sig 229 9mm or cz 75 compact sao


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jeepguy
October 16, 2010, 06:27 PM
i love sigs but the cz 75 compact is really nice. i like the cz becuse its all steel & sao. i love my sig 226 .40 it is a great shooter & always goes bang. i saw a used p229 9mm no rail for $650 i also saw a brand new cz for &550 or so. im torn i think the cz would last forever but i still dont know how long the alloy frame sig will last. this would be used for carry sometimes along with my kimber pro carry. it is definitely between these two firearms. i already have a beretta 92, sig 226 .40, cz 82 9x18, kimber pro carry in .45 & 9mm. since im familier with sigs is their is there any problems with the cz to be concerned about? which one should i go with?

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dairycreek
October 16, 2010, 06:31 PM
Buying the CZ will result in a handgun that is at least as high quality as SIG but for a lot less money. I do not mean to deprecate SIG but it is definitely over priced - particularly when compared to CZ!

sprice
October 16, 2010, 06:41 PM
I had a jericho (cz copy). I liked it except for one thing- The slide was to small wich made it harder to rack and clear malfunctions under pressure. I would go with the sig but either are fine guns.

DenaliPark
October 16, 2010, 06:50 PM
Buying the CZ will result in a handgun that is at least as high quality as SIG but for a lot less money. I do not mean to deprecate SIG but it is definitely over priced - particularly when compared to CZ!
I happen to agree with this, CZ is a better performer then the Sig in my experience, at a better price point.

schmeky
October 16, 2010, 07:12 PM
Buying the CZ will result in a handgun that is at least as high quality as SIG but for a lot less money. I do not mean to deprecate SIG but it is definitely over priced - particularly when compared to CZ!

^^ This ^^ :)

PO2Hammer
October 16, 2010, 07:29 PM
Never shot a CZ pistol, but the Sigs are very nice. None of the 9mm's have had any trouble lasting. The P229 was designed as a .40, so I imagine it will be just fine as a 9.
Wasn't there a recent thread, 4 or 5 pages IIRC, about CZ's and their problems?
Parts breakages, extraction issues, heavy SA triggers, plastic parts.......
Not to bash CZ's, I love their rimfire rifles, and almost bought a CZ 75 SA instead of my latest Sig (P228), but doing research, I've found far more issues with the CZ's.
I spent $500 on a used P228 from 1994 instead of a $500 on a new CZ 75 SA, I think I made the right choice.
Great trigger, great ergo's, top shelf accuracy, reliable.....
Overpriced? Not to me, you only pay for quality once.

offthepaper
October 16, 2010, 08:08 PM
Another vote for the CZ.
The CZ will be AT LEAST as accurate as the Sig. Sigs are fine pistols, no doubt. But everyone will chime in with t heir favorite. But my CZ has always far exceeded my expectations when I bought it used with only a few test shots down the barrel from the original owner. It is very accurate, never had a jam in ~1500 rds and eats anything I feed it. I bought it for $390. I wish I could have bought another at that price.

m500'92
October 16, 2010, 08:26 PM
Buying the CZ will result in a handgun that is at least as high quality as SIG but for a lot less money. I do not mean to deprecate SIG but it is definitely over priced - particularly when compared to CZ!

There's a big difference between being over priced and actually having to pay your employees, Sig probably pays 4 times as much as CZ for their workers to make the guns. That would probably be the main difference in the price. (It'd be like saying a Colt's over priced compared to a Norinco, not really in the same category) I'd go with Sig.

viking499
October 16, 2010, 09:41 PM
The CZ fits my hand better than the Sig. And it's cheaper.

wojownik
October 16, 2010, 11:20 PM
I have both the CZ75 and Sig 229. Love both, but the p229 is my all time favorite

The Lone Haranguer
October 17, 2010, 08:30 AM
I have a 75D Compact PCR and have owned a SIG P228. They are virtually the same size - even fitting into some of the same holsters - and weight. The SIG had - note the past tense - a little smoother trigger action, but just did not fit my hands and I never shot very well with it. But you can't go wrong with either. It really comes down to personal preferences.

Queltor
October 17, 2010, 09:00 AM
I just bought a Sig P229 E2. It was slightly used (200 rounds) and at a price point I thought was reasonable. Since I have smallish hands, it works for me... really well. I haven't taken it to the range yet since I just bought it yesterday, but it points very naturally and feels great in the hand.

I have a lot of trouble reaching the DA trigger on CZ's, so there's really no question which I prefer.

The Lone Haranguer
October 17, 2010, 09:18 AM
I was unaware that the Compact comes in a SAO version. I see railed and conventional frame versions on CZ-USA's website, but no obvious SAO.

viking499
October 17, 2010, 09:20 AM
I would like to try an E2. If they would fit my hand better, I would be more apt to get one.

SwampWolf
October 17, 2010, 11:34 AM
Viking, though I have largish hands and don't have any problems adapting to conventional SIG grips, when I tried my mitts on a new Model 226 E2, well, I simply had to have one. Friends that I've talked with that have had trouble acquiring a good grip on typical SIG pistols have tried the E2 version and they, too, found a huge, positive difference with it.
If you actually measure the differences in dimensions beween the two formats, you will find they are very small indeed. But, like so many firearms where subtle changes in dimensions make all the difference to individual users, the small difference exhibited by the E2 configuration can make all the difference to some shooters.
I would advise anybody who is considering the purchase of a self-defense pistol but who have dropped SIG pistols from their choice list due to ergonomic reasons to handle the new E2 models. You might be pleasantly surprised.

jeepguy
October 17, 2010, 11:40 AM
its their all steel version it says da/sa but it doesn't have a decocker so its more like a sao. like the (cz 82) i put that in here so as not to confuse it with the decocker model which does not have a manual safty & is alloy. but yes it will fire after being manually decocked. sku#91190

TonyT
October 17, 2010, 12:05 PM
I have shot a stainless Sig 226 in competion but prefer the ergonomics of the CZ-75.

sprice
October 17, 2010, 03:21 PM
oh yeah, there's not a lot of aftermarket parts or accesories either.

Pilot
October 17, 2010, 06:02 PM
I carry and shoot my CZ-75D PCR, (compact, lightweight alloy frame) my Sig P228 which is a very fine pistol sits in the safe.

Jed Carter
October 18, 2010, 05:05 AM
I have a P229 and a CZ PCR, my daily CCW is the CZ, really like both but the SIG's slide is too wide to carry IMO. I thought about the CZ 75C but went with the 75D PCR the Novak style sights, loaded chamber indicator are nice to have, and if I'm not mistaken, the CZ 75C is a steel frame vs the alloy frame on the PCR.

9mmepiphany
October 18, 2010, 01:41 PM
I've had both and between the two, if you're going to use it for carry, I'd choose the Sig 229...the weight does make a difference at the end of the day. The alloy frame of the Sigs are very strong and the non-rail 229 is rather rare nowadays.

The 9mm 229 is a much nicer gun than it's heavier .40 siblings and is a close match for the flawless 228. the shorter (heightwise) slide of the CZ has always been a bit harder for me to get a solid purchase on during manipulation drills...but then I grew up with the 1911.

The E2 variant looks really interesting. I'm not a huge fan of the short trigger as I believe it unduly compromises your SA trigger press, but the re-contoured backstrap and mainspring strut (and mainspring) look like they are really going to be winners...plus the lack of grip screws make the grips look sleeker.

When the E2 grip parts become available separately, I think they are going to be a big seller

Steelshooter101
October 19, 2010, 08:55 AM
I have a CZ75D and has the alloy frame so weight is not to bad. It is the most comfortable gun to shoot I have the low bore axis helps a lot with recoil and recovery. It don't do to bad on speed plates matches either.

sansone
October 19, 2010, 09:05 AM
whichever feels better in your hand would be my choice. I spent way too much money choosing a 9mm personal defense pistol and after many disapointments I chose the one that felt most comfortable in my hand. Unfortunately for me it was a BHP so my wife was pissed :D $$

GunTech
October 19, 2010, 09:53 AM
I love my CZs, but finding things like holsters is a pain. Right now I am looking for either a compact or a P-01 to go with my two 75Bs.

Finding holsters is far, far easier for the SIG.

All that being said, it's interesting to note several Federal agencies are giving up their SIGs and going to GLOCKs.

Delaware_Dan
October 20, 2010, 12:13 AM
CZ 75 B SA for sure. The Sig feels like a brick, the CZ feels like an exstension of your arm.

m500'92
October 20, 2010, 02:48 AM
All that being said, it's interesting to note several Federal agencies are giving up their SIGs and going to GLOCKs.

Yes but one has to wonder if that's due to the great reduction of cost rather than any type of advantage in performance. I'd think it'd be the costs myself. Also Sig still has 1/3 of the market for law enforcement.

GunTech
October 20, 2010, 10:14 AM
Found this thread right here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=539659

This is a new contract, and other Federal agencies will be able to do follow-ons, which means a lot of them will be transitioning over to the new pistol.

m500'92
October 20, 2010, 04:13 PM
Yes but thats the Sig 250 rather than the 220 series, it's a different gun than what most use and that's only one agency.

jeepguy
October 21, 2010, 07:17 PM
i went with the sig 229 in 9mm but wanted to thank you guys for all the help.

jeepguy
October 31, 2010, 01:08 AM
went to the range today and inspite of my decision to go with the sig traded for a cz compact. overall all i really like it however i do have a few bugs to work out. it shoots high for me, so i have to see about changing one of the sights. another thing that its doing is every once in a while when i pull the trigger the hammer does not fall. if i pull it a coulple of more times it will. cosmetically the trigger is silver, while the rest is all black and it came with 2 10rd. mags. i will have tp contact cz about the trigger and the sights. but it has a great feel and nice size for carry so i am happy with it.

Pilot
October 31, 2010, 08:10 AM
cosmetically the trigger is silver, while the rest is all black and it came with 2 10rd. mags. i will have tp contact cz about the trigger and the sights.

Once you sort out the trigger, you will be very happy with the CZ. I've never seen a silver hammer on a Compact, but that doesn't mean much, but it may be aftermarket and the source of the problem. I'd send the gun to CZ, and get it fixed along with a tigger job.

JDGray
October 31, 2010, 08:14 AM
Does the trigger feel any different than before? My CZ75 broke a trigger return spring, and would not go forward on its own, to reset for the next shot. The rear sight has a number on the base, you will have to drive it off to see what it is, but CZ exchanged mine for no cost(Was in the 5yr warranty time frame, but they never asked)

The compact is my favorite CZ, wished I'd kept mine!!:(

jeepguy
October 31, 2010, 09:26 AM
the hammer is black but the trigger is silver, and i bought it new yesterday so it should be stock. i had heard about the sights having numbers on them but since i have to send it back anyway becuse of the hammer not falling i will just let them take care of it then.

Pilot
October 31, 2010, 02:04 PM
Sorry, I read it wrong. The triggers are supposed to be silver. Still, send it to CZ and let them do a trigger job. You will be amazed.

jeepguy
October 31, 2010, 02:37 PM
it is weird it doesn't do it all the time. i have a snap cap in it and when i cock the hammer and fire it it will fall about 15 to 25 times. when it fails to fall if i keep pulling the trigger it will finally fall after 2 - 8 attempts. i don't know if something isn't releasing or if something is binding up. i do believe i will rally like it, once these issues get sorted out.

CeeZar
October 31, 2010, 03:05 PM
You really couldn't go wrong once you narrowed it down to those two. If you prefer IWB holster, be sure to check out Crossbreed supertuck.

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