Correcting Flinch--Great Old Thread from the High Road


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ol' scratch
October 12, 2010, 06:59 PM
Ok, I am not afraid to admit it, but I have developed a flinch. I took a break from my .45 and have started flinching. PLEASE don't judge me:o. If you don't think you have one, have someone drop a snap cap in your mag the next time you are at the range.

I found this thread informative. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=21335Also, this article was useful

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob85.html. It is by Massad Ayoob. If you didn't recognize the name, he has probably forgotten more about handguns than most of us will ever know.

Hope it helps.

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MrIzhevsk
October 12, 2010, 08:36 PM
Its a great range practice. Me and my range buddy routinely do it to each other. It sure is funny to count the bangs until you hear the *click* and see if he pushes the nose of the gun down or not.

NMGonzo
October 12, 2010, 08:38 PM
I cure it with my revolver.

I only load 5 rounds on the 6 shooter.

Magoo
October 12, 2010, 09:23 PM
Thanks for the very timely (for me) post Ol' Scratch. I'd love to see a sticky just for "flinch".

The link you provided took me to a response to the thread, not the thread itself. Do you have another link?

Here is the best thread I turned up in my search: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=486908&highlight=flinch

My story (for those who care or are bored enough to read):
I finally today swallowed my pride and paid for a private lesson at my local range. I decided I'd gone long enough throwing lead downrange and reinforcing my self-taught bad habits. I knew I needed an experienced third party to evaluate what I was doing wrong. Much to my surprise, my stance, grip and presentation were all fine. The instructor shot many rounds through my 1911 (offhand and rested) and while tearing a ragged hole surmised that the pistol's accuracy was definitely not a factor. I came into the lesson with my assertion that "I shoot the 1911 low". During the lesson, we determined that I flinch (even from the rest :confused:).

From what I've read so far, the "best" advise follows two main ideas:

1) Isolate the shooter from the "bang". Increased hearing protection is the first end. I'm going to get better muffs and double up with plugs. Reducing the power load is next (I'm already shooting "just" WWB target loads).

2) Dry fire. I've done this a lot, but certainly not enough. My instructor (as have many in threads I've read) suggest placing an object (coin/ empty casing) on the muzzle and practice firing without disturbing the object. Fine and dandy, but I know it ain't going to go bang when sitting "in front of the TV". It's easy to keep it flat when the ammo is (known to be) in the next room.
Snap caps and related ideas are often thrown in with this thought. But I don't need to demonstrate to myself I'm flinching- I know I am.

FWIW, and to avoid other guesses:
My flinch only causes me to miss low. At any given range, after a few shots, I can adjust for my flinch and put the rounds on target. The flinch does not seem to significantly move my shots left or right- at modest distances anyway.
I'm 6'5" and have proportionally large hands. This 1911 does have full sized panels, and an arched MSH, but has a short trigger. I'm currently shopping for a long, flat trigger.

schmeky
October 12, 2010, 10:09 PM
I load dummy rounds for my semi autos and depending on the mag capacity, I mix the dummies up with my real ammo when loading a mag. You never know what you're going to get.

My best 25 yard groups are when I do this several times before settling down for some serious accuracy shooting.

PR-NJ
October 12, 2010, 10:33 PM
Instead of earmuffs over foam ear inserts, how about earmuffs over noise isolation/canceling earphones (like Shures or Etymotics) plugged into an Ipod blasting some loud music? A little Cat Scratch Fever might be appropriate.

ol' scratch
October 13, 2010, 09:20 PM
[QUOTE=Magoo;6795184]Thanks for the very timely (for me) post Ol' Scratch. I'd love to see a sticky just for "flinch".

The link you provided took me to a response to the thread, not the thread itself. Do you have another link?

Sorry about that. I fixed the link. Go to the original post and check.

dogtown tom
October 13, 2010, 09:54 PM
PR-NJ Instead of earmuffs over foam ear inserts, how about earmuffs over noise isolation/canceling earphones (like Shures or Etymotics) plugged into an Ipod blasting some loud music?...

Decibels is decibels no matter where they come from.

Blasting loud music into your ears to drown out a gun shot defies logic.:scrutiny:




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Magoo
October 13, 2010, 10:31 PM
Thanks Ol' Scratch, heading back to read it through now.

I agree decibles is decibles, but if the goal is to isolate the shooter from the bang, I can see that music might serve as a "useful distraction". I ain't saying it's good for your hearing though. But I'm shooting at an indoor range and blasting music into my ears would prevent me from hearing range commands so that's a no-go for me.

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