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cottswald
October 18, 2010, 09:20 PM
"When you go into the wilderness to observe, you are an intruder. When you go to hunt, you become part of the cycle of life".

Anonymous

http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/mountain-goat-attacks-and-kills-hiker-in-olympic-national-park-wa/19678251?test=latestnews

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planetmobius
October 18, 2010, 10:29 PM
If you go into the wilderness to observe and are eaten by wolves, you are an intruder that became part of the cycle of life.

Roughneck08
October 19, 2010, 02:03 AM
I've seen a few folks being gored by bulls, not mountain goats. Talk about an angry goat.

Cosmoline
October 19, 2010, 02:21 AM
Her husband, Bill Baccus, is a scientist at the park and immediately radioed for help. Three people then spread out across the slope and tried to shoo the animal away by yelling and throwing rocks at it. After about 15 minutes, it finally retreated. But by then, Boardman had been lying there for approximately an hour and no longer had a pulse.

This is pretty absurd, and a telling commentary on the state of your average hiker these days. Nobody even had the ability to shoot the beast. So the man died, not because of the goat but because the people were not prepared.

CoRoMo
October 19, 2010, 01:13 PM
"When you go into the wilderness to observe, you are an intruder. scouting for the up coming hunting seasons. It's part of the hunt after all. Hike in armed, just in case."

JDMorris
October 19, 2010, 04:50 PM
This is why I have a gun. That goat would've eaten lead if around me.

Art Eatman
October 20, 2010, 09:36 AM
"When you go into the wilderness to observe, you are an intruder."

I've been reading that sort of nonsense for what seems like most of my rather long life. IMO it's a BS idea promulgated by people who rarely get out of an air-conditioned apartment in a city.

I've been an outdoorsman for most of my many years. I've always felt as though I was part of the system. I started learning that system some seventy years ago. Still got more to learn; it's unending.

But those city folks would indeed be intruders. Ignorance is intrusive. And it can get you eaten by a bear or gored by a goat...

cottswald
October 20, 2010, 03:47 PM
...But those city folks would indeed be intruders. Ignorance is intrusive. And it can get you eaten by a bear or gored by a goat...
Agreed, hence the connection between the OP's quote and the attached article.

"When you go into the wilderness to observe, you are an intruder". According to the article, the man that lost his life, along with others that were with him, thought they could simply "shoo" a mountain goat away. Their ignorance of the wild did not allow for the fact that the goat which viewed them as "intruders" would act accordingly.

"When you go (into the wilderness) to hunt, you become part of the cycle of life". Sportsmen (in particular hunters) have a more realistic appreciation for the wild and are therefore better prepared to address the dangers involved.

I can't remember the name of the originator of the quote, but I believe that was his intended message.

Bearhands
October 20, 2010, 04:07 PM
A. Look who wrote it

B. Look who she wrote for.

Double Naught Spy
October 20, 2010, 04:41 PM
"When you go (into the wilderness) to hunt, you become part of the cycle of life". Sportsmen (in particular hunters) have a more realistic appreciation for the wild and are therefore better prepared to address the dangers involved.

Sorry, but that is just garbage. You are in the cycle of life regardless of whether you are killing animals or not. Having a gun does not preclude you from being an intruder.

Interesting article. So the hikers come across a goat that won't yield the trail to them and so the husband decides to "scare off" the animal. So the husband acted aggressively toward the animal and everyone is surprised that the animal defended itself?

ForumSurfer
October 20, 2010, 04:41 PM
Well some states, like mine want us to be prey. If my interpretation of nc law is correct (and please correct me if I am!), you can't venture out onto state maintained game lands (like many of the sights that I visited on the blue ridge parkway recently, and blissfully unaware of the law's caveats) armed. State gameland regulations allow .22 caliber pistols, with barrels not greater than seven and a half inches in length and shooting only short, long or long rifle ammunition outside of hunting season. During hunting season, you can only ccw a handgun that falls within the guidelines of what you are hunting.

So I'd have to fend off that goat with my only weapon that falls into that category were it happening to me in my state...a double action 22 revolver.

phoglund
October 20, 2010, 05:12 PM
I wondered at the potential lethality of Mountain Goats and checked out the Wikipedia page about them...up to 300 pound! Egad!

I imagine that goat got the femoral artery. Even if rescued shortly after the attack he may have been at risk of his life.

Be careful out there people, the wilderness isn't disneyland. Lots of ways to die out there.

Paul

sansone
October 20, 2010, 05:19 PM
I don't know why but that AOL story pisses me off.. can I say that? if not I'm sorry and won't do it again :D

Double Naught Spy
October 20, 2010, 08:58 PM
I wondered at the potential lethality of Mountain Goats and checked out the Wikipedia page about them...up to 300 pound! Egad!

I imagine that goat got the femoral artery. Even if rescued shortly after the attack he may have been at risk of his life.

Be careful out there people, the wilderness isn't disneyland. Lots of ways to die out there.

To quote my former boss, "There are inherent risks in going outside."

Yep, 300 lbs. They are territorial and have been described as "extremely territorial."

To make matters worse, park visitors were encouraged to yell at the goats and throw rocks at the goats if they got too close. No doubt this didn't instill any sense of love and tenderness into the goats toward the humans.
http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/article/20101018/NEWS/310189996/goat-examined-as-part-of-investigation-of-goring

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
October 20, 2010, 09:25 PM
The general population has lost most all common sense when it comes to dealing with the outdoors and it's MANY dangers. These people, like most nowadays, obviously had absolutely no idea that a "simple" goat, not much unlike you see commonly on a farm, could be dangerous. I guess they missed all the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet programs about animals in the wild. Most think that all a White Tail buck would do is run away. Little do they know, during the rut, a buck is just as likely to gore you as look at you. "No way a pretty deer could hurt me" RIGHTTTTTTTT Keep thinking that.

Leaky Waders
October 20, 2010, 09:27 PM
To me, throwing rocks went out of style as soon as the sling was invented. Or better yet...never bring a rock to a goat fight...

As far as the life cycle quote...if you are on earth, you're part of the life cycle. Outdoorsmen are more attuned to the rural surroundings, just as city dwellers are more attuned to the nuances or urban surroundings. It all depends upon which 'jungle' you're in and are accustomed too.

Too bad about the hiker, the families must be devastated.

cottswald
October 20, 2010, 09:42 PM
The general population has lost most all common sense when it comes to dealing with the outdoors and it's MANY dangers. These people, like most nowadays, obviously had absolutely no idea that a "simple" goat, not much unlike you see commonly on a farm, could be dangerous. I guess they missed all the Discovery Channel and Animal Planet programs about animals in the wild. Most think that all a White Tail buck would do is run away. Little do they know, during the rut, a buck is just as likely to gore you as look at you. "No way a pretty deer could hurt me" RIGHTTTTTTTT Keep thinking that.
Good point. But can you really get a feel for the "cycle of life" that exists in the wilderness from watching "Discover Channel and Animal Planet"?

Freedom_fighter_in_IL
October 20, 2010, 09:54 PM
Probably not a complete knowledge, but if you actually watched and paid attention, it would give you at least a LITTLE common sense about what can happen in the "wild". We are all born with innate knowledge but most lose that instinct without practice. I personally believe that hunters are born with a stronger "genetic memory" and base instincts that drive us to our passion. This seems to be getting weaker and weaker as we "evolve" ( I personally feel we, as a species, are devolving not evolving) which is why we need to really get out there more with our young ones and TEACH them to bring this back to us as a species.

cottswald
October 20, 2010, 10:22 PM
Pretty heavy stuff Freedom Fighter. I like it!

rodensouth
October 27, 2010, 05:43 PM
Right on Freedom Fighter, right on!

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