[cpileri]

Wow!
This amunition looks neat-o:

Lewis Drake and Associates
12 bore nitro-paradox, 740gr solid, .735 dia. bullet, 2.5" red plastic

(is it legal to post a link? i need to read the updated rules...)

Can it be used in American 12ga shotguns? Smoothbore or rifled barrels?
Anyone ever tried these?

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[oneounceload]

I wouldn't want to shoot something that heavy - 1.69 ounces is gonna hurt

[Gordon]

.735 diameter and no way to be squeezed down?:uhoh:

[RSVP2RIP]

Those are for Pardox, "Jungle Guns", or "Explora" ball and shot guns. They had the last few inches of the barrel rifled with no choke. Once upon a time they were mildly popular for people traveling to India or Africa. They would pattern like an Cyl gun but I suspect with a bunch of flyers and have enough umph to take dangerous game if close enough. There were also 10ga. and 20ga. versions. I don't think they would work in a modern 12ga. with a bore of .729" but I could be wrong. Maybe in a fully rifled barrel?

A little research indicates they made them in 8 and 16 gauge also. One recently went for $9800 at Christie's (H&H). That doesn't seem like that much in the grand scheme of all things H&H.

I guess H&H is making the Paradox again, but I have to confess that only having 1840fpe form that 740 grain bullet isn't all that awe insipring when you consider the 1 3/8oz (only 1/4 oz less)Breneke from a 3" shell has over 3000fpe. I think I'll save my $10K for now...

[cpileri]

Yes, H& is reintroducing the Paradox guns. Here's some more spec on the cartridge:

Bullet weight: 12-bore = 740 grains / 48 gram
Bullet diameter: .735" (Fosbery Pattern, solid lead)
Muzzle velocity: *1050 ft./sec. / 320 m/sec.
Muzzle energy: *1840 ft./lbs. / 2500 joules
Service pressure: 3 ¼ tons " / 850 bar

Converting bar to other pressures 850 bar= 12330 psi
Modern 12ga shotgun= 11500 psi, or 14000 for 3.5" magnum loads.

Now, with modern 12ga open choke being .729; it may very well be overpressure because the solid lead slug cant constrict down.

Wonder if i can get a 12ga barrel 'reamed out' along its whole length to .735?

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[cpileri]

OK so besides the mega-expensive H&H guns, here are shotguns with .735" bores. Esp thinking about the 3.5" magnum chambered ones, as they are rated for the higher pressures.

Beretta 391 Xtrema 3.5″ 12-gauge magnum

Remington 105CTi (OK, this gets bad reviews, but its got the right barrel dimension)

SKB 85 TSS series

Remington model 1100 G3

Do all remingtons have 'overbore' barrels? Any others that might be candidates for these paradox loads?

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[RMc]

You might want to check out the 730+ grain slugs from Dixie Slugs. These are made for modern rifled shotguns.