Arsenal AK in 5.56 or Sig 556 Classic


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InkEd
October 12, 2010, 03:41 PM
I have narrowed it down to these two rifles. (Please no other suggestions)

Which would you guys suggest for just a range toy.

FWIW the AK is about $700 and the Sig is about $1000.
I can't decide if the extra money is worth it.

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nalioth
October 12, 2010, 04:35 PM
It's a no-brainer.

This thread is a waste of electrons, IMHO.



The SIG, of course.

Halv
October 12, 2010, 04:43 PM
I would go arsenal, Its cheaper, and has the AK reliability. The 5.45's and 5.56's are actually quite accurate too. Plus IMO there is no better looking gun then an AK. Ive been considering an SGL-31 personally.

wojownik
October 12, 2010, 04:51 PM
For a range toy, just plinking and blasting downrange, I'd go with the Arsenal - cheaper rifle, cheaper ammo.

For a bit more accuracy, though, the Sig 556 is said to be better. Do you already have an AR? To be honest, I've been wrestling over the 556 classic since they've dropped the price, but between my AKs and ARs, I think I'm pretty well covered.

Hizzie
October 12, 2010, 05:01 PM
The SIG. Better ergo, uses cheap AR mags, more accurate.

docnyt
October 12, 2010, 05:20 PM
More fun factor with the SIG but the Arsenal is also a good choice. The SIG has come down a lot in price recently so it's a best buy.

kwelz
October 12, 2010, 05:22 PM
5.56 AKs are not the most reliable AKs. The main problem is magazines They can be very hit or miss. I am not a hige fan of the Sig 556 but of the 2 it is a better option.

deadduck357
October 12, 2010, 05:22 PM
Both...

Gelgoog
October 12, 2010, 05:48 PM
5.56 AKs are not the most reliable AKs. The main problem is magazines They can be very hit or miss.

Only if your buying **** mags. It's circle 10 or nothing...and if you buy circle 10s then you will not likely have any problems.

Both rifles are reliable platforms and a better choice then an AR15 IMHO.

InkEd
October 12, 2010, 06:34 PM
Yeah not an AR-15 fan.

I plan to go and fondle them both at the large store in town. They probably won't have any Arsenal AKs but for overall ergos, I think I can get a good enough idea.

I really want to do something in 5.56 but Ive heard about 5.56 AKs not being the best reliablity. Is this a problem with the higher quality ones like the Arsenal or more of a Century Golani type issue?

My concern for the Sig is the magazine release (shoot lefty) being awkward. The AK is very lefty friendly.

Still looking for owner feedback about both guns. Likes and Dislikes?

Quentin
October 12, 2010, 06:49 PM
Well definitely not the SIG, to me it looks like an AR/AK hybrid and offers no real advantage over an AR in that price range.

I'd be interested in the Arsenal because I love my 7.62x39 AK but at that price for 5.56mm I'd rather kick in a couple hundred for a good AR. Sorry, I know you don't like them but I do. :D

nalioth
October 12, 2010, 06:56 PM
I really want to do something in 5.56 but Ive heard about 5.56 AKs not being the best reliablity. Is this a problem with the higher quality ones like the Arsenal or more of a Century Golani type issue?Well, Century is responsible for this (is that a surprise?).

They shipped thousands of SAR-3s and WASR-3s with East German 5.45x39 magazines that had been painted and had their floorplates stamped ".223".

Unfortunately, it takes more than paint and a stamp set to overcome geometry, as stuffing 5.56x45 cartridges in a 5.45x39 magazine will lead to failure every time.

The above snafu is single-handedly responsible for the ".223 AKs suck" myth floating around, IMHO.

As Gelgoog pointed out, if you use quality magazines designed for .223 ammo, you'll not have any issues.

On another note, statistically 5.56x45 is less reliable in an AK due to the shape of the cartridge. This statistic is interesting, but doesn't effect real-world usage.

JHansenAK47
October 12, 2010, 07:13 PM
5.56 AKs are not the most reliable AKs. The main problem is magazines They can be very hit or miss.
The 556 AK mags were never standardized like the 545 or 762x39 mags were. So they don't all interchange.
Either way if it is an Arsenal you have to use bulgarian spec mags. So cry once and get the nice bulgarian waffle mags. The bulgarian rifles did have teething issues when they came out. The current mags are 3rd generation. Long story short they are much more reliable now.
My 106FR has been a great rifle. I would definitely get another if I didn't have the one I have now.
My concern for the Sig is the magazine release (shoot lefty) being awkward. The AK is very lefty friendly.

It's pretty easy to work the mag release with your right thumb and strip your mag with your right hand.

Girodin
October 12, 2010, 08:50 PM
Sig to the best of my knowledge doesn't give money to Harry Reid. That is enough to sway me apart from any other considerations.

I like AKs but would rather have the Sig. It is the better rifle IMHO. Even if I decided I was going to get an AK over the Sig I wouldn't get the Arsenal.

briansmithwins
October 12, 2010, 08:58 PM
I had a SLR106FR (5.56 Arsenal AK) that I sold only because

1) 7.62x39 ammo is the price of 5.56 ammo.
2) Buddy offered me crazy money for it.

The SLR106FR is a very nice rifle. If I needed another 5.56 rifle it would be high on my list. I agree about only buying the ((10)) mags for it. Other are going to be hit or miss.

My only reason for dismissing the Sig rifle is (from what I've read on the interwebs) is that Sig too a proven military design and tried to see how cheaply they could make it for the US civ market. The SLR106FR is very close (just lacking FA capability) to the rifle Arsenal Bulgaria makes for countries that want 5.56 AK rifles.

BSW

Averageman
October 12, 2010, 09:02 PM
Everyone eventually buys a Lemon.
I got a Lemon Sig 556 Patrol Swat. It is at the Sig Shop and it has been there for about 3 weeks. The essential question is why it left the shop Q/C in the condition it was.
Buying a Sig hasn't been a highlight of my Rifle shooting.
I havent got a message back from Sig, but I did get an offer to buy Sig magazines for almost twice what I would pay for a better quality AR magazine.
I left this for the Sig big wigs.

Mr. Lavertu;
I am having serious issues with my Sig 556 and it is currently back with your armorer. I contacted Sig with a list of items for repair and to be honest I'm not your happiest customer right now.
Before sending me an offer that would cause me to spend more money, fix the rifle I had to send back to you that should have never left the factory Q/C.
Thanks
Averageman

FMJMIKE
October 12, 2010, 09:11 PM
Arsenal AK in 7.62 X 39 would be my choice. Lots of mags and relatively inexpensive ammo too.
:D

InkEd
October 12, 2010, 09:31 PM
I think the scale may be tipping toward the Arsenal AK.

Mr.Davis
October 12, 2010, 09:37 PM
I personally would get the Sig. It's because I don't have an AK and would want my first to be a traditional AK caliber, such as 7.62x39 or 5.45x39. Kind of like buying a 9mm 1911 before getting a .45.

Also, keep in mind that the Sig is selling for insanely low prices right now. Buds has price drops of $400 plus in effect. What I'm saying is that the Sig is on sale, and there's no guarantee it'll stay this low.

nalioth
October 12, 2010, 09:38 PM
Arsenal AK in 7.62 X 39 would be my choice. Lots of mags and relatively inexpensive ammo too.You're kidding, right?

The SIG uses M16/AR15 mags.

. . and the "inexpensive ammo" is only inexpensive until the Zero signs the appropriate piece of paper.

nwilliams
October 12, 2010, 10:00 PM
Flip a coin or buy one of each, you can't go wrong with either choice and as far as accuracy is concerned the AK isn't going to be that much less accurate than the Sig. The advantage of the Sig is that it's a better platform if mounting an optic is in your game plan.

I really love my Sig 556 Classic. Got it brand new from Buds a couple weeks ago for $971 and it came with the rear diopter sight and red dot, a smokin' deal I think.

However I love my Arsenal SLR-95 as well, both guns have a very different feel ergonomically and I shoot the AK differently than I do the Sig. While the Sig 55x platform is very similar to an AK they are two very different guns which is why I plan to keep them both.

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/nwilliams27/Sig-556/sig556-8.jpg

Kurt_D
October 13, 2010, 01:33 AM
Got both, would buy both again... My only regret, not waiting until the Sig dropped in price. Who knew?

Circle 10 mags for the 106 and P-mags for the Sig; can't beat it.

rd2007
October 13, 2010, 02:04 AM
I would say SIG 556 because an AK just has to be 7.62x39 for me. It would be like getting the 556 in .308 or something like that. It's just not right.
Besides, the SIG is a very sweet AK dressed up nice and pretty and shoots the 5.56/.223 round..

InkEd
October 13, 2010, 04:18 AM
The Sig is darn pretty. I let you know what I decide this afternoon.

InkEd
October 13, 2010, 04:22 AM
OneIOns last concern is the Sig556 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel. How big of a concern is that?

nalioth
October 13, 2010, 04:28 AM
OneIOns last concern is the Sig556 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel. How big of a concern is that?What barrel does it have?

Chrome lining is something purists holler for, cuz Uncle Sugar (and the Comrade Chairman) uses'em.

If you plan on shooting corrosive ammunition and/or leaving your rifle out in the back yard pig waller and never, ever cleaning it, then yeah, you might want a chrome lined barrel (along with a chrome-plated rest-of-the-gun).



On another line of thought . . .

. . . why are you dissing SIG? They don't produce junk by any means.

Coal Dragger
October 13, 2010, 05:02 AM
I'd go for the SIG myself, and as for the concerns about not using a chrome lined bore and chamber keep in mind that SIG uses cold hammer forged barrels. That process tends to result in a pretty hard, pretty durable barrel. SIG may also be nitride treating the bore interiors but don't hold me to that.

InkEd
October 13, 2010, 11:25 AM
Well, I will be heading to the store later today. I want to handle both before making a final decision. I am convinced both will be excellent. The Sig mag release is probably going to be the deciding factor.

wojownik
October 13, 2010, 05:27 PM
+1 on handling them both in person. I did the same thing earlier today (this thread got me all motivated).

Handling the Sig 556 was the deciding factor ... I just did not take to it.

Let us hear your impressions after you handle both...

InkEd
October 13, 2010, 07:32 PM
I felt the exact opposite. Rifle felt great to me. Now the proud owner of a Sig 556 Classic with Red dot and Rear Rotorary Sight.

The only thing that doesn't just impress the heck out of me is the magazine. Not a huge deal because it will accept standard AR mags!

Will give a range report in a week or two when I'm off work on a Saturday.

wojownik
October 13, 2010, 09:32 PM
Congrats on your new purchase! Enjoy!

Averageman
October 13, 2010, 11:08 PM
Oh and as an update, I called Sig today and they claim to have only had my rifle for 9 days and havent got to it yet. They asked for two to three more weeks.
Hmmmmmmm now aint that special...?
I dunno, I like the whole idea, maybe I just got a lemon, but there have been more than just mine turn out that way.
Sig 556 has it's own forum, take a look.

InkEd
October 14, 2010, 01:02 AM
I've heard a few problems BUT it seem to mostly be with older
models.

Also, I bought mine locally (cost a whole $9.01 more than the best online
price) and checked it out for any of the QC issues I read about that could be noticed with a visual inspection.

Rifle seem extremely well made and the fit and finish are excellent.

Coal Dragger
October 14, 2010, 01:15 AM
Also keep in mind that internet forums are going to be places where people go to kvetch about a product that is not living up to their hopes or standards. You see a lot of complaints on forums from those seeking advice on what they feel to be unsatisfactory products, for every one of them complaining there are probably several hundred that don't.

Take for example my own kvetching about the Cooper Model 52 I purchased last month with a slightly bead blasted bore interior near the crown of the muzzle. A simple little slip up in manufacturing happened when the rubber plug used to protect the bore interior wore out or came loose. An honest mistake that almost never ever happens, I just happened to get one where it did. Now I'm waiting on a re-barrel after owning the rifle for less than two weeks, and one of those weeks was spent with the nice folks at UPS.

I'm ticked off about it. Big time. So I'll complain about it loudly to all who will listen until the issue is resolved to my satisfaction.

If Cooper turns that rifle around in time for deer season, and it shoots like it should (1/2 minute of angle guaranteed) then I'll praise their customer service until I'm blue in the face to anyone who will listen. Heck I'd even write an endorsement for their website about how they make things right should a problem arise. Until then, complaining is what I'll be doing....

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