Why Can't I Like Slide Mounted Safties?


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schmeky
October 12, 2010, 08:53 PM
I've tried several semi's with slide mounted safties. Try as I might, I just can't warm to them. I know there are some excellent pistols with slide mounted safties, but I can't own them because of this.

Am I the only one?

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The Lone Haranguer
October 12, 2010, 09:04 PM
I carry such guns (S&W Third Generation) with the safety off, only using it as a decocker and pushing it back up when I wish to fire again. This is not something that usually needs to be done under time pressure. Carrying "on-safe" and sweeping the safety up on the draw is an awkward motion. I would be tickled if it could be modified to decock only (springing back up when I release it) as found on some Rugers and the Beretta 92G, but I don't know if this is possible on S&Ws. If you wish to carry "on safe," Massad Ayoob has recommended sliding your thumb down alongside the slide as your hand starts to acquire the grip and disengaging the safety while the gun is still in the holster.

Kingofthehill
October 12, 2010, 09:17 PM
I don't like them either.

Especially in the Tap N' Rack field. Just rips my hands up and uncomfortable.

Because of this i have to pass on guns i want to own like the Stoeger Cougar, 3rd gen S&W's, and the beautiful Beretta 92fs

OmutaX
October 12, 2010, 09:19 PM
For me, slide mounted safeties are detrimental during tap, rack, and bang drills. Whenever I practice it on my Beretta 92, I always manage engaging it to safety at least once and I'm left with an empty trigger squeeze. It's definitely not my end of the world zombie gun, let's say.

DenaliPark
October 12, 2010, 09:28 PM
Not an issue for me, the only pistol I own with a slide mounted safety is the 92FS, and I use that as a decocker only. The 92FS is arguably the finest 9mm pistol made, every one of the DOD M9's has a slide mounted safety, didn't bother the SEALS when they issued the M9.

DenaliPark
October 12, 2010, 09:30 PM
For me, slide mounted safeties are detrimental during tap, rack, and bang drills. Whenever I practice it on my Beretta 92, I always manage engaging it to safety at least once and I'm left with an empty trigger squeeze. It's definitely not my end of the world zombie gun, let's say.
That's to bad, it sure as hell would be up on the top of my list, that or a G-17...

OmutaX
October 12, 2010, 09:39 PM
Glock 17 or Glock 21SF is my choice, so I'm on the same boat.

Walkalong
October 12, 2010, 09:44 PM
Am I the only one? Nope.

smartshot
October 12, 2010, 09:50 PM
not sure what you don't like about them, if you practice enough with them, it will be fast shooting and a non factor

schmeky
October 12, 2010, 10:06 PM
I have practiced. Had a 92FS, 4 - P series Ruger autos, a Jericho, and a couple others I can't remember off hand. Everytime I grasp the slide I can't get accustomed to something being "there".

I also have to shift my grip to decock or engage the saftey compared to a frame mounted safety (or no safety at all).

labhound
October 12, 2010, 10:25 PM
I actually like and prefer them. They're on three of my favorite guns, my 92FS Inox, my Stoeger Cougar 8000 F and my Stoeger Cougar 8045. I have no problem at all drawing the gun from a holster and flipping the safety off. Works great for me, maybe not for others.

MICHAEL T
October 13, 2010, 01:54 AM
sorry double post

MICHAEL T
October 13, 2010, 01:55 AM
Like others I use only as a decocker then flip off and carry.

Ragnar Danneskjold
October 13, 2010, 05:46 AM
I like them. The safety on my Millennium Pro is mounted on the frame, and thus I can't cycle the slide with the safety on. That annoys me, as I would prefer to leave the safety on if I am unloading the chambered round. I don't like the idea of having to take a single action weapon off safe just to unload it.

GLOOB
October 13, 2010, 06:47 AM
^^ Nice observation. I have some guns that I use the safety ONLY while loading/unloading.

But in general, I like 'em just fine either way. I just get my thumb nice and high and forward as per my usual shooting grip and drag the safety along for the ride.

MrIzhevsk
October 13, 2010, 12:33 PM
The safety on my Jericho doesn't give me much trouble either. Chamber a round, flip the safety on to decock, insert into my holser (with the safety on mind you) and flip it back off while its in the holster for the daily carry. My only complaint as far as tap rack bang is that my sights aren't the original Jericho ones where the rear sight was a nice tall flat wall of a rear sight to something more "novak" shaped, giving me less to handle.

OregonJohnny
October 13, 2010, 03:31 PM
These are the only times that the decocker/safety gets engaged on my 92FS:

1. When loading a fresh magazine, and racking the slide to leave the firearm loaded and ready in double-action mode, I have the safety on, so when the slide goes into battery, the hammer is down. I then flip the safety off and LEAVE IT OFF.

2. In the middle of a magazine, when I take a break to practice double-action, I use the decocker and flip it back off and LEAVE IT OFF.

That's it. The firearm never sits idle with the safety on. 99% of the time, it sits bedside in a strapped holster, with loaded magazine inserted, round in the chamber, hammer down, safety off.

I've never once "accidentally" engaged the safety during racking, most likely because my method is to turn the firearm on it's left side with my strong hand (right hand), then place left thumb on right side of the slide, left index finger curled back on left side of the slide, grip at the slide serrations in front of the safety, and rack it. The "over-the-top" method that seems to be popular now could possibly induce an accidental engagement of the safety, but that method doesn't work as well for me anyway, so I never use it.

Sheepdog1968
October 13, 2010, 03:59 PM
If it's a social plinker, I'm fine with it having a slide mounted safety. If it's a self defense weapon, I don't want any lever type safety I need to disengage. Thus, for self defense, I am a fan of Sigs, Glocks, Springfield XDs.

rcmodel
October 13, 2010, 04:03 PM
As others have already noted, most DA pistols with slide mounted safetys use them for de-cocking.

That doesn't mean you have to use them for a safety, unless you just want too during loading, storage, etc.

Most folks don't use the decocker/safety for a safety.

rc

schmeky
October 13, 2010, 07:12 PM
Most folks don't use the decocker/safety for a safety

rcmodel,

That's a pretty profound statement. I think I was trying use the slide mounted safety like a frame mounted safety.

Guns and more
October 13, 2010, 11:06 PM
Here's why I don't like them.

1. It seems anything with moving parts will get beat up riding on the slide.

2. I like thumbing the safety off, like on a 1911, not pushing it up. To me, the slide mounted safety is not a natural movement.

Walkalong
October 13, 2010, 11:24 PM
2. I like thumbing the safety off, like on a 1911, not pushing it up. To me, the slide mounted safety is not a natural movement. Big ditto...... ;)

And de-cockers are just unnatural. Guns should go bang when the hammer falls.

Prion
October 13, 2010, 11:44 PM
didn't bother the SEALS

Always rely on government agencies to make the right choices. They'll never let you down.

Right?

1KPerDay
October 14, 2010, 01:28 AM
Why Can't I Like Slide Mounted Safties?Because they suck. Next!

Gord
October 14, 2010, 01:42 AM
I can't do slide-mounted safeties; bugs me to have to shift my grip so much to safe/unsafe a weapon. I like single action triggers, so I have no interest in a decocker. I have this burning desire for a Cougar that will never be realized unless they introduce a frame-safety version (fat chance) and I never had any interest in the Beretta 92F until 9mmepiphany mentioned in a recent thread that Taurus's PT92 version has the safety relocated to the frame. I'm now hunting for one to fondle and possibly buy.

The safety on my Millennium Pro is mounted on the frame, and thus I can't cycle the slide with the safety on. That annoys me, as I would prefer to leave the safety on if I am unloading the chambered round. I don't like the idea of having to take a single action weapon off safe just to unload it.

If it makes you feel better, my CZ-75B is the same way. Annoys the crap out of me as well.

GLOOB
October 14, 2010, 03:33 AM
The slide mounted safety is not a natural movement.
Snapping your fingers is not a natural movement, either. I feel sure that 99% of the American population could get used to a slide-mounted safety if it's all they had.

DenaliPark
October 14, 2010, 06:22 PM
Always rely on government agencies to make the right choices. They'll never let you down.

Right?
The SEAL teams had virtual carte blanche in choosing a sidearm, they rigourously tested different pistols before settling on the M9 & M11...

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