Magpul P-Mag & PayPal


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franconialocal
October 16, 2010, 01:07 AM
Does anybody know of a good distributor of Magpul equipment (specifically P-Mags) that accepts PayPal for payment? I'm done with the credit card game, and I'll settle for a check or money order if I have to, but PayPal is so easy to use and fast......

Let me know! I did a search here on THR and generally on the net with pretty lame results.

Thanks in advance!

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Dazen
October 16, 2010, 02:15 AM
44Mag.com will take money orders if that helps.

evan price
October 16, 2010, 02:21 AM
PayPal is anti-gun. They specifically prohibit using their services to pay for firearms related items. If you find someone taking PayPal for Pmags it is probably going to be a private individual. Good luck.

nwilliams
October 16, 2010, 02:56 AM
Read PayPal's "Acceptable Use Policy" and tell me you still want do business with them.

https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=QY4pM5LBbfy1RZRwrvhYJCYFDn3QYTZJpK6yQ3mBsvvgv2d3nTJh!-54453398?locale=en_US&_dyncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=US&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9008&t=solutionTab&ft=browseTab&ps=solutionPanels&solutionId=39059&isSrch=Yes

Question :What types of firearms related items does PayPal prohibit?

Answer :
PayPal prohibits all account holders from buying or selling any type of firearm and certain firearm parts and ammunition.

Firearms – Include all rifles, shotguns, and handguns, whether they are intended for use in sporting, as collectibles, or as curio and relic firearms. These items are prohibited regardless of their present working order.

Firearm parts - Include, but are not limited to, receivers and frames, silencers, kits designed to convert a firearm to automatic firing capability, high capacity magazines, multi-burst trigger activators, and camouflaging firearm containers.

Ammunition - Includes ammunition with propellant, such as gunpowder or blank ammunition. Ammunition is defined as ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellant powder designed for any firearm.

Stun guns - For U.S. residents, PayPal allows transactions for stun guns only if the transaction is permitted by law in both the buyer's and seller's jurisdictions. U.S. sellers must ensure that each transaction is legal in both locations before completing the sale. Transactions for stun guns involving account holders outside the U.S. are prohibited.

Other Related Items – PayPal allows transactions for paintball guns, blank guns, and air-soft guns as permitted by law in the applicable jurisdiction. These items must display all markings required by law, must not be convertible to shoot a lethal projectile, and must not include blank ammunition.

I've gotten in trouble with Paypal twice because of things I've sold on Ebay. The first time it was because I sold a scope on Ebay and mentioned in the item description that I had used the scope on my AR15. They gave me a warning telling me that I can't sell anything on Ebay that is related in any way to "assault rifles". The second time I sold an Magpul stock on Gunbroker and the buyer paid me using Paypal. My Paypal account was closed and I got an email from Paypal with a link to their "Acceptable Use Policy" and told me that they only way I could reopen my Paypal account was to click on the "agree" button. I never clicked it and because of that I can no longer use Paypal or buy or sell anything on Ebay because Paypal is required for Ebay. This is very sad because at one time I used Ebay all the time. I refuse to do business directly with Ebay or Paypal anymore from now on I use a middleman (family and friends) to do all of my Ebay purchasing or selling.

EddieNFL
October 16, 2010, 03:47 AM
I'm done with the credit card game,

How do you use paypal without a credit card?

nalioth
October 16, 2010, 04:58 AM
I'm done with the credit card game,
How do you use paypal without a credit card?Before they accepted credit cards, paypal used your bank account.

DoubleTapDrew
October 16, 2010, 02:05 PM
Amazon takes paypal and you can get them there.
Not many gun companies will use paypal because, besides being anti-gun, they have been known to lock your account if you are buying/selling gun related stuff so the seller can't get their money out and the buyer has no protection.

franconialocal
October 16, 2010, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the replies. Wow...learn something every day huh?? I didn't know PayPal had the stance that they do about firearms. I don't want to turn this into an Anti-PayPal thread, but do they really have some moral problems with firearms or is it just not wanting to bear any liablility??

Thanks for the heads up.....

-Yes, PayPal used to use bank accounts and still uses Debit Cards under the Visa/Mastercard logos.

WC145
October 16, 2010, 04:03 PM
I don't know if they take paypal but these guys have great prices on PMAGs, cheap shipping, and a LE discount. http://www.dallasshootingsupplies.com/products/Magpul-PMAG-30rd-%28w%7B47%7Do-Maglevel-Window%29-10-Pack.html

I don't have credit cards anymore and use paypal for a lot of stuff but the VISA debit cards work just like credit cards (limited by your bank account) and I use mine regularly for online purchases.

Old krow
October 16, 2010, 04:23 PM
I don't have credit cards anymore and use paypal for a lot of stuff but the VISA debit cards work just like credit cards (limited by your bank account) and I use mine regularly for online purchases.

That's probably a very safe way to do it.

I don't want to turn this into an Anti-PayPal thread, but do they really have some moral problems with firearms or is it just not wanting to bear any liablility??

Not sure, but they became a wholly owned subsidiary by Ebay in 2002 and both are located in CA. I'm not overly fond of either one of them.

Generally I don't use paypal or ebay. I go with what WC145 said. I can move money into and out of those accounts to insure some level of safety.

Guns and more
October 16, 2010, 08:20 PM
do they really have some moral problems with firearms or is it just not wanting to bear any liablility??
I suspect they have lawyers who advised them that a product passing through them later used in a crime might point to their deep pockets.
Not many companies are anti gun, just anti lawsuit.
"I bought a gun with PayPal and it blew up, I want $10 million."

PayPal has no problem with holsters, I can't remember if I used them for a P-Mag purchase a while back.

(but check Amazon)

Texas Gun Person
October 16, 2010, 08:58 PM
PayPal does not allow a number of other things besides gun, so no need to go pouting on how PayPal is anti gun and anti 2nd amendment.
They won't do native American artifacts either... maybe they are anti Indian though as well.

dogtown tom
October 16, 2010, 09:30 PM
franconialocal: ...do they really have some moral problems with firearms or is it just not wanting to bear any liablility??

Ebay/PayPal restricts the sale of firearms, firearm parts and some accessories because they operate in countries other than the USA.

Ebay/PayPal do not want to run afoul of foreign laws prohibiting the sale of firearms, etc. which could lead to those countries blocking access to Ebay websites and the PayPal service.

rm23
October 16, 2010, 10:51 PM
Your bank doesn't give you a debit card for your checking account?

Gord
October 16, 2010, 10:53 PM
Your bank doesn't give you a debit card for your checking account?

This.

Are we missing something here?

Lucky Derby
October 16, 2010, 11:07 PM
You know that if your debit card has a VISA or Mastercard logo on it you can use it the same as you could use a credit card. I do it all the time.

EddieNFL
October 17, 2010, 09:07 AM
Before they accepted credit cards, paypal used your bank account.
Be afraid; very afraid.

ritepath
October 17, 2010, 09:11 AM
The "They're scared of lawsuits" idea is wrong. If that was the case the only way you'd ever be able to buy anything firearm related would be with cash in a parking lot out of the view of cameras.

You could use a prepaid "credit card" if you don't feel comfortable using a debit card.

Adam5
October 17, 2010, 09:59 AM
I do alot of internet shopping, especial around the holidays. I opened a second checking account (free checking) with a Visa Check Card that I use only for internet purchases. I keep a $1 daily balance in the acct and when I want to buy something, I just go online and transfer the needed funds from my normal acct or from savings.

I don't have to pay a credit card bill at the end of the month or interest, and if someone should get their hands on the card number, they don't have access to my full balance.

DoubleTapDrew
October 17, 2010, 09:47 PM
I suspect they have lawyers who advised them that a product passing through them later used in a crime might point to their deep pockets.
Not many companies are anti gun, just anti lawsuit.

That's my view of it. IIRC, ebay's crackdown on gun related items happened after that idiot that shot up Virginia Tech did his deed and had purchased a magazine for one of the guns through ebay.
I don't think there was ever any type of lawsuit because of that but certainly got ebay's lawyer's panties in a knot and go into CYA mode.

Hanzo581
October 17, 2010, 10:02 PM
I am actually a little concerned the OP doesn't have a check card....it's 2010....

:-P

franconialocal
October 18, 2010, 09:20 PM
I do have a bank card, but for the longest time it was not a Visa/Mastercard logo Debit Card. It was just an ATM (only) card but now I'm up to speed. This is northern NH afterall. We just barely got electricity up here about a month ago and I still patrol on horseback. :D

WC145
October 19, 2010, 07:15 AM
I do have a bank card, but for the longest time it was not a Visa/Mastercard logo Debit Card. It was just an ATM (only) card but now I'm up to speed. This is northern NH afterall. We just barely got electricity up here about a month ago and I still patrol on horseback.

Welcome to the 21st century! I know what it's like working in small rural town (Franconia is a metropolis compared to the town I work for!), I just recently got rid of my wooden cruiser.
Anyway, now that your able to buy stuff like the rest of us check out the link I posted for Dallas Shooting Supplies. They've got the best PMAG deals I've found and be sure to ask about the LEO discount.

Guns and more
October 19, 2010, 11:36 AM
I like the idea of a second account with a small balance. However, with a small balance, you may be subject to fees which negate the good.
If you use your debit card online, it is treated as a credit card, and you will be charged a fee of 3% (illegally, I think) to use a credit card. Bummer.
Unfortunatly, now that Obama has instituted a crack down of banking and Wall Street, banks are looking to add fees everywhere.

Ben86
October 19, 2010, 11:43 AM
Forget paypal, just use a debit card. However, I recommend creating a separate bank account just for online ordering and other transactions in case someone is able to illegally obtain and use your card number. It happened to me a couple years ago, but I got my money back. After this I created a separate "spending account" and I keep only a small amount of money in it, that way my primary account and savings are protected.

CraigC
October 19, 2010, 01:24 PM
Ebay/PayPal used to be pretty much ambivalent about the whole thing. Then, a couple years ago, they finally chose a side. Not ours.....

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