Kahr vs. Glock's striker safety


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TheProf
October 12, 2010, 10:49 PM
I read in an earlier post that if a person wanted a single stack 9mm Glock...they essentially would have a Kahr PM9. (Not sure about that...so you guys can chime in and let me know what you think.) Which then got me thinking of this question...

I know that in a Glock there is a safety pin that must be depressed in order for the firing pin to produde out the firing pin hole and thus firing the gun.
And that the firing pin is not fully compressed until the trigger is pulled.

Is this the same way with a Kahr PM9?

Is a Kahr PM9 the elusive single stack 9mm Glock that I have been looking for?

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The Lone Haranguer
October 12, 2010, 10:54 PM
Both the Glock and the Kahr have firing pin blocking safeties. This acts as a passive "drop" safety, i.e., to prevent firing if dropped, thrown or whatever. The methods of actuating them are very different, as are their trigger actions. I don't think the comparison is a very apt one.

unreal45
October 12, 2010, 11:08 PM
Kahr triggers have a long trigger pull and reset, more like a double action revolver than a glock.

DonRon
October 12, 2010, 11:17 PM
I own and carry both a Glock and a Kahr. Both are only in " Pre Tensioned position and pulling the trigger completes tensional position on the striker to to permit release to strike and ignite the primer. The Springfield is far more dangerous as the striker is fully tensioned at all times like the ring of fire Jiminez pistols.

gofastman
October 13, 2010, 12:03 AM
Is a Kahr PM9 the elusive single stack 9mm Glock that I have been looking for?
look at the taurus 709

it has a glock like firing pin safety, trigger safety, and manual safety that you can use or not

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 12:05 AM
It is for me.......Taurus ouch! Terrible customer service:barf:

gofastman
October 13, 2010, 12:08 AM
i disagree, their cust service was very kind and helpful to me, most have said they have really stepped up their game lately.

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 12:10 AM
Take a look at this for a reference point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNRbkOdUgms

harmon rabb
October 13, 2010, 06:17 AM
The Springfield is far more dangerous as the striker is fully tensioned at all times like the ring of fire Jiminez pistols.

Did you really just compare the XD to a Jiminez? Lulz.

The XD has a trigger safety, grip safety, and firing pin block. Even though the striker is fully tensioned at all times, that **** is not going off unless you pull the trigger.

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 07:23 AM
Yup, I sure did as far as a fully tensioned striker goes. It is what it is and I never said anything about AD, you did. I was just referring to the design and showing that it is not like the Glock and Kahr that's all.

MikePaiN
October 13, 2010, 07:36 AM
My Taurus PT709 Slim has been an excellent pistol, I use it as my EDC.
I like the added external safety. The 709 also happens to to be a very accurate shooter for its class, imo. I shoot it better than any Kahr I've had. Got to mention that the PT709 completely out classes that "other single stack 9" ..the Kel-tec PF9 in every way.

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 07:49 AM
Is there a point in there other than you are a Taurus fan. The thread topic was about Glock and Kahr Striker fired pistols not I love my Taurus.:neener::barf:

gofastman
October 13, 2010, 12:20 PM
I think the main point of the thread was to find a glock-like single stack 9mm.
Is a Kahr PM9 the elusive single stack 9mm Glock that I have been looking for?

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 12:23 PM
Then why is it titled like this "Kahr vs. Glock's striker safety by the OP?

Mudinyeri
October 13, 2010, 02:07 PM
As an owner of both Glock and Kahr pistols, I would say the similarities stop at the striker safety. The triggers are very different. The PM9 (I own one) is a fine pocket pistol but I'm not sure I would call it "the elusive single stack 9mm Glock ...." Personally, I think that would be an insult to the fine, smooth double-action trigger of the PM9. :D Yes, the reset is longer than that of a Glock. Is that really a hinderance in a SD pistol? Not im my opinion. Learn your SD weapon and how it shoots and you'll be prepared.

TonyT
October 13, 2010, 02:45 PM
I shhott and carry or have carried both Kahr and Glock pistols. The major similarity is being strioker fired and relaible. The Kahr trigger is very unique - much like a very light DA revolver. I now carry the Kahr PM-9 in a pocket holster but do shoot both a Glock 17 and S&W M&P9 in competitiion.

TheProf
October 13, 2010, 03:17 PM
The focus of my original post was this... I know that the Glock's striker is in a semi tension state. I was not sure of how the Kahr's striker mechanism worked.

Likewise, the Glock has a firing pin safety... I wondered if the Kahr worked in a similar fashion.

I really don't like the idea of a fully cocked striker... suppose the firing pin safety malfunctioned... would not a fully cocked striker then actuate the gun? I suppose it's the similar fear I have with 1911 style guns carried "cocked and locked". What if the mechanism holding the hammer back failed...would not the fully tensioned hammer fall and thus fire the gun?

I guess that is my question with the Kahr gun... Is the striker fully tensioned? What's holding it back? and if that mechanism failed, would the striker then fire the gun?

MikePaiN
October 13, 2010, 03:29 PM
I guess that is my question with the Kahr gun... Is the striker fully tensioned? What's holding it back? and if that mechanism failed, would the striker then fire the gun
Kahr's striker is only "partially" cocked(like Glock) until the trigger is pulled to the rear fully cocking the striker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYRHpolEC_Y

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 04:33 PM
The focus of my original post was this... I know that the Glock's striker is in a semi tension state. I was not sure of how the Kahr's striker mechanism worked.

Likewise, the Glock has a firing pin safety... I wondered if the Kahr worked in a similar fashion.

I really don't like the idea of a fully cocked striker... suppose the firing pin safety malfunctioned... would not a fully cocked striker then actuate the gun? I suppose it's the similar fear I have with 1911 style guns carried "cocked and locked". What if the mechanism holding the hammer back failed...would not the fully tensioned hammer fall and thus fire the gun?

I guess that is my question with the Kahr gun... Is the striker fully tensioned? What's holding it back? and if that mechanism failed, would the striker then fire the gun?
The Kahr principle of operation is a rotor cam activated by the trigger that completes the tension of the striker before release. The principle is exactly the same as Glock, just different mechanics to accomplish it.

TheProf
October 13, 2010, 04:51 PM
I guess the question behind the question is this...

Based on their designs... are both guns equally safe...in terms of the strikers accidentally firing the pistol?

(leaving out the human factor... and yes...I realize that no gun is safe in the hands of an idiot... but you must agree that perhaps not all guns are equally safe in terms of design. That's what I want to know between the Kahr and the Glock design.)

DonRon
October 13, 2010, 05:04 PM
The Kahr principle of operation is a rotor cam activated by the trigger that completes the tension of the striker before release. The principle is exactly the same as Glock, just different mechanics to accomplish it.
I own both and yes they are as equally mechanically safe to carry. Many LEO Departments, NYPD for one, that is authorizing the Kahr as an off duty and or back up weapon or undercover work. Kahr has also now added an external safety to get acceptance in other states including the one they are made in Liberal Gun Hating Massachusetts.

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