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BIGGBAY90
October 16, 2010, 08:45 PM
I would like to buy a 1911 .45------which one

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mesinge2
October 16, 2010, 08:50 PM
Way too vague.

Budget? (They can range from $450 and under to $5,000 or more)
Style? [GI or decked out, Single or Double stack, caliber, Size (Government, commander, officer's, etc)]
Purpose? (concealled carry or range gun?)
weight? (are you recoil sensitive?)

And a million more questions.

Magoo
October 16, 2010, 08:51 PM
How much do you want to (or are willing to) spend?

What do you want to use it for?

BIGGBAY90
October 16, 2010, 09:42 PM
Up to $1200

harmon rabb
October 16, 2010, 09:42 PM
About the only helpful advice I can give is that if you want a budget 1911 (i.e. under $500), buy a Rock Island Armory. Don't even bother with anybody else in that range. Quality guns, purportedly great customer service. Mine rocks.

harmon rabb
October 16, 2010, 09:43 PM
Oh. Well. $1200. That's a whole new ballgame. Nevermind. Maybe a springfield.

bds
October 16, 2010, 09:51 PM
STI Spartan $698 (http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/Spartan.php) or Trojan $1100 (http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Trojan5.0/Trojan50.php) (and whether you want made in USA or not) :D

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/images/Spartan_Main_320x240.jpg

Magoo
October 16, 2010, 09:53 PM
As mesinge2 said, about a million other questions. For useful responses, you've got to tell us more about what your intended usage is at least.

Your budget does allow you a lot of choices, but keeps you out of the custom/semi custom range.

If you just have $1200 burning a hole in your pocket for a 1911, I'd be happy to sell you a Springer GI model for $1199.99, and I'll pay the shipping :).

mesinge2
October 16, 2010, 09:56 PM
With a budget I would recomend a Colt first (personal favorite is the combat elite):
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I keep track of the rounds down the tube in excel so that I know when to changes springs, and this one has 7,250 rounds down the tube and is on its third set of springs (changed at around 3,000, and 6,000). I only had two jams with this gun ever and both with-in the frist hundred rounds with the original colt magazines. I prefer Chip McCormick Powermags for all my 1911s.

But a Springfield loaded or Kimber are great guns as well. If I were to but a Springer 1911 it would have to be a loaded operator. It I was going to buy a Kimber is would most definelty be a Kimber government SIS or Raptor.

gschoelles
October 16, 2010, 10:32 PM
A basic Springfield then build it up as you like. Can't go wrong with a 1911.

Zerodefect
October 16, 2010, 10:36 PM
Up to $1200

That's an unfortuneate price range. The best buys are in the $700-900 and $1600-2000 ranges. There is a significant void between the two right now.

...maybe a Colt 1991, Colt XSE, or a Kimber TLE would fit you?

Birdmang
October 16, 2010, 10:41 PM
What is the best buy for 700-900???

bds
October 17, 2010, 09:51 AM
What is the best buy for 700-900???
Dang, I guess not STI Spartan because it is priced less than $700. :uhoh::D

beanoboy7
October 17, 2010, 11:48 AM
Colt Gold Cup Trophy

Mad Man
October 17, 2010, 12:08 PM
That's an unfortuneate price range. The best buys are in the $700-900 and $1600-2000 ranges. There is a significant void between the two right now.

If your budget is "up to $1,200," then I would suggest getting one of the $700-$900 guns, and spend the rest on quality magazines (about $100 for 5 Chip McCormick's), ammo, and holster and training (depending on your experience level and intended use).

Based on my browsing gun shops in my area, $700 - $900 would get you a 1911 by any reputable manufacturer: Colt, Kimber, Para Ordnance, Sig, Springfield, Smith & Wesson, etc.

Actual "street price" will vary depending on your geographic location, and specific dealer. But I find that BudsGunShop.com (www.budsgunshop.com/) and eBang.com (http://www.ebang.com/) are good web sites to get a general idea of price. Keep in mind that eBang also lists on-going auctions, so some of the prices listed will be current bids, not the actual sale price.

The differences between the above-listed manufacturers are probably so minor that 1911 aficionados and internet commandos will spend countless hours passionately debating why their choice is better. In the end, it may simply come down to availability, style, and some intangibles.

The only modification I would do to any of those guns in that price range is have a brass bead front sight installed, about $40 parts and labor at my local gun smith.

UPDATE: I see that you are in New York City, which may change things considerably, given the regulation-imposed costs of gun ownership in that area.

Zerodefect
October 17, 2010, 12:31 PM
What is the best buy for 700-900???

STI Spartan, Kimber Custom, Kimber TLE, and Colt IMO.

This, for some ideas, see anything nice?:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/141/products_id/60672

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/141/products_id/36291

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/141/products_id/69660

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/40/products_id/411534035

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/40/products_id/411534329

Birdmang
October 17, 2010, 12:31 PM
Thanks, im looking for a new one and thats my range also.

ttheel
October 17, 2010, 06:11 PM
That's an unfortuneate price range. The best buys are in the $700-900 and $1600-2000 ranges. There is a significant void between the two right now.



While there is some truth to this statement, Dan Wesson makes some very high quality 1911's in the $900-$1600 range. Dan Wesson's quality rivals some Semi-custom 1911 manufacturers.

bc1023
October 17, 2010, 06:13 PM
Take a look at my guide here, starting in post 13.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1269683

BIGGBAY90
October 17, 2010, 06:23 PM
Wow---that kimber and the colt stainless look great---JUST LOOKING FOR A TROUBLE FREE 1911--THATS ALL----HOME/TARGET

Zerodefect
October 17, 2010, 06:40 PM
While there is some truth to this statement, Dan Wesson makes some very high quality 1911's in the $900-$1600 range. Dan Wesson's quality rivals some Semi-custom 1911 manufacturers.

Dw's going to have the best bang for the buck. They aren't cheap. But you are getting what you pay for. prices went up this year as they made some very custom modifications to thier lineup.

Tons of DW's by me and they are awesome. All are CBOBs, VBoBs, and Valors. $1600-1800. They had a well priced Classic sitting on the shelf for years, doubt they'll stock DW's llower models again.

1500+ rounds now. No failures:

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss290/zerodefect2533/DSC01469.jpg

http://i584.photobucket.com/albums/ss290/zerodefect2533/DSC01682.jpg

BIGGBAY90
October 17, 2010, 06:46 PM
I just called a shop that has a kimber custom two going for $735---is that good

Zerodefect
October 17, 2010, 06:54 PM
Yes. I've got an old Kimber I'm customizing right now. Deosn't take much work to really make a Kimber rock.

Sky
October 17, 2010, 07:04 PM
If I wanted to spend $1200 on a 1911 I think I would buy two in different flavors/sizes/calibers, of either RIA or Metro Arms American Classic ll. With the $300 I would have left get a good carry rig and ammo. Just a thought.

Walkalong
October 17, 2010, 07:48 PM
Up to $1200 STI

ttheel
October 18, 2010, 12:43 AM
Dw's going to have the best bang for the buck. They aren't cheap. But you are getting what you pay for. prices went up this year as they made some very custom modifications to thier lineup.

Tons of DW's by me and they are awesome. All are CBOBs, VBoBs, and Valors. $1600-1800. They had a well priced Classic sitting on the shelf for years, doubt they'll stock DW's llower models again.

1500+ rounds now. No failures

Zero, I am seriously looking at a new VBOB or Valor myself. I keep going back and forth as to which one.

Jed Carter
October 18, 2010, 05:44 AM
STI Trojan, ramped barrel will feed all types of ammunition reliably. STIs are made to run right out of the box, mine is flawless. Kimbers are massed produced, nice looking 1911s, that owners run hot and cold on their reliability. I would look at these brands STI, Dan Wesson, S&W, SIG, Colt, and Springfield Armory. I would personally bypass Taurus, Kimber, and Para Ordnance, just my preferences in 1911s. I suggest you search threads on your possible choices, there are lots of information and opinions on almost every brand available.

Moccw
October 18, 2010, 09:03 AM
Dan Wesson is the way I would go, or keep your eyes out for a used baer, I just picked up a mint TRS for 1300

Zerodefect
October 18, 2010, 09:04 AM
Zero, I am seriously looking at a new VBOB or Valor myself. I keep going back and forth as to which one.

Depends on your hands and size for CCW.

I went with the fullsize Valor because I have long hands that cover the entire 1911 grip frame. The bobtail on the Vbob felt weird to me cause I'm used to feeling the frame there. Also my Glocks have a raised bump there. If you like 1911's with a curved backstrap then get the fullsize. If you don't mind the smaller grip or your hand deosn't reach all the way down like mine, get the Vbob.

I can conceal a fullsize 1911 with thin grips in a Crossbreed holster at 5-6 oclock. If I couldn't, I'd get the Vbob. A gun that cant CCW is a one trick pony IMO. I don't need another range queen.

I wish the 2010 Valors safety lever was available aftermarket. Maybe when demand dies down. It's by far the nicest safety I've ever seen.

BIGGBAY90
October 20, 2010, 05:58 AM
What about colt

btn
October 21, 2010, 11:29 PM
I have 2 Kimbers and love them, the TLE 5 which is 5 inch and the ultracdp which is 3 inch. The colts are really nice as well. In fact there are many great 1911's out there now.

I get all my firearms at a very friendly store upstate. Much better prices then the city.

dcarch
October 22, 2010, 12:08 AM
STI Trojan. Period.

jwash3rd
October 22, 2010, 08:23 AM
I have a Kimber Custom II that is a year old. It has been totally reliable and I can shoot it accurately pretty easily. They go for $800 to nearly 9 around here, so the one you found sounds like a good buy.

mljdeckard
October 22, 2010, 11:02 AM
You can spend anywhere from about $450 to north of three grand. What are you using it for?

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