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MrIzhevsk
October 20, 2010, 12:36 PM
Hey all,

I've recently been doing some reading into the P99 platform. It looks like a solid weapon with good ergo but I've noticed that I don't hear much about them here. Is that because they are very reliable and nobody has problems to post about? Or does nobody own one to post experiences about? I'm thinking about getting the p99c because I have a fullsize handgun already.

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Shipwreck
October 20, 2010, 01:17 PM
Go check out the Walther Forum:

http://www.waltherforum.com/

Its been debated tons of times on the Walther Forum, but S&W imports the guns for Walther into the uSA. Between the two companies, they do a terrible job of advertising. And, S&W's priorities are likely with their own guns.

I have owned several P99s over the years. Great guns. And, definetly underrated. NEVER had a jam out of any of them.

nalioth
October 20, 2010, 02:59 PM
Great guns. And, definetly underrated. NEVER had a jam out of any of them.Agreed. One of the hidden jewels out there.

DAdams
October 20, 2010, 03:06 PM
One of the better P99 reviews.


http://forum.pafoa.org/general-2/9149-walther-p99-review.html


Don't forget to go to the Walther website>

http://www.waltherforums.com/

You will find that the Walthers are a bit more money than many want to spend, although they are not HK or high end SIG prices. They do tend to run more than the Springfield XD, Glock or S&W M&P lineups.

Ergonomically nothing fit me better and I tried them all.
I have a P99 AS full size in .40.

breacher
October 20, 2010, 03:25 PM
I had a P99 AS in 40 for awhile. In SA mode I could hit little 6 in. steel plates at 75 yds with more regularity than my Glock or Steyr. It was 100% reliable as well. Had nice Mepro night sights.

The down side was it was very light (lighter than a Glock on my digital scale) and had a higher bore axis. Combat style speed shooting was a little slower due to the snappy recoil. If I ever pick up another I'd probably go 9mm instead of 40.

Mag baseplates have a reputation for breaking. Be careful where you drop them.

MrIzhevsk
October 20, 2010, 03:38 PM
There is a thread also currently going about a frame cracking I noticed. The OP of that thread mentioned that if he sent it back he's worried that S&W/Walther will send him back a new frame that isn't the same design as his original.

Did something change throughout the life so far of this pistol's design?

Magoo
October 20, 2010, 03:48 PM
Off the top of my head I know the trigger guard changed over the years. Early models had a "speed bump" in the inside bottom of the guard.
I've got a P99 DAO in .40 and it has been 100%.

Shipwreck
October 20, 2010, 04:37 PM
There have been 2 recent frame breakage threads. I have been a fanatical P99 fan since 2005. I have been on all the various gun forums since 2005 as well. I will say that these threads are unusual. I've seen less than a handful of frame crack threads over the years..

And, there are many more glock threads about broken frames I have seen over the years.

I personally would not worry about this. Eventually, it will pop up for probably every polymer handgun.

jyo
October 20, 2010, 04:44 PM
My brother has a P99 in 9mm and other than a slightly "crunchy" single-action release, this pistol is a highly accurate and reliable pistol---I have shot it many times. I recently picked up a used (very nice) S&W SW99 pistol in .45 ACP and this has been reliable and accurate gun with a nicer trigger then the Walther version. For those who don't know, the SW series was produced by Walther (frame) and S&W (slide, barrel, etc.) and were made in 9mm, .40 and .45. These were dropped after S&W came out with their M&P series pistols. The S&W SW pistols can often be found used at very good prices.

fastbolt
October 20, 2010, 07:32 PM
I've always considered the 99 series to be a very good quality, reliable service-type pistol which has been somewhat under-rated in this country.

For whatever reason, Walther simply doesn't seem that interested in aggressively advertising the model line (which is imported for them by S&W). They do have a lot of activity when it comes to LE/Gov/Mil sales outside of the US, though. Maybe that's where they prefer to focus their attention and interest. (As opposed to Glock, for example, which we were told during my last armorer class receives 80% of its total sales and business from the US.)

I'm probably somewhat biased in my appreciation of the 99 series due to having carried an issued SW9940 for a few years, owning a similar SW9940 and a SW999c, and also having been to 3 SW99 armorer classes over the last 10 years.

Yes, there have been some revisions and changes in the 99 series as time has passed, including in the frame. That can pretty much be said for all the major firearms manufacturers.

I've handled a SW999 that experienced a cracked frame due to an ammunition "over pressure event" (case head blowout), and I've been told of another one occurring at another agency. The cause of that other cracked frame was considered to have been a barrel obstruction unnoticed by the shooter (SW9940) which resulted in the predictable over-pressure event. The crack wasn't easily visible, but each time the gun was fired the frame flexed at the crack and pinched the shooter's hand, causing him to eventually bring it to someone's attention.

Plastic frames are not metal ... obviously. They can chip, crack or break if dropped (especially in very cold environments) and they can't be expected to withstand the forces which develop in over-pressure events in the same manner as steel or aluminum frames. Big surprise.

I've fired more than 10,000 rounds through my SW999c (9mm compact in the AS, or traditional double action model), and not quite that many through my personally-owned SW9940. I've fired many thousands of rounds through my issued SW9940 and some other training SW9940 guns.

A friend has 3 SW99's through which he's fired many, many thousands of rounds. His pair of full-size SW99's have fired more than 55K+ each last time I checked with him. His newer SW9940c has only seen several thousand rounds. I keep him supplied with recoil, striker & mag springs. ;)

Given my druthers, I prefer the 99 series chambered in 9mm, whether it's the Walther or licensed SW99/990L version. (Which is the same way I feel toward Glocks.)

I've had to repair a number of different SW99/P99's due to various minor issues ... bent slide stop lever springs, broken ejectors, weakened extractor springs, damaged rear sights (and/or sight base plunger), cracked slide end cap, etc.

FWIW, in the SW99/990L's the frame and frame parts are made by Walther, and the slide & barrel are made by S&W. (Meaning that except for the slide and barrel, everything else in the SW99/990L slides - striker assembly, extractor, sights, decocking button, etc - is made by Walther. The magazines are made for both company's models by Mec-Gar.

The only thing maybe a little disappointing about the P99 is that Walther only offers a 1-year warranty. S&W offered their lifetime warranty on the SW99/990L's, including the Walther-made parts. Go figure.

Walther parts can be expensive. For example, if you experience a broken ejector (which is molded into the housing block), the sear housing block has to be replaced, and if it isn't covered by a warranty period the retail cost of the sear housing is approx $100 (plus labor, tax & any shipping).

The newer P99's have some nice features not seen in the earlier models. If I hadn't been able to buy my SW999c for less than the Walther P99 9c AS, I'd have happily bought the Walther compact.

The P99 compact is a nicely balanced compact pistol, not much larger than a G26.

Good gun.

Just my thoughts.

BleysAhrens
January 27, 2011, 09:46 PM
:what:Okay, this is the first I have heard, but where can I get a .357 sig barrel for my .40 P99?:what:

rooster59
January 27, 2011, 10:02 PM
Fastbolt,

Do you know if a SW99 (S&W made) barrel works in a P99 (Walther made) slide?

40 s&w cal.

My P99 is the most reliable auto I've shot. Period.


Thanks for any help.

nalioth
January 28, 2011, 12:27 AM
Okay, this is the first I have heard, but where can I get a .357 sig barrel for my .40 P99?For safety reasons, you'd probably want to go the other way (get a .40 S&W barrel for your factory-produced .357 Sig P99).

HM2PAC
January 28, 2011, 08:55 AM
nalioth,

On the Walther website, they do not list any factory chamberings in .357SIG.

nalioth
January 28, 2011, 09:03 AM
On the Walther website, they do not list any factory chamberings in .357SIG. . . . then I expect some research is in order prior to dropping a .357 Sig barrel into a pistol designed for .40 S&W or 9mm.

PabloJ
January 28, 2011, 09:11 AM
I try to save money by looking for second hand guns. I compared S&W99 in .45 and 9 to Walther P99. I liked shaping of the slide on S&W little better. I would not mind using any of the three but I walked out with little used S&W 457 instead. Handgun is just a tool to me and that one was less expensive then the model 99.

2WheelsGood
January 28, 2011, 09:21 AM
I had a P99. Only one complaint. I had a P99QA. The trigger is MUCH better on the P99AS. If I had gotten the AS originally, I'd still have it. I'll be interested to see what the PPQ is like once it's released.

I also have a PPS, and I don't think there's anything better on the market in that category. Walther's guns - minus the P22, perhaps - are extremely well made and should easily last a lifetime. Actually, I have P22 as well, and for what it is I'm quite happy.

DAdams
January 28, 2011, 01:29 PM
The PPQ is out and should be in stores soon. It really doesn't do much for me. I think the prior design looks better. Not sure what the interanals are all about or if the accuracy is improved.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/19/walther-ppq-pistol/

In the interim I recently saw some very aggressive prices for some models of P99s on Bud's sight. Closeouts?

Compact AS 9 or 40 for $573 is pretty strong. They were about $100 more a year ago and difficult to find.

I think I am sticking to the M&Ps for now though. Higher round count, better warranty, Pro Series available, Apex kits, CT Grips from S&W for about $200.

fastbolt
January 28, 2011, 02:19 PM
I've never tried switching out the barrels from one to the other.

Since I maintain agency weapons or personally-owned weapons used for off-duty/retirement purpose, I tend to prefer to avoid experimentation. Easiest to use the stock parts for their intended purpose.

I'd call and ask the repair techs at the Walther America part of the company to get an answer, if it were me ...

Phantom Captain
January 28, 2011, 02:31 PM
I have a Walther p99 AS in 9mm that I bought years ago. Bar none it's the best performing, most accurate pistol I own. Wouldn't ever even think of getting rid of it. Out of a few thousand rounds, at least, I can't think of any FTE or FTFs at all.

2WheelsGood
January 28, 2011, 02:32 PM
Compact AS 9 or 40 for $573 is pretty strong. They were about $100 more a year ago and difficult to find.
I would assume PPS sales have cut into P99 Compact sales significantly. Having a full-sized P99, it seemed kinda silly to me to get a P99 compact when the PPS was so much better specifically for carry.

Fargazer
January 28, 2011, 08:57 PM
Having a full-sized P99, it seemed kinda silly to me to get a P99 compact when the PPS was so much better specifically for carry.
I also have a P99, but chose a P99c over a PPS for personal carry. Each of them have their place:

PPS is slimmer than the P99c
P99c is lighter than the PPS
P99c holds more rounds than the PPS
If you also carry a P99

P99c can use P99 magazines
The P99c has the same trigger options (AS and QA) as the P99, while the PPS has a Glock style trigger feel


The PPS is a fine gun, and if gun thickness is an overriding concern it's the better choice. For me, I feel the P99c has enough advantages to choose it over the PPS. I also have had the luxury of dressing around my guns, rather than being forced to fit my gun to a specific style of clothing.

legion3
January 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
The P99 is a very popular cop pistol in Europe. After the recent purchases by different German police forces it is just about the most used pistol by Cops in Germany as well as much of Europe.

It is not a very popular pistol (by sales volume or ownership numbers) here in the states. As others have said Walther has never marketed their pistols very well. And they always struggle with makeing guns at affordable price points. Very few of Walthers products have been fantastic sellers (the PPK is an exception and the PPS may get there soon) but the P5 didn't take off until surplus retired cop guns came state side. The P88's never took off because of price...and so on.

Also the OEM Walther factory 9mm high cap mags can be hard to find and are costly when you do. You can use SW99 mags so that may not be a big issue but I'm not sure how easy to find those mags are.

Great gun, you can't go wrong.

BrainOnSigs
January 29, 2011, 07:36 PM
The P99AS in 9mm is the most under rated polymer handgun on the market. Fast (very quick trigger reset), accurate, great ergos......and sexy to boot. :D

Zebraranger
January 29, 2011, 10:15 PM
I have a first generation P99 .40 with the AS trigger and its been my favorite polymer handgun for a long time. Just about perfect ergonomics with an amazing buttery smooth trigger. This gun has sent many many rounds down range over the years and its performed flawlessly with no issues.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb204/zebraranger/Collection/DSC07385.jpg

chrome_austex
January 30, 2011, 12:50 AM
I've had a p99 AS 9mm for a couple of years now. I love it, great trigger, ergonomics, supurb build quality. All my mags are holding up nicely. Holsters are tricky to find, but theyre out there.

The only 9mm or 40 id consider trading it for would be a P99c AS :)

I try a glock now and then and their controls just dont compare. I think they're not as popular simply because there arent many on the shelves, the cost a bit more, theyre not american made, and the police here use glocks.

It really shines in practical IDPA type events, and the AS trigger is much more straight forward than it sounds. No regrets, and whats strange is i dont even desire other 9mms. The grass is greenest on _this_ side.

nalioth
January 30, 2011, 01:21 AM
Also the OEM Walther factory 9mm high cap magsThis is a contradiction of terms.

A factory designs a gun to hold the desired amount of rounds in the magazine. This is "designed capacity". Logically, a factory cannot produce "high capacity" magazines, as every mag they produce would be designed for the gun.

I so wish we could get the phrase "high cap mag" out of our lexicon, as its a political term and has no meaning outside of political circles.

Fishbed77
January 30, 2011, 01:24 AM
Standard-capacity mags (15-round) are not hard to find anymore!

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand.asp?ProductCode=MAGFA915

Yes - these have been confirmed by folks on the Walther forums to be the exact same Mec-Gar mags (aside from different labeling) as those that ship with the P99.

legion3
January 30, 2011, 06:19 AM
Well that good that high cap mags ;) can now be found :D

That can only help, even if only a little, the guns overall situation and acceptence in the states.

Airburst
January 30, 2011, 04:03 PM
I have a SW99 in each caliber, with the 40cal being my main carry gun. Excellent guns, very accurate and haven't experienced one problem with any of them. Prices are reasonable too.

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