.460 Lever action?


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Panzercat
October 12, 2010, 06:18 PM
Are these even made? What are the brands? A quick glance at google (as quick as work allows) seems to turn up discussions, but never any specific makers. I ask, does anybody make a .460 lever action rifle?

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Dr T
October 13, 2010, 12:00 AM
Never seen one, but it is not a bad idea. The problem is finding a lever action that can handle the pressure. The 460 S&W is pretty hot.

Ridgerunner665
October 13, 2010, 12:04 AM
The only lever action that I would trust to hold it is the Browning BLR.

peptoe
October 13, 2010, 02:28 AM
I'm wondering if theres one coming from Marlin coming, since hornady has already made leverevolution for it. I understand they're coming out with a 410 on their 1895 action, 20 guage would ideal but would require a new design I'm sure.

Ridgerunner665
October 13, 2010, 02:36 AM
I'm wondering if theres one coming from Marlin coming, since hornady has already made leverevolution for it

No...the Marlin action won't take that much pressure.

The 460 runs at 65,000 psi...thats the same as many belted magnum rifles (and 5,000 psi more than the 500 S&W)

They would have to design a whole new action...and I don't see that happening.

Panzercat
October 13, 2010, 03:30 PM
Rossi can do the .454s reliably (gunblast long term reports over two years their original Puma hasn't had a hickup). Likewise, there's the Big Horn Armory Model 89 500 s&w (below). The action can handle the loads, just I guess there's no perceived demand :\

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Bighorn89/DSC00158.JPG

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
October 13, 2010, 03:50 PM
I'm wondering if theres one coming from Marlin coming, since hornady has already made leverevolution for it

Nope, the 450 is the "biggest" Leverevolution cartridge to date seen here



450 MARLIN 325 GR FTX LEVEREVOLUTION
SKU: 82750 | 20/BX

Sheepdog1968
October 13, 2010, 03:53 PM
Check out Wild West Guns. I know they've got some other cartridges for the big bores based on mods but I can't rememeber what they are.

hardluk1
October 13, 2010, 05:39 PM
Doesn't the 450 marlin or 45/70 that BB loads get the job done with much heaver loads that the 460 can only think about with less pressure.

CraigC
October 14, 2010, 01:59 PM
The 1886 can handle the pressure but the .45/70 is a better cartridge anyway, especially in that size action. None of the other traditional levergun actions can handle the pressure/length.

The Big Horn is the only platform capable at present but as I said, if you're going with a cartridge the length and diameter of the .460, the .45/70 is just plain better with existing rifles already flooding the market. At a street price of around $2000, who wants a .460 when they can have a .500S&W for the same price or a .45/70 for a fraction of that?

It is a classic case of diminishing returns. The appeal of the pistol cartridge levergun is that they are light and handy, gain considerable velocity and can fire the same cartridges as your trusty sixgun. By "trusty sixgun", I mean a traditional belt gun in traditional sixgun chamberings. Not a massive 5lb X-frame that needs a mule-drawn carriage. You reach a point, ballistically and from a design perspective, where you are really better off going directly to a rifle action, firing a rifle cartridge. Rather than trying to adapt one to a pistol cartridge, or beef up a pistol cartridge action to handle a very long and high pressure pistol cartridge. For I would much rather pack two different guns, in two different chamberings that are appropriate to their chamberings and uses than a 5lb S&W and a 9lb rifle in a smaller, less efficient and less effective chambering like the .460. Be it a 36oz .44Spl or .45Colt and a 6lb .44 or .45 levergun or an 8lb levergun in an appropriate levergun cartridge like .405WCF or .45/70.

Of course, then there are the things we do just because we want to. Like hunting with a 9lb Winchester 1873. ;)

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