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FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 12:45 PM
Seeing as everyone is putting up game camera pics I decided to dig one out of the archives.

Bobcat? Panther? Chubacabra?

For reference, the salt lick it's creeping up on is a 50 lb. salt block that is almost 12" tall.

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shaggy430
October 20, 2010, 12:56 PM
It is Scuzzlebutt. I can see the Patrick Duffy leg.

wankerjake
October 20, 2010, 12:56 PM
I think it's a weird picture of a bobcat. Cat, and looks like bobcat markings on the inner leg. Looks like a short tail.

jimmyraythomason
October 20, 2010, 01:12 PM
I blew it up 400% and agree with wankerjake. Bobcat.

Cosmoline
October 20, 2010, 01:26 PM
Moving like a cat, that's for sure. And it's head is too small in relation to its body to be a little domestic cat.

FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 01:31 PM
It's not domestic. Like I said, that salt block is almost 12" tall. That would be one BIG domestic cat.

A and O
October 20, 2010, 01:36 PM
Bobcat for certain. They are more common here than domestic cats because they tend to eat the domestic cats. Yeah, I live in a food chain kinda town.

CoRoMo
October 20, 2010, 01:36 PM
Wolverine?
Aardvark?

I can't see a whole heckava lot of that thing.

seal
October 20, 2010, 01:36 PM
bob cat for 500 alex

Russ Jackson
October 20, 2010, 01:37 PM
Badger?...Russ

azar
October 20, 2010, 01:40 PM
The body build is wrong to be a bobcat. Plus, the critter looks too large and the fur is too fine looking, not shaggy enough. I'm no expert but I'd say it's a juvenile mountain lion. To me, it looks like the tail wraps wraps around the right leg and comes up along side the animal. Plus, mountain lions have tail and leg markings in their youth. The tail rings disappear around 9 months and the leg markings disappear after about 2 1/2 years. Which to me says, this is a juvenile mountain lion less than 2 1/2 years old.

"Mountain lion kittens are born buff, spotted with black, and with dark rings on their tails and legs. Spots fade to light brown by 9 months of age and completely disappear by 18 months of age. Tail rings usually disappear by 9 months. Leg bars remain until about 2.5 years of age. Each of these markings can provide clues to a mountain lionís age."

From http://www.mdc.missouri.gov/discover-nature/wildlife-sightings/mountain-lions/description-signs

jimmyraythomason
October 20, 2010, 01:44 PM
In the blown up pic the bobcat's tail is around the backside of the animal(2 of the rings are visible). As to the hair being too smooth,this is a warm climate,animal hair IS much less shaggy than in cooler climes

wankerjake
October 20, 2010, 01:52 PM
To me, it looks like the tail wraps wraps around the right leg and comes up along side the animal.
I think it's taking a step and that's the foot you see. I don't know it looks like I can see the short tail in its entirety with a black tip, which looks like a bobcat tail...
It's in an awkward stance, the hind end is raised a bit I think it was taking a step and the camera just had trouble with it so it's blurry and the shape distorted. It's a good sized bobcat, but I'm pretty sure it's a bobcat that the camera just had trouble capturing.

FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 01:56 PM
To me, it looks like the tail wraps wraps around the right leg and comes up along side the animal. Plus, mountain lions have tail and leg markings in their youth.

When I first started showing this picture to friends they were split down the middle. Half thought it was an extremely large bobcat, other figured it was a juvenile panther (this is Florida).

I'm split down the middle myself. To me, the leg markings scream juvie panther, however I don't see the tail wrapping around its right side. I see it caught mid-stride with its right hind leg in the air.

If that's not its tail it's a bobcat but then why doesn't it have the markings down the sides? And that thing is huge by bobcat standards in any section of the U.S.

If it's a panther where is it's tail? That could be its tail it might be its leg. It's hard to tell and I wish I had higher resolution cameras.

Here is a bobcat for comparison which probably won't help decide.

CoRoMo
October 20, 2010, 02:01 PM
I still say wolverine.

But maybe Cyclops, Iceman, or Professor Xavier himself. You never know. Definitely not the Silver Surfer.

jimmyraythomason
October 20, 2010, 02:04 PM
The magnified pic clearly shows the tail curling to the other side of the cat. There are 3 rings instead of 2 visible on the tail. What appears to be a long tail in front of the cat is the right leg in motion. Click on the pic then look in the lower right of the computer screen(at least that is where it is on mine) find the magnifying glass and click on the highest magnification,400% on mine. Many of the animal's details will become evident.

wombat13
October 20, 2010, 02:21 PM
I'm with azar. It is a florida panther. The proportions are wrong for it to be a bobcat. Compare the two photos posted. A bobcat is not as long from shoulder to rump as the mystery cat.

desidog
October 20, 2010, 02:31 PM
Here it is cropped and blown up a bit; if the block is 1' high, then about 2' at the shoulder is a big bobcat; but the juvenile puma argument is just as valid. Need more resolution...
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1408/beastin.jpg
i'm going with Werecat.

FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 02:45 PM
With that picture blown up I'm going to have to go with big bobcat.

Now you can see the markings on the legs and on its head between its eyes.

Or this is what you get when a bobcat and panther mate.

Justin Holder
October 20, 2010, 03:22 PM
There is no doubt, it is a bobcat.

A and O
October 20, 2010, 03:29 PM
I'm with Justin on this. The head/face say BOBCAT. The body however is not saying that so clearly to me. In my area Bobcats and mountain Lions are seen commonly. I have to leave it as a Bobcat.

srkavanagh6621
October 20, 2010, 03:35 PM
there is no doubt its a bobcat! look at the markings on the inner leg like many ppl have already said. In some trail cams pictures can get distorted but they markings are a sure give a way for a bobcat. Plus you can see the same marking on its SHORT tail.

FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 03:49 PM
So I took the blown up picture desidog put up and adjusted some of the levels. The markings on it's side are more apparent now. I'm red-green color blind so I couldn't see them until I adjusted the levels of the picture.

Definately a bobcat.

Stand by. I have another one coming...

KodiakBeer
October 20, 2010, 04:11 PM
Yeah, the Florida bobcat (L. rufus floridanus) doesn't have the pronounced markings found on other cats. The spots are rather subdued.

FLAvalanche
October 20, 2010, 04:13 PM
This one's definately a Chupacabra.

wankerjake
October 21, 2010, 03:03 AM
That one is hard to see. Kinda looks like a coyote, kinda looks like a deer. I'm leaning towards deer but...somebody should make it better and post it so we can have a better look:)

I think el chupacabra is scarce back east so I'm ruling that out for now. Now if that were taken out here in southern AZ...maybe:p

FLAvalanche
October 21, 2010, 08:15 AM
It's a coyote.

I gotta find the picture of the jaguarundi I happened to catch. I doubt anyone would have figured that one out. Everyone says they don't exist in Florida but a small population was released in the '40s.

jimmyraythomason
October 21, 2010, 09:13 AM
I gotta find the picture of the jaguarundi I happened to catch. .... Everyone says they don't exist in Florida They say the same about Alabama but they exist here as well.

Uncle Mike
October 21, 2010, 02:59 PM
Javelina....

Yup, my guess is a Javelina.

usmc1371
October 21, 2010, 02:59 PM
Pretty sure it's Manbearpig.

Cosmoline
October 21, 2010, 03:22 PM
Looks like a fox to me.

jimmyraythomason
October 21, 2010, 03:29 PM
I'm pretty sure that last one is a coyote.

MrWesson
October 21, 2010, 04:42 PM
I would guess the first one as a bobcat because Florida panthers are very rare in southwest Florida.

FLAvalanche
October 21, 2010, 04:56 PM
I would guess the first one as a bobcat because Florida panthers are very rare in southwest Florida.

Not really, they're making a half decent come back. I do have a panther in my hunting area as the neighbor has seen it numerous times. Mom and Dad live up the road in Arcadia and had one in their back yard too. Seems like one gets run over in Naples every month.

tango2echo
October 22, 2010, 01:37 AM
If that is a Bobcat, then it is one HUGE Bobcat. I guided in Northern Ontario for alot of years, and have trapped Bobbys in NC/SC/GA and have never seen one go over 2ft tall at the sholder. I killed a very old and fat Tom in Ontario that weighed 41# and it wasn't close to that tall and long as the one in the picture.

gallo
October 22, 2010, 02:12 AM
You have no choice but to shoot it to find out.

RonDeer10mm
November 20, 2010, 07:21 PM
NO NO NO ... you're all wrong its a Red fronted lemur:p

The Bushmaster
November 21, 2010, 12:26 PM
The neighborhood dog...Or mutt...

FLAvalanche
November 22, 2010, 10:57 AM
There is a reason there are coyotes and panthers in this particular area. The one house that butts up to this property is owned by an older couple who raise yip dogs. I'm not sure of the breed, it's one of the small lap dogs that don't ever shut up and they have dozens of them.

They have a good fence but the constant yipping draws in the predators.

JDMorris
November 22, 2010, 12:04 PM
its a fat cougar...
who likes those?

FlyinBryan
November 23, 2010, 01:07 AM
its a bobcat, and a big one.

FlyinBryan
November 23, 2010, 01:12 AM
Looks like a fox to me.

foxes have much bigger tongues that always hang out

http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv162/flyinbryan_photos/foxwindow.jpg

Kernel
November 23, 2010, 07:25 PM
Bob cat. 100%. The black fur on the inside of the front leg is a typical pattern.

The-Reaver
February 10, 2011, 08:50 PM
Easy, its a coon. As soon as I seen the picture I knew exactly what it was.

jimmyraythomason
February 10, 2011, 08:57 PM
Easy, its a coon. As soon as I seen the picture I knew exactly what it was.
Sorry but there is no picture of a coon in this thread.

Mitch from LA
February 10, 2011, 11:15 PM
Pretty clearly a bobcat

husker
February 10, 2011, 11:31 PM
Its a zoo runaway Hyena :-)

jimmyraythomason
February 11, 2011, 08:53 AM
Pretty clearly a bobcat Absolutely.

Seb55
February 11, 2011, 11:04 AM
If that's a bobcat, it's huge. The markings on the face and leg look like a bobcat though. You Florida hunters and taxidermists probably have a more accurate answer.

jimmyraythomason
February 11, 2011, 11:28 AM
If that's a bobcat, it's huge. It is definitely a bobcat and YES Southern bobs do get very big!

DammitBoy
February 11, 2011, 11:37 AM
it's a bobpanthercat

RinkRat
February 14, 2011, 03:03 AM
#1
http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn7868/dn7868-1_450.jpg


#2
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQOnhnyUgfJcE4wr8AE-UyCpYB4GOmTT9gu-_QYiL-b8cHHr14


#3
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSw7ZkHRDrkZTi1czSznGIamytawGWh93m3gQRu_qGBVJwvs49C

Three Florida Panthers

Judging from size of the animal in your negative-reversed-infrared-night-image and salt-block referencing for a scale/sized reference, it would have to be a very large Bobcat!

The shape of the snout is hard to make-out but it looks like it COULD be a bit elongated for a cat and could possibly be shaped more like a canine/coyote??

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQaAwv9eO4NkXscgmKN3AngzRZFuOkeyl-DPqh2Q9NqngUnH9JQ_Q


The cheeks look kind ah puffy like a cat or a coyote. The makings on the inter-front leg look like a Panther's. But I don't think a coyote wouldn't have the humped back when stooping over where a cat would?? The tail could be hidden in the poor image quality or tucked over/under/around or where ever??

And without the skates and stick it defensively isn't a Florida Ice-Cat as shown in picture #3 :neener:

So I'm guessing it's a Florida Panther. :rolleyes:

RinkRat
February 14, 2011, 03:24 AM
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThC8zNJlCdpUQDhW92O5lqRGMXIOQ8hS6QmBxDa7zvrAb66lhTQA

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Puma_yaguarondi.jpg/220px-Puma_yaguarondi.jpg

Two pictures of a Jaguarundi. But they are about the size of a Bobcat so I doubt that's what it is. They haven't really been sighted in Florida since the late 70's, and they travel more during the day then at night.

FLAvalanche
February 14, 2011, 10:29 AM
They haven't really been sighted in Florida since the late 70's,

They've been sighted regularly in this area. I've personally seen two in the last 10 years, one within the past couple of months.

LiENUS
February 15, 2011, 01:19 AM
I looked at the original picture and it didn't scream bobcat to me at all.
I'm going with the florida ice-cat as shown in RinkRat's Picture #3

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