Old U.S. Military guns. Where do they go?


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Lightsped
December 17, 2003, 12:45 PM
Where are all the thousands and thousands of Colt 1911s that were around and in use during the early 80s with the U.S Military before the M9?

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AJ Dual
December 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Some are just held in the armories, and thereoretically could be issued but most likely just waiting official word for one of the three following.

Some are legitamately worn out from use.

Some are scrapped.

Some are sold or given to friendly (for now) third world and second world militaries as aid.

Of course, sending them all to the CMP, so the taxpayers who've allready paid for them, could re-purchase them makes too much sense, and would "flood the streets with guns"... :rolleyes:

tcdrennen
December 17, 2003, 12:59 PM
Clinto started scrapping them, but I think that was stopped (after several tens of thousands were destroyed, IIRC.)

They're probably rusting in a pile at some DoD storage facility.:banghead: :cuss: :banghead:

fix
December 17, 2003, 01:09 PM
Clinton scrapped alot of M14s that would have been unsuitable for release through the CMP anyway. There are still many 1911s in inventory.

Sunray
December 17, 2003, 02:03 PM
I have a couple. Although I doubt they were ever issued to one of your guys. And no you can't have them back. Your lot gave them away in the first place so I'm keepin' mine. Ha!
Sooner or later non-released military firearms get sold or chopped. I've seen a picture of Chicago police dumping hundreds of firearms into the lake. Not a recent picture though. 20's or 30's vintage. Lots of trap door springfields, 1903's etc.

El Tejon
December 17, 2003, 02:07 PM
Sunray, you missed the Hoosier skin divers picking them up!:D

1911s went down to 'bama to see Cap'n Crunch. Couple of dealer used to sell the cut up ones as paper weights at places like Knob Creek. However, have reason to know some of the better ones were misplaced allegedly.

Crane is sitting on a mess of them. Not sure why--"shhh, the Navy doesn't know they are here; be quite, we may need them.":D

fix, I thought a lot of 14s went to the Baltics as Clinton wanted them out of the country so they could not be re-imported and be used to arm serfs?:confused:

fix
December 17, 2003, 02:16 PM
I thought a lot of 14s went to the Baltics as Clinton wanted them out of the country so they could not be re-imported and be used to arm serfs?

Don't know about that, but many had their receivers torched. I'm told that many of the parts have begun to trickle into circulation though. There are still alot of them in storage though, or at least there were in early 2000. My local NG unit had 23 on hand at one point, but the guys tell me now that there are only 16. No clue where the others went. Interestingly, they had M14s, grease guns, and garands (mostly Winchester) long after the M16A1s disappeared from their inventory. I'll have to swing by there this week and ask, but I believe the garands are all gone. I know the grease guns were all shipped out to be destroyed in the mid 90s. At one point in the early 90s they had a Singer Sewing Machine 1911 that somehow managed to avoid being...ahem...lost. All my attempts at bribery failed. No idea what happened to it.

El Tejon
December 17, 2003, 02:20 PM
fix, some 14s were sold to the po-po after the last Clinton "crime" bill permitted militree equipment to be sold to local po-po. Maybe that's where your armoury's weapons went?

Triad
December 17, 2003, 02:24 PM
I thought they were given to the police. I read somewhere that all they had to do was fill out a few reams worth of paperwork to get them.

Jeff White
December 17, 2003, 02:30 PM
There are a lot of Garands and M14s in the Guard to support the competitive marksmanship program and drill teams. The grease guns were probably BII on armored vehicles and weren't replaced until the M4 came into the system in quantity in 97.

We have sold (we actually gave the countries the money to buy them) M14s to Honduras, the Phillipines and various other countries. There are a lot of M14s being sold to local LE.

Jeff

CGofMP
December 17, 2003, 06:13 PM
A HUGE number of 1911's (most?) were sent to scrap. I have spoken to the man in charge of this operation (you'd know the name and be very surprised). I have verified this in a non-official way from witnesses. The numbers were staggering. And very unfortunate. Have spoken to a man who sent a SINGER 1911 down the line.... I had startd the process of getting a Freedom Of Information Act accounting of how many M14s, 1911, M1 Garand, and M16s had been chopped up but they were gonna charge me in excess of what I coudl afford to get this info to me so I did not do it.

As for M1's The CMP http://www.odcmp.com sells them. I strongly urge that everyone buy as many as they can before some future administration tries to kill the program - I believe Klinton tried to do this very thing and almost did. The more rifles that are out here the less likely that any repressive regieme will be able to get them all back and provide safety for a tyrant. (Save the tinfoil hat comments. - Rememeber Japan did not have plans to invade the mainland of the USA because there was "a rifle behind every blade of grass".)

I have a site on the M1 Garands that we got from the CMP. http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/ I invite you to stop by.

Also CMP is now selling delinked machinegun ammo in 30-06 at a decent price.

I have heard that any full auto is pretty much scrapped. There is no hope of civilians getting them so these weapons are chopped up.

..............http://www.memorableplaces.com/m1garand/atrainwreck.jpg

What a shame that the US Government will only trust its citizens when they are in uniform and working directly for the government itself.

Wait.. aren't WE supposed to be the government?

Charles

fix
December 17, 2003, 06:19 PM
Just talked to someone and confirmed that the "missing" M14s mentioned earlier were in fact sold to a local LE agency.

Blain
December 17, 2003, 07:42 PM
Why oh why out of all the guns did Clinton pick the M14??? :confused: :fire: :cuss: :banghead: :banghead:

w00dg0blin
December 17, 2003, 09:51 PM
Years ago you could by guns from the government in lots. I assume through the normal DRMO channels. DRMO also gives alot of stuff to law enforcement agencies. Basically LEs get first crack at stuff. Any fully automatics get chopped up. In fact most all of obsolete and replaced govt. firearms get chopped up. I'm a police officer for a Federal installation and all of our old firearms go to NSWC Crane Indiana http://www.crane.navy.mil/whatwedo/smallarms.asp?bhcp=1

In fact we just sent a batch of Mossberg M500 pump shotguns there to get chopped up. I would have loved to have gotten one of them but you'd might as well wish for the moon. One of our officers use to work there years ago and he said he watch a batch of unissued Thompson subguns get chopped up. Heavy security so there is no chance of pilfering one of the floor.

Such a shame.

dukeofurl
December 17, 2003, 09:55 PM
Liberals have them melted down into rape whistles.

killermarmot
December 18, 2003, 12:10 AM
my buddy is California Highway Patrol and every car up here (Sonoma County) is equiped with a rebuilt M-16. one of the old ones with the triangle forearm and teh big ole forward assit. I asked if he'd bring it to the range with us so i could fire it but since it is California they are aparently pretty strict about the use of em, ugh being taken over by socialists.

WonderNine
December 18, 2003, 12:16 AM
One of our officers use to work there years ago and he said he watch a batch of unissued Thompson subguns get chopped up.

:( :( :( :fire:

Call me criminal, but I probably would have smuggled them out of their myself! At the very least give them to a museum for jebus sake! :fire:

Willard
December 18, 2003, 10:44 AM
Museums get what they want, but really, how many does the entire Army museum system need of each model? Sadly. I'd LOVE to see them sold to good citizens (like me). I saw a museum arms room that had 10 MP-38's and 40's, which was well over the one or two they'd really need for display. They do trade weapons among themselves, though.

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