survival situation, perhaps not an economic collapse, one of the number one immediate dangers would be hypothermia.

Iam2taz
October 14, 2010, 09:36 PM
Just moved in to my neighborhood a few months ago. Not too long afterwards I was putting a safe in the house. It was too heavy for my son and I alone. Soooo... I asked the neighbor, who asked the other neighbor. Dang safe was very heavy! We got it inside and n#1 says to n#2, well its not quite a big as the two I have in my basement. N#2 says it the same model as his. We had a nice tactical discussion. If we are home, don't come down the cul-de-sac. Five of the seven homes are armed and in good shape.
N#3 is a deer hunter. N#4 is sort of a pain, but neighbor #1 says he can shoot very well.
If I am at work, it is a 3 minute scramble to get the wife and kid. We leave everything except our g.o.o.d. stuff. Load the 4x4 and hit the back roads to family in the hills. We have one large river to cross after that we can walk a couple hundred miles if we have too. I am looking for another weapon for my son! (Excuse to spend $$ and visit more gun stores!) Wife can shoot the shot gun and 9mm fairly well.
I guess the main points are: #1 Get to know your neighbors. I am blessed with solid gun owning neighbors, but I am not going to run to them. (Unless it is to help.)
#2 Have a plan.

hill.country
October 14, 2010, 10:03 PM
I really have to ask. Where is everyone planning to bug-out to? The roads will be jammed with most of the unprepared folks trying to get to government hand-out sites or camps.

...

The most likely scenario is an economic collapse like the one in Argentina. Read THIS (http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2008/10/thoughts-on-urban-survival-2005.html)

Thank you for posting this. It was a very interesting read.

That and phoglund's questions as to:

Everybody who has posted is going on the assumption they will be home when the emergency situation occurs.
...
In the scenario where transportation is severely curtailed those of us at home may encounter folks who were prepared at home but are now on foot. Would you be willing to arm these folks...would you like to be armed if you ended up being one of these folks?

were enough for me to hit the 'subscribe' button. Of course there are so many different scenarios that any 'blanket' answer is probably worth much less than a blanket would be. But I do wonder, if away from home when a major collapse occurred, transportation curtailed or prohibited (and enforced), and seeming how some seem to advocate shooting people who knock on their door, how would you try to convince others that you're an asset worth arming and/or protecting?

jpwilly
October 15, 2010, 01:28 AM
I have mine handy just in case they get the itch.

PS must be nice to have good neighbors! Wonder what that's like?!

Ole Coot
October 15, 2010, 09:44 AM
In my area I don't know of a home that isn't armed and in this area I would bet 99.9% of the households have firearms. As to ammo that is never talked about, enough to do me is the answer you'll get if you ask. As to my neighbors the only thing they might possibly need would be extra ammo and I have my doubts about that.

Hatterasguy
October 16, 2010, 03:07 PM
Nah I'm going to turn them into an army, and guns won't cut it, I'd need armored vehicles. Than I'm going to declare myself a war lord and work on making a little kingdom for myself.:neener::D

Sky
October 16, 2010, 03:17 PM
Who was it that said, "Arm the guys to fight and die but leave the women with me"? Think it was some Chinese Emperor with 5000 Concubines? What a logistic nightmare!

trigun87
October 18, 2010, 02:21 AM
I don't think I will arm neighbors not comofortable placing a gun in the hand of an unexpereinced person even under my own supervision. I have been on my soap box telling friends,family,neighbors to prep for anything natural disaster,economic collapse. Most people live in fantasy land in which nothing bad can happen. So they dont get a generator,power inverter, extra food and water. In my opinon the basics; not even firearm related, so when they start starving after a couple of weeks Im turning the other cheek.

22-rimfire
October 18, 2010, 09:20 AM
I keep an inverter in my work vehicle for extended laptop use on the go. I need to make or pickup a portable desk for field use in my vehicle as well. Working on your lap gets old. I also have several generators and a substantial amount of extension cord length should the need arise to run things like the frig, freezer, computer, and a few lights (as needed). The inverters often don't sell very well in stores and you can find them on sale from time to time. The next step is to set up my home electrical system with a plug so I can plug the whole house into a generator with selective items being used.

I doubt there will be much significant bartering of guns and ammo in anything other than a total collapse which is not likely to happen. Will guns be more valuable with runaway inflation? Sure, as will everything else.

What I would choose to do with neighbors would depend on the situation.

hardworker
October 18, 2010, 10:29 AM
Short of zombie apocalypse or nuclear holocaust, I don't see how people are ever going to need to survive long term in the wilderness. And even then, the thousands of rounds of ammo saved up are going to be too heavy to carry unless it's for a 22 of some sort.

dajowi
October 18, 2010, 10:42 AM
The last thing that I would want is for half the neighborhood to know that I keep guns in my house. Although I live in a great state, where hunting, CC, OC, CIII are enjoyed by a large percentage of individuals, good neighbors or bad it seems that desecration is the best policy.

If there was some type of national catastrophe of the worst kind how many people live in homes that could endure some type of determined attack upon the occupants?

Onward Allusion
October 18, 2010, 12:11 PM
^^^^^^

Doesn't have to be a national emergency. A trucking strike, a shipping strike, or a destruction of a couple of major ports or transportation hubs and you'll have major problems like food shortages in cities in 1 week. Remember, it doesn't have to be SHTF or anything even close.

I remember when we got a really bad storm 2 summers ago and I went down to the local Home Depot for a backup sump pump - just in case. I guess I had a lot of folks in the area that already hit the "just in case" scenario and they really needed the sump pump 'cause the shelves were bare except for one in the hands of some guy in front of me. If it was a true SHTF situation and it was something important like antibiotics, I'm sure someone would have shot him in the head for it without blinking twice.

I would rather arm my neighbors (those that I know) and have them with me.

cleardiddion
October 18, 2010, 03:52 PM
I found a picture with a caption on my computer the other day that kinda reflected my views on arming neighbors.

'Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Give a man a pole and he starves to death because he didn't have a sinker.'

What I mean by this is that even in crisis where your neighbors are lined up around the block and beg for whatnot, what makes you think that they even know which end to point at the threat?

JMusic
October 18, 2010, 05:55 PM
My rural neighborhood would be like walking into Faluga in 1994.

Sky
October 18, 2010, 06:22 PM
The article on Argentina was very well written.

We were going to Buenos Aries and Rio a few years back but a friend from there told me about people getting robbed, hurt, and killed so we passed.

Like the article said it does not happen over night but one day you wake up and find out that over time things have changed and your life is not like it was last year.

Cearbhall
October 18, 2010, 07:21 PM
Judging from the amount of gunfire I hear every New Years Eve and July 4th, I'd say my neighborhood is already pretty well armed.

staggerlee213
October 18, 2010, 07:24 PM
Judging from all the gunfire, my neighborhood is armed enough.

staggerlee213
October 18, 2010, 07:26 PM
Cearbhall: I wonder if we are neighbors!

stevelyn
October 19, 2010, 02:28 AM
Neighbors are already armed. Getting them to fight cohesively would be another matter. Hell, most the VFD members can't even operate in a coordinated fashion.

one45auto
November 21, 2010, 04:50 PM
I've had similar remarks directed toward me from co-workers and acquaintances, comments about how they'll all come to my house when things go south because I've got all the guns, food, and water..yada yada yada....however I tell them all the same thing - don't even waste your time. They've had the same opportunity as myself to think ahead and make preparations. If they didn't then oh well, that's thier mistake. I simply will not suffer fools - or parasites. Family and loved ones I'd look after, but everyone else would be on their own. I'm not arming anyone.


Besides, given the general political climate (with respect to guns) of the area I live in, and the actions and attitudes of my neighbors, I'd say that the vast majority of them either don't own a firearm or if they do, they know next to nothing about it and simply bought it and tossed it into a drawer to be forgotten. More than likely they'd be lining up to sleep on some Red Cross cot in a gymnasium somewhere or waiting around for someone in authority to tell them what to do and/or rescue them from their predicament.

ChCx2744
November 21, 2010, 05:08 PM
Besides immediate family and a chosen few friends that live close by, I would not arm my neighbors. If I had a bunch of extra guns that I could not take with me (If on the move) I would, but I don't. Speaking from what would happen in MY situation to ME and MY home, I physically wouldn't be able to provide anything. Not trying to sound greedy, but I gotta cover my own 6 first.

Erik M
November 21, 2010, 05:14 PM
I don't know most of my neighbors. I don't particularly like most of the ones that I do know. I'm not arming any of them.

R
This is my opinion as well. When the wind blows, creek rises, and SHTF I am packing wife and weapons up and heading to my dads retirement house, a ridgetop cabin in the middle of nowhere.

smallbore
November 21, 2010, 08:47 PM
My wife and I are prepared, as are our children/their spouses. The rest of our family members are scattered are prepared to fend for themselves. There are also a good number of others in my neighborhood that are just as prepared as the misses/myself. As for the rest of 'em. .good luck.

therewolf
November 22, 2010, 02:10 AM
Arm the neighborhood?How about feed and logistically support them through the crisis as well?Everybody plans it out with guns beforehand, but thinks nothing of a defensive location with interlocking fields of fire, or enough food or water for a siege, or how to generate power or heat. Or a structurally enhanced home,etc.

It appears that we are hedonistic, rather than realistic, about true survival, should the SHTF in actual terms. Yeah, we have guns, shoot,hoard ammo,etc. But that's as far as it usually really goes.

One sad fact is that if the SHTF there ARE going to be two types of people:
The ones shooting, and the ones getting shot. I guess I can only hope I'm the former, and not the latter.

I CCW, but I'm really only a range shooter,anyway. There I said it.:scrutiny:

RDak
November 22, 2010, 08:34 AM
Most of my neighbors are armed and those who aren't will get my help in a heartbeat.

They are my friends.

A couple of close unarmed neighbors have asked me this question jokingly (but with a serious undertone) and I told them they have nothing to worry about, I will provide them with firearms to protect themselves and their families.

One of the wives ran up and hugged me the next time she saw me and I had to ask what that was all about. LOL! (They are raising one of their grandchildren and are not gun saavy.....but not against guns for anyone else.)

Wedge
November 22, 2010, 11:58 AM
One neighbor will get help in a heartbeat. I don't know for sure if he owns anything, he is pro 2A for sure though. We already look out for each other on a very regular basis and are good friends. Come to think of it, I should have the defensive conversation with him. I don't see a protracted siege taking place, but a week long supply disruption and potential for non-residents to make their way into our subdivision would necessitate looking out for each other.

All of my other friends live too far away, one in particular I would like to see get armed before there is an emergency.

Neighbors in general, no. Close friends, yes.

skwab
November 22, 2010, 01:32 PM
It is difficult and expensive enough to prepare for yourself and for your family, the rest of the neighborhood is on their own. If we find ourselves in a major SHTF scenario, I don't think arming my neighbors and forming a posse is a good thing. If they haven't seen the writing on the wall and have failed to make preparations for themselves and their families, there's just not much I can do except hope that FEMA gets to them in time.

mcdonl
November 22, 2010, 01:50 PM
Love this line.... lol

From the article on Argentina....

And this guy is a firearms instructor?… probably the kind of guy that will say that a handgun is only used to fight his way to his rifle… and his facial night cream…

Red Cent
November 22, 2010, 02:10 PM
Some of us live in states that if a state of emergency was posted we could not transport firearms. I believe if a state of emergency was posted based on the thoughts of some posterss, martial law would be declared. It will get really interesting to see if they would attempt to disarm us.

Caleb4387
November 22, 2010, 04:29 PM
I live in North florida. if it got bad I would try to make it to my friends place in missippi. he has 485 acres of heavy forest rolling hills and swamp. Plenty of Deer, rabbits, squirells, coons turkey hogs and stray dogs for food as well as a lake with bass bream and catfish. He has the edvantage of knowing the place and has an ar 15, 1911, 357, 243 and many othe guns stacked up plus tons and tons of ammo. beetween his and my weapons i think we could hold out for awhile against the average rioters and looters.

2ndAmFan
November 22, 2010, 05:10 PM
Since I live out in the boonies and I have some...um, interesting neighbors I'm not sure a neighborhood plan is really all that feasible. None of my neighbors lives closer than 1/2 mile away. Of my closest neighbors, one is rabidly anti-gun, the others seem to have a great many more guns and a lot more ammo than I do judging by the amount of firing I occasionally hear on weekends. The anti informed me that both the M1 Garand and SKS are selective fire weapons and therefore illegal,(?) but was kind enough to tell me that as long as he didn't see me or any of my family/friends with them he wouldn't call the Sheriff's Dept. I don't own a Garand and I was holding an SKS at the time he told me it is an illegal weapon . Since he had no idea what kind of gun I was holding and hasn't shown any inclination to listen to me when I've talked about guns with him I pretty much just try to be polite if he decides to stop and pontificate on firearms with me anymore.
I spoke with one of the weekend shooters once and he was of the opinion that he could take care of himself and his family. My attempt to speak with one of the others was less successful (He was decidedly unfriendly) so I figure my family and I are on our own. No big deal, but I wonder if it occurred to the neighbors I talked to that since my place is closest to the County Road, if some BGs get through us they are likely to head for their places next. It would be nice to have a plan with my neighbors but it doesn't seem to be in the cards.

wally
November 22, 2010, 05:25 PM
Talking to the neighbors in the aftermath of Hurricane Ike, seems like our neighborhood could arm a respectable banana republic, so I doubt I'd need to worry about it :)

Shadow 7D
November 22, 2010, 06:21 PM
Sorry, but, if non family (and some of the family...) come to my place, it's a pay for play sort of arrangement, might get me a nice platoon out of it, and if they don't like it, well there is the door, and soon the gate if you lazy bums ever finish the palisade.

goon
November 22, 2010, 06:38 PM
Arming my neighbors? Not a chance. I simply don't have the money to even arm myself as I would like to.

One thing I am willing to do though is spend $2 or so on a box of .22 ammo. I have introduced a lot of people to shooting (mostly other college students) that way and consider that an investment. If that $2 causes them to become comfortable with guns, own a couple, and take an active interest in their own well-being, then it was money well spent.
Additionally, our conversations about guns or shooting on the weekend make it to other people. Those people sometimes say something like "I've never shot a gun". To which I reply, "We can remedy that next weekend if you're not busy..."
If the people in question are not rabidly anti-gun, you'd be surprised how far a little curiousity can take you.
Later, they might say something like "I don't see why people need AK-47's." This gives me an opening to explain precisely why such guns are among the most important type of weapon you could own. They may not agree at first, but it gets them thinking. I know a lot about history and can generally sling out some cases when unarmed people were killed for lack of the ability to fight back. I also cite "Night" by Elie Wiesel a lot - in particularly, how no one believed the Germans were coming to murder everyone until it was too late. It gets wheels turning.
So I guess this is how I go about arming my neighbors.

daorhgih
November 22, 2010, 08:25 PM
I rcvd. a nice "survivalist" catalog some time ago, and a lot of items seemed useful, although a bit pricey. So I made my own. My favorite is a "sounding device" made from a shotgun shell, a strap hinge, a wood-screw, and some lay-about springs and parts. If anyone / -thing trips the wire, I am alerted. These are not placed to kill or injure, although they could be. And one might also dispense various gases if required, at the same time. I am quite comfortable with my wife and kids in our house, but I do like to know when "company" is coming.

Sport45
November 22, 2010, 08:37 PM
I am amazed that this SHTF thread is still around. I figured it was one of the Halloween exceptions to the rule. :)

mustang_steve
November 22, 2010, 08:38 PM
No firearms for them....My collection was designed to fill specific needs in.

Anywho, most of my neighbors don't even know I own firearms. I don't advertise such things, as in this area it can lead to a far higher risk of burglary.

Russ Jackson
November 22, 2010, 08:42 PM
My one neighbors wife mows the lawn and rakes the leaves. I think she bbq's as well. Pretty sure they don't have a sharp knife in the house. The other one goes to the range with me and has a good selection. I have a cabin and 35 acres and am set up for my immediate family. I love to cook for large groups. Everyone says my house is the place to go if it ever happens but I will be long gone. They just don't know it...Russ

2ndAmFan
November 22, 2010, 09:02 PM
Thanks daorhgih (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?u=60581). It's always best to know when uninvited company is coming.

22-rimfire
November 22, 2010, 09:27 PM
From what I have seen in my area, survival will not be for lack of guns but lack of fuel, food, clean water, and basic medicines. If you require meds daily, I suspect you will be out of luck and will have to make do one way or the other. I doubt that in most cases having more than a box or two of ammo and knowing how to shoot that gun is all that is necessary. I'll leave the tactical stuff for the younger guys. If they use their "tactics" on me, well, we'll just have to see how that works out. But I predict I win because you have to be willing to pull the trigger when it becomes necessary (not just look like you might).

When I was in high school I got picked on.... skinny introverted country kid in a snobby city school.... one day I had enough and stood my ground and never had the least problem after that.

Rembrandt
November 22, 2010, 09:46 PM
The practical side of me says to make them trade something that's really dear to them.....like their pets. This indicates a sincere need and desperation for a firearm.....at the same time it provides me with a ready source of jerky meat.

22-rimfire
November 22, 2010, 09:49 PM
Sounds like a great use for a pitbull.

BHP FAN
November 22, 2010, 09:57 PM
first, you have to ask yourself how loyal they really are, and how long it will be before someone you armed asks ''who put you in charge''?

Sky
November 22, 2010, 11:00 PM
I have friends/acquaintances that are from one end of the cool aid spectrum to the dark abyss of frantic paranoia.

One of my paranoid friends has a great defensive location with a steady meat supply and all the fish you can catch.

He has more guns and ammo than he could ever give away and has always told me that if we enter into a true SHTF I am invited to his place. I am actually flattered. My place ain't bad but nothing like his.

To a lessor degree I have friends who have the Generators that can run an entire house, food for a couple of months and are still stocking ammo.

Others has a survival 22 that they have not shot in "like forever" and others if given a day they might be able to find the gun somewhere and maybe even a bullet!

Preparedness is a state of mind for some. A comfort level is reached and that is the world they live in; time will tell who is correct reading tea leafs or prognosticating a future event based on world events.

I remember all the fall-out shelters that were built when I was a kid but none were used except for the occasional tornado and a play hide-out.

We are at a different time in history now and who knows what tomorrow will bring; there are always things we could do for a "what if scenario" and strength in numbers should always be a consideration..

If you do not take care of yourself then there is no way you can help others. Just depends on your belief system I guess.

788Ham
November 23, 2010, 12:42 AM
I concur with that last statement Sky! I don't let anyone in my neighborhood know I have any firearms, a couple 'might" know, but for the most part, we ain't cozy with any of them. That's just the way this 'hood is, a lot of younger folks raising families, which is okay, but I think they all live for the moment, not tomorrow. I've got plenty stashed away, for me and mine! Not knowing any of the folks on either side, or across the street, guess we'll see how they manage to get by. Being in the military years ago, some folks I don't trust with a firearm when I'm not looking, and sleeping?, HA, don't think I'll get much in that regard! I've got family within 30 miles, but if the roads are clogged, *** good is family that far away? My brother lives in the hills, plenty of game running around to eat, but again, getting there. I need to stock some more canned goods and water, having an open space to the West of the house would be ok for a short-short, but when all the weirdo's start showing up, there goes the neighborhood! LOL Kidding here. I won't be buying anyone any firearms from this household, if you can't think for yourself, then you'll have to feel. Sorry to feel this way, but the liberals and Leftwingers have hardened my skin and feelings in this regard, too late!

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