Wil Wheaton on guns


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December 17, 2003, 12:43 AM
In the course of being sucked into the web tonight, I came across Wil Wheaton's web site. (Most folks that I know remember him best as Wesley Crusher on Star Trek: The Next Generation.)

From his "Activism" page at http://www.wilwheaton.net/activismlinks.php:

"I believe very strongly that every amendment in the Bill of Rights should be respected, including the right to bear arms (though I'm not interested in owning a gun, and wish we didn't live in a world where they were necessary.)"

Most of the rest of his activism stuff is way left wing (including that he voted for Nader--has he actually ever read the Green party platform? A lot of it is straight from Karl Marx.).

Oh, well. Nobody's perfect.

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Mike Irwin
December 17, 2003, 01:30 AM
I always wished someone would beam him into deep space...

papercut
December 17, 2003, 01:37 AM
Personally, I always dreamed he might accidentally fall into a malfunctioning airlock that started cycling....without a spacesuit. :evil:

JohnKSa
December 17, 2003, 01:41 AM
Ah yes...

Good ol' Wesley.

I used to sit down to watch Next Generation and start every show by saying: "Maybe the boy will die in this episode."

I must admit that this quote improves my opinion of him somewhat.

nico
December 17, 2003, 01:44 AM
meh, based on the rest of the BS on that page. I'd bet he thinks "respecting the second ammendment" means letting people own single shot muzzle loaders. Right after he talks about the second ammendment, he says how he's against the death penalty and thinks the government should pay for healthcare. He then goes on to talk about how he hates both Bushes and complains about how Bush stole the 2000 electioin. Don't forget Sarah Brady says she respects the second ammendment too:rolleyes:

Mike Irwin
December 17, 2003, 01:56 AM
"I must admit that this quote improves my opinion of him somewhat."

Keep reading his site.

It wears away rather quickly.

lazhuward
December 17, 2003, 02:31 AM
Huh. I've always wondered what Wesley Crusher's political views are. Not.

Bill Hook
December 17, 2003, 03:20 AM
Has Been (or Never Was).

swingset
December 17, 2003, 03:28 AM
He was good in "Stand By Me", after that someone's mommy should have put a stop to his little hobby.

MAKOwner
December 17, 2003, 05:28 AM
First decent thing I've ever seen regarding 'ole Wesley. I swear I hate the "Wesley Episodes" of TNG soooooooo freakin bad. What an assclown... Sounds like the rest of his political views suck ??? though, which is what I was expecting when I opened the thread.

clubsoda22
December 17, 2003, 05:42 AM
Right after he talks about the second ammendment, he says how he's against the death penalty and thinks the government should pay for healthcare. He then goes on to talk about how he hates both Bushes and complains about how Bush stole the 2000 electioin.

I'm the same way, but i don't think anyone is going to argue that i only pay lip service to RKBA.

Liberal gun owners do exist.

Actually, he didn't say anything i don't agree with. (aside from the "not wanting to own a gun" thing...i want to own guns because their fun, though it saddens me that the world is so violent that i feel the need to have them for self protection)

seeker_two
December 17, 2003, 09:41 AM
Whenever Captain Picard would order Worf to "Fire at will," I always hoped he would phaser either Wheaton or Frakes (Will Riker)....:evil:

artherd
December 17, 2003, 10:02 AM
I enjoyed the later developments of the Wesley character. Though he was a bit of a whiner in the begining :)

He's got his own little thing going on, and I don't nessicarily agree with everything he has to say. Some of it is intresting though. I'm for the death penalty in principle, but not for it's current (corrupt) incarnation. And I of course DO personally chose to own a gun :)

Though like him I have to say, it does sadden me a little that we live in a world where we do need them.

I would like to see a nation of gunowners (as in; honorable persons who take active steps to protect and provide for themselves and their loved ones), who never have to use them (at least against each other, they're good food-getters too!)

Mark Tyson
December 17, 2003, 10:40 AM
I'm not interested in owning a gun, and wish we didn't live in a world where they were necessary.

Here's the operative phrase. He doesn't like them personally and has no personal stake in their being legal.

Furthermore he thinks that they're a necessary evil. This implies that he thinks they're necessary either for individual self defense or defense from the government.

That's the impression I get anyway.

Owen
December 17, 2003, 11:34 AM
Hey, I'm a bona fide gun nut, carry regularly, and I oppose the death penalty, except in extreme circumstances (Sodamn Insane, Milosivic, f'rinstance)

I think you will find its relatively common among gun owners. Don't forget

Gun Owner <> Politically Conservative

Mute
December 17, 2003, 12:16 PM
An oft repeated phrase from Star Trek TNG viewers:

"Wesley must die!"

Justin
December 17, 2003, 01:41 PM
I know quite a few gun owners who don't believe that the state has the right to kill someone after the fact.

As to Wheaton's website, you guys really aren't saying anything he hasn't already talked about or heard. He's well aware of the fact that he played probably the most hated character in all of Trekdom. He's got some rather interesting essays and thoughts on being a kid growing up in Hollywood.


Even despite the fact that I vehemently disagree with his politics (C'mon Wes, how can you honestly support a political party that
called for banning dihydrogen Monoxide (http://www.junkscience.com/oct01/NZ-GreenBans.htm)!) He generally seems more articulate and far less offensive than a lot of other artsy types.

Besides, spending time bashing someone who's views on the RKBA are neutral is really kind of dumb.

Bill Hook
December 17, 2003, 01:49 PM
Personally, I don't care what his views are, since A) he's only an actor and B) not a very good or particularly likeable one at that and C) any attention at all is more attention than he's been getting for the past nearly 10 years.

Sunray
December 17, 2003, 01:56 PM
Who cares what a 20 something has been says?

Don Gwinn
December 17, 2003, 02:02 PM
I hated Wesley Crusher, too, but not as much as his mommy.

Wheaton, on the other hand, seems to have a pretty good head on his shoulders for a "child star." Seems to have come to terms with fame, infamy, and the amazing phenomenon of people who still hate you after you tell them you bear no ill will.

Justin
December 17, 2003, 02:33 PM
Wow Sunray, way to go.

I'm glad to know that anything that I say or think, no matter how well thought-out is only worthy of dismissal simply because of my age.

:rolleyes:

But I suppose I should let it go, seeing as anyone over 30 obviously has Alzheimers.

:neener:

Azrael256
December 17, 2003, 04:19 PM
Well, I'm certainly glad that we've all been enlightened by Mr. Wheaton. I don't know if I could have gotten through another day without his amazing insights. Perhaps next we'll hear from the guy who played Steve Urkel, or maybe that guy from Empty Nest. Oh, what tomorrow may bring...

seeker_two
December 17, 2003, 04:32 PM
Even despite the fact that I vehemently disagree with his politics (C'mon Wes, how can you honestly support a political party that called for banning dihydrogen Monoxide!)

:what:

Great quote, Justin....:cool:

But I suppose I should let it go, seeing as anyone over 30 obviously has Alzheimers.

Why else do you think that you're not supposed to trust anyone over thirty, man?... http://www.smilies.okipages.com/s/contrib/ed/pimp.gif

BryanP
December 17, 2003, 05:06 PM
I've chatted with him once or twice. He's a nice enough guy. He took a lot of flak over the Wesley Crusher character and now wishes he'd been grown up enough to take it all in stride. As he pointed out once "Just exactly how much influence do you think a 12 year old had on script writing?" Bashing him for his viewpoints is one thing, but just because you didn't like the Wesley character is silly.

You can find some interesting reading in his FAQ. (http://www.wilwheaton.net/faq.php)

clubsoda22
December 17, 2003, 11:08 PM
Who cares what a 20 something has been says?

Wow, that's insulting, but given that i'm 18 you probably don't care what i have to say either.

Anyway, he's in his thirties.

WonderNine
December 17, 2003, 11:33 PM
Wil Wheaton is a success! (http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=972) :cool:

Stevie-Ray
December 17, 2003, 11:41 PM
For cryin out loud, will you guys read where Sunray's quote says has been? If you are not HAS BEENS quit having such guilty consciences!

BHPshooter
December 18, 2003, 12:31 AM
This thread looks pretty well taken care of, so I'll just interject my favorite quote from the Star Trek show, by Capt. Picard: "Shut up, Wesley!"

Carry on.

Wes

LifeNRA
December 18, 2003, 01:13 AM
In the Next Generation series he always reminded me of John Boy Walton. John Boy in space :barf: .

Moparmike
December 18, 2003, 10:23 AM
W(ho)TF cares about what Weasely Crusher's opinion of politics is? I lost all respect for him (which wasnt much) when Ashley Judd was trying to get in his pants in that "take over the ship by getting the crew hooked on a game" episode. SHE WANTED HIM!!!! SHE ALMOST JUMPED HIM FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

Now, do I hold any ill will against him? No.

Skunkabilly
December 19, 2003, 01:48 AM
Wasn't he the guy in Toy Soldiers who snatched an MP5K only to get mowed down?

45 Long Slide
December 19, 2003, 06:59 PM
Wesley then and now is soft.

His comments show how much of a tool he really is.:barf:

WonderNine
December 19, 2003, 07:29 PM
Wasn't he the guy in Toy Soldiers who snatched an MP5K only to get mowed down?

I thought it was an UZI he snatched right before he gets pwned.

MicroBalrog
December 19, 2003, 07:32 PM
" Now, if I had my druthers (I think I left my druthers on the bus), I'd have the Libertarians as a third party, but when you're drowning, you don't question the life preserver, you know?"


I can live with that.

Go Wheaton!

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