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StogieC
October 22, 2010, 07:46 AM
Poll and News, Orlando Sentinel - Movement under way to let Floridians openly tote...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/os-mike-thomas-open-carry-102110-20101020,0,7619137.column

So you are walking down Park Avenue, window shopping for all the stuff you once could afford, and suddenly coming down the sidewalk you see three gunslingers.

It's like the Wild West except they're drinking lattes, and instead of six-shooters, they have Glocks clipped to their matching Gucci belts.

Would this bother you?

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StogieC
October 22, 2010, 07:47 AM
Yesterday's poll is still running and is at 75% in favor of open carry with 2100 votes.

The paper has started a NEW POLL TODAY!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-poll-florida-handgun-owners-carry-weapons-102110,0,1636061,post.poll

Only 70 votes on the new poll so far.

billybob44
October 24, 2010, 11:08 PM
Yesterday's poll is still running and is at 75% in favor of open carry with 2100 votes.

The paper has started a NEW POLL TODAY!
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-poll-florida-handgun-owners-carry-weapons-102110,0,1636061,post.poll

Only 70 votes on the new poll so far.
This one's currently at 91% IN favor of open carry. Should be food for thought??

Sevenfaces
October 25, 2010, 02:06 AM
While I will never actively vote against firearm friendly laws, I, as a Florida resident, would not open carry, ever. IMO the true advantage of carrying, is the concealed part. I feel like openly revealing that you are armed will invite more trouble than it would deter. In fact I am concerned that it would cause such an increase in firearm related legal issues that eventually anti-gun legislation would ultimately be born from it.

I absolutely do not intend to demean anyone's preferred method of carrying, I am simply offering my opinion on the subject.

cambeul41
October 25, 2010, 07:47 AM
I have no desire to open carry, but Mainsail has a good argument.

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-carry-discussion/7230-open-carry-argument.html

Sevenfaces
October 25, 2010, 12:42 PM
I have no desire to open carry, but Mainsail has a good argument.

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/open-carry-discussion/7230-open-carry-argument.html
I think he made some valid points, but when he refutes the downsides of OC, he does so with only a narrow and certain viewpoint. For example, he claims that if he was Open Carrying in a 7-11 and a robber came in, the robber would just abort the robbery because he knew the cops would more actively pursue him if he shot the man carrying, than if he just robbed the store. He also offers other highly structured and one dimensional scenarios for the other reasons OC objectors cite.

I can tell you that if I were a criminal looking to rob joe blow walking down an alleyway, and I saw that he was armed, instead of just walking up with my piece of re-bar and demanding money, I would just crack him in the head first, then take the gun, and any money he had, and use that to further my crime spree. I can also tell you that if I was a career criminal and about to rob a 7-11 and I saw a person with a gun on their hip, my first reaction would be "COP!" and if I was in a 3 strikes state, you better believe that I'd shoot them.

The critical flaw in his arguments is he doesn't give the violent, or drug addled criminal a wide enough berth. while its true many criminals are cowardly and will shy away from a confrontation where they have no advantage, others due to agressiveness, or altered state of mind (drugs, mental illness, whatever) will not, or will possibly be even more inclined to pursue a confrontation.

wh!plash
October 25, 2010, 03:26 PM
I'm in FL too, and I just voted FOR in that poll.

Its not so much that I want to walk around with my holster sticking out there for all to see, its just that I don't want to have to put so much effort into keeping it completely concealed. Like wearing whatever I want and not worrying so much if it prints, or if the barrel of a 5" 1911 is visible past my shirt.

robhof
October 25, 2010, 04:18 PM
I was stationed at Homestead AFB in South Miami in the early 80's and carried my ROA open in a cowboy rig when I night fished. This was after my 1st fishing trip under a bridge and a group of latin yhugs were harassing some of the fishermen, until one reached into hos tackle box and pulled out a flare pistol and they ran. I was there for 4 years and fished regularly and only got harassed by the marine patrol, who stated that I was asking for trouble and my reply was that I was advertizing against trouble. I did see the thug:evil::evil::neener:s on a later day and upon seeing me stand and drop my hammer tie; they did a rapid retreat amid whistles and clapping from the other fishermen.

CapnMac
October 25, 2010, 04:28 PM
I changed my mind on open carry after Texas gained Concealed.
Used to be, everyone understood the "other legitimate sporting uses" part of the law. if you were on the Far-off River an hour past Nowhere out fishing, you could keep that K-22 or the like right out on your belt. But, not so much with the CHL.

The Sentinel (no surprise) casts it wrong. OC is not about strolling past Universal Orlando, it's about stopping at the bait shop on the way to some far off place. Or coming in after a long day poling for bonefish on the flats.

In Texas, it's about being being able to carry that .40 on your hip when you buy gas (since it's entirely possible that 12-15 javelina might object to your turkey hunting).

StogieC
October 26, 2010, 10:15 AM
The anti-gun nuts lost the last two polls so they changed the wording and started another! Hit it!

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/tuesday/sfl-open-carry-buzz-poll-10262010,0,6283214,post.poll

wh!plash
October 26, 2010, 10:20 AM
Jeez, talk about re-wording: "Now to just let them carry their guns openly and wave them at everybody? Are you nuts?"

I mean, thats not even a half-way valid argument. When was the last time you noticed a CCW holder 'waving it at everybody'?

StogieC
October 26, 2010, 12:39 PM
50%-50%

hit it

StogieC
October 26, 2010, 12:46 PM
Here are all three polls, look at the language changes.

1- http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/os-open-carry-gun-poll-10202010,0,5072916,post.poll
2- http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/os-poll-florida-handgun-owners-carry-weapons-102110,0,1636061,post.poll
3- http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/tuesday/sfl-open-carry-buzz-poll-10262010,0,6283214,post.poll

nigmalg
October 26, 2010, 06:47 PM
That has to be one of the most intellectually dishonest poll "options" I've seen from this paper. "...and wave them at everybody?".

StogieC
October 26, 2010, 06:57 PM
poll got hacked by the anti-gun nuts earlier. There is no text verification on this poll so someone spammed it with over 2000 false votes. :cuss:

wh!plash
October 26, 2010, 08:12 PM
Well their poll had the opposite effect here. I went out and updated my voter registration today and voted early for governor.

Hopefully we'll actually see open carry here in FL sometime in the near future.

nigmalg
October 26, 2010, 08:15 PM
Looks like the poll shifted back again. Funny how that works.

StogieC
October 26, 2010, 10:24 PM
They hacked it again.

nigmalg
October 27, 2010, 10:37 AM
The votes against open carry were doubled within an hour last night. I wonder who would even care to take the time to hack it. Oh well, maybe a email to sun-sentinel about the poor wording and fake voting abuse is appropriate at this point.

SKILCZ
October 28, 2010, 02:08 AM
Related poll we're losing:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/opinion/todaysbuzz/tuesday/sfl-open-carry-buzz-10262010,0,5659123.story

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